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On March 18 2017 07:38 Nevuk wrote:Couple of things which are somewhat minor : http://gizmodo.com/fbi-arrests-man-for-allegedly-sending-journalist-seizur-1793375081The man who caused Eichenwald to have a seizure due to a tweet has been arrested. Apparently, labeling the gif "You deserve to have a seizure for your postings" makes the question of intent pretty easy to answer. And Shep Smith has said that Fox News cannot confirm the report by Napolitano about wiretapping that Trump was referencing recently. Show nested quote +Fox News cannot confirm Judge Napolitano’s commentary. Fox News knows of no evidence of any kind that the now-President of the United States was surveilled at any time in any way. Full stop.
Sounds like he got a run-in with the internet trolls. Oof.
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On March 18 2017 08:01 Gahlo wrote:
Hah, even Fox is jumping the ship.
I'm glad that we have a president treating it like a news network. Maybe they'll finally realize that their actions have consequences, as a significant portion of the US takes it seriously instead of just thinking that it's an entertainment network. If every insane claim they make is immediately repeated by Trump, they'll probably back off a bit on the stupidity.
Bret Baier joins in as well “We love the judge, we love him here at Fox, but the Fox News division was never able to back up those claims and was never reported on this show.”
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I don't watch Fox, but I've heard they never got on this particular story, so it may be a stretch to say they are getting off. I think they kinda let AN do his own thing.
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Quick legal question here, how precisely do these executive order blocks work? Can every state court intervene and block an executive order and all other states have to follow suit? How long does this hold and does it directly go up to the supreme court? The structures seem confusing.
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On March 18 2017 09:51 Nyxisto wrote:
Quick legal question here, how precisely do these executive order blocks work? Can every state court intervene and block an executive order and all other states have to follow suit? How long does this hold and does it directly go up to the supreme court? The structures seem confusing.
our resident lawyers will have a more thorough and accurate answer, but for now:
technically it's not the "state" courts, but federal courts (of which there are a lot), there's some in each state, to handle federal matters that popup in that state.
any of the courts could block it, though the standards for blocking an executive order often aren't so easy to meet at the preliminary level.
the temporary blocks can be appealed to the appellate courts, and from there appealed to the supreme court.
generally speaking, the blocks hold until the underlying case has been heard and adjudicated.
if any court issues an injunction and the executive ignores it there'd be consequences from that court; other courts don't have to follow the ruling, but as a practical matter if there's an injunction it will likely mean the order is blocked everywhere. (i.e. it doesn't matter how many courts decline to issue injunctions as long as there's one that has).
I can elaborate somewhat more if you have more questions/need more clarification.
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On March 18 2017 07:24 Mohdoo wrote:
Its going to be very interesting to see if Trump's perspectives on trade and military independence ends up making Germany a world super power again. As an American, I honestly don't think I'd mind Germany replacing the US. But I do get the distinct feeling that Merkel was able to convey to Trump the fact that Germany stands to benefit a lot from the kinds of things Trump is hoping to do.
Germany/France taking a Spartan place in Europe would be very interesting.
I doubt that very much.
Mainly, because Merkel (and most germans from what i can tell) actually don't want that. Neither do i think other countries in europe would be thrilled if germany suddenly actively "takes the wheel". There's a lot of backwards thinking in europe in that regard.
Especially countries like poland, UK (where the "why did we fight ww2 if germany is still leading europe" sentiment is extremely strong) etc would rather have a fallout than accepting that merkel isn't hitler and germans aren't nazis anymore.
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On March 18 2017 04:05 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 03:50 LightSpectra wrote:On March 18 2017 03:40 Plansix wrote:On March 18 2017 03:06 LightSpectra wrote:
So now Breitbart and Drudge are held to the same standard as FOX and National Enquirer, how is that an improvement? I don’t believe the law I was talking about protects either of those. They have staff that post stories to their site(I’m not sure, but I don’t think drudge is user driven). Facebook, youtube and reddit are the sites it protects. They are immune to any liability created by someone posting purposely deceptive claims to their site, even if they profit from those claims. They can profit from the “Fake News” that knowingly posts false claims through ad sharing, but never face a legal claim for not putting in any effort to stop this stuff. The same applies to death threats or other acts of harassment. As long as they have a system in place, people have to go after the posters themselves. Even if we don’t know the posters name, which the website doesn’t’ have to provide and normally doesn’t collect(facebook being the exception). I would prefer all media companies be held to similar standards, and that includes facebook, youtube and reddit. Not exactly the same, but similar. So it sounds like this is a proposal exclusively to combat fake news, not to combat extremely biased, partisan propaganda. I'd say the latter is a bigger problem than the former, although admittedly that's just my perception. It is to combat the laissez faire relationship that the internet’s largest companies have with the information they provide. I only ask that youtube be held to the a similar standard as the shitty public television channel I interned at in highschool. That Facebook maybe think twice before letter software be their editor for everyone because it frees them of responsibility for what people see.
Those same laws would probably kill the Liquid forums. Just saying.
I mean, what standards are you talking about exactly? A responsibility to stop people from lying, and police all speech that anyone makes, is well beyond any liability in history.
The shitty public television channel you interned at produced the content itself, and broadcasted it. That's equivalent to a Youtube channel or a Facebook account, not the entirety of the platform. The cable/satellite companies sending the TV channels to houses certainly weren't liable for what was said on the TV channel, were they? Yet they were providing the platform, the medium, and the broadcast.
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Shit show of an Administration
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Who should be leading the Democrats right now?
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On March 18 2017 11:06 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 07:24 Mohdoo wrote:
Its going to be very interesting to see if Trump's perspectives on trade and military independence ends up making Germany a world super power again. As an American, I honestly don't think I'd mind Germany replacing the US. But I do get the distinct feeling that Merkel was able to convey to Trump the fact that Germany stands to benefit a lot from the kinds of things Trump is hoping to do.
Germany/France taking a Spartan place in Europe would be very interesting. I doubt that very much. Mainly, because Merkel (and most germans from what i can tell) actually don't want that. Neither do i think other countries in europe would be thrilled if germany suddenly actively "takes the wheel". There's a lot of backwards thinking in europe in that regard. Especially countries like poland, UK (where the "why did we fight ww2 if germany is still leading europe" sentiment is extremely strong) etc would rather have a fallout than accepting that merkel isn't hitler and germans aren't nazis anymore.
Or, you know - maybe no one wants be neighbor to a superpower because superpowers tend to fuck over everything? The German-victim complex really needs to go.
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This actually seems like a pretty important tweet coming from a former US attorney:
The Moreland Commission was an ethics probe in New York that the governor shut down when it was getting close to his office.
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Zurich15355 Posts
On March 18 2017 12:28 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 11:06 m4ini wrote:On March 18 2017 07:24 Mohdoo wrote:
Its going to be very interesting to see if Trump's perspectives on trade and military independence ends up making Germany a world super power again. As an American, I honestly don't think I'd mind Germany replacing the US. But I do get the distinct feeling that Merkel was able to convey to Trump the fact that Germany stands to benefit a lot from the kinds of things Trump is hoping to do.
Germany/France taking a Spartan place in Europe would be very interesting. I doubt that very much. Mainly, because Merkel (and most germans from what i can tell) actually don't want that. Neither do i think other countries in europe would be thrilled if germany suddenly actively "takes the wheel". There's a lot of backwards thinking in europe in that regard. Especially countries like poland, UK (where the "why did we fight ww2 if germany is still leading europe" sentiment is extremely strong) etc would rather have a fallout than accepting that merkel isn't hitler and germans aren't nazis anymore. Or, you know - maybe no one wants be neighbor to a superpower because superpowers tend to fuck over everything? The German-victim complex really needs to go.
Huh? Germans don't want to lead. A lot of countries also don't want Germany to lead. Where is a supposed German victim complex supposed to come in?
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This was then:
Trump said he would disown Obama’s “apology tour,” instead working to “proudly promote our system of government and our way of life as the best in the world – just like we did in our campaign against communism during the Cold War. We will show the whole world how proud we are to be American.”
This is now:
"White House officials have just had to apologize to the United Kingdom for smearing the British intelligence agency by making false statements"
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/17/opinions/trump-falsehoods-a-national-embarrassment-ghitis/index.html
Hillary isn't in jail. Mexico isn't paying for the wall. Trump admits his healthcare plan won't cover the people he said it would. He lied about not cutting Medicaid and now wants to cut it. He has lost twice in courts regarding his Muslim ban, after promising to win so much we would get sick of winning. And now is apologizing to other nation.
He isn't winning at all, and living in the heart of Trump country, people are dismayed.
I wonder how much longer this can go on.
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On March 18 2017 13:17 BronzeKnee wrote:This was then: Trump said he would disown Obama’s “apology tour,” instead working to “proudly promote our system of government and our way of life as the best in the world – just like we did in our campaign against communism during the Cold War. We will show the whole world how proud we are to be American.”This is now: "White House officials have just had to apologize to the United Kingdom for smearing the British intelligence agency by making false statements"http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/17/opinions/trump-falsehoods-a-national-embarrassment-ghitis/index.htmlHillary isn't in jail. Mexico isn't paying for the wall. Trump admits his healthcare plan won't cover the people he said it would. He lied about not cutting Medicaid and now wants to cut it. He has lost twice in courts regarding his Muslim ban, after promising to win so much we would get sick of winning. And now is apologizing to other nation. He isn't winning at all, and living in the heart of Trump country, people are dismayed. I wonder how much longer this can go on.
Dismayed at him or more like "The government isn't letting Trump do what he needs to do" type?
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On March 18 2017 12:50 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 12:28 Ghostcom wrote:On March 18 2017 11:06 m4ini wrote:On March 18 2017 07:24 Mohdoo wrote:
Its going to be very interesting to see if Trump's perspectives on trade and military independence ends up making Germany a world super power again. As an American, I honestly don't think I'd mind Germany replacing the US. But I do get the distinct feeling that Merkel was able to convey to Trump the fact that Germany stands to benefit a lot from the kinds of things Trump is hoping to do.
Germany/France taking a Spartan place in Europe would be very interesting. I doubt that very much. Mainly, because Merkel (and most germans from what i can tell) actually don't want that. Neither do i think other countries in europe would be thrilled if germany suddenly actively "takes the wheel". There's a lot of backwards thinking in europe in that regard. Especially countries like poland, UK (where the "why did we fight ww2 if germany is still leading europe" sentiment is extremely strong) etc would rather have a fallout than accepting that merkel isn't hitler and germans aren't nazis anymore. Or, you know - maybe no one wants be neighbor to a superpower because superpowers tend to fuck over everything? The German-victim complex really needs to go. Huh? Germans don't want to lead. A lot of countries also don't want Germany to lead. Where is a supposed German victim complex supposed to come in?
The reasons listed were "backwards thinking" or unwilling to accept "that merkel isn't hitler and germans aren't nazis anymore". There are plenty of valid reasons for why no one wants Germany as a superpower before you get to that part of the list - however, those quoted are the ones always brought up.
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On March 18 2017 13:23 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 13:17 BronzeKnee wrote:This was then: Trump said he would disown Obama’s “apology tour,” instead working to “proudly promote our system of government and our way of life as the best in the world – just like we did in our campaign against communism during the Cold War. We will show the whole world how proud we are to be American.”This is now: "White House officials have just had to apologize to the United Kingdom for smearing the British intelligence agency by making false statements"http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/17/opinions/trump-falsehoods-a-national-embarrassment-ghitis/index.htmlHillary isn't in jail. Mexico isn't paying for the wall. Trump admits his healthcare plan won't cover the people he said it would. He lied about not cutting Medicaid and now wants to cut it. He has lost twice in courts regarding his Muslim ban, after promising to win so much we would get sick of winning. And now is apologizing to other nation. He isn't winning at all, and living in the heart of Trump country, people are dismayed. I wonder how much longer this can go on. Dismayed at him or more like "The government isn't letting Trump do what he needs to do" type?
We watch Fox News like it is a religion... and the interview with Tucker Carlson shook a lot of people.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/16/14945030/trump-tucker-carlson-health-care
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I'd imagine it's quite simple really. Germany is a country that is terrified if itself. It's insists on NATO while doing very little to contribute.
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At least as of yesterday where I live in Trump country (Kentucky) my coworkers aren't really dismayed, they're just playing Rush Limbaugh at ever increasing volumes.
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United States43271 Posts
Germany was always going to dominate Europe, it's too big, too populous and too prosperous not to. The question of the 20th C was what the nature of that domination was going to be and how it could be reconciled into the great power system. The ultimate answer appears to have been through occupation by an external superpower, the denial of natural diplomatic rights such as a permanent UN security council seat when both the UK and France have them, denial of nuclear weapons, and forced integration into a European political and economic project pushing integration. The German engine has been harnessed, to an extent.
Ultimately I'd probably be fine with the EU emerging as a superpower with Germany at the fore. The de-Nazification of Germany and the experience of occupation, national division and reflection have made them a somewhat uniquely responsible state. Certainly I doubt the German equivalent of my apologism for my own national history would go down too well in German circles. Previously German success came at the expense of Anglo-French interests, now German success is European success.
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How about European countries collectively lead Europe, the US leads the US, Russia leads Russia, the African Union leads Africa, people in the Middle East find a way to get along... Why would any one nation have to be the dominant "leader" nation of anything besides itself, let alone the world? Lets move away from this ridiculous notion, for crying out loud.
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