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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On March 18 2017 04:25 Danglars wrote: Donna Brazil finally owns up to her part in the debate question leaks. Time article. could you specify and/or quote the part involved? I glanced through the link and most of it wasn't on that. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On March 18 2017 04:30 zlefin wrote: could you specify and/or quote the part involved? I glanced through the link and most of it wasn't on that. I mostly read how Russia was involved with DNC hacking, and chose to release certain emails which were she was pushing for Hillary to win. And that this hacking has undermined our Constitution and how we handle things in the US. That we should be calling for a separate independent investigation, and that the number of republicans calling for a separate investigation is really low. | ||
KwarK
United States42778 Posts
On March 18 2017 04:30 zlefin wrote: could you specify and/or quote the part involved? I glanced through the link and most of it wasn't on that. among the many things I did in my role as a Democratic operative and D.N.C. Vice Chair prior to assuming the interim D.N.C. Chair position was to share potential town hall topics with the Clinton campaign..... But sending those emails was a mistake I will forever regret. I suspect getting caught is what she actually regrets. If I had been given the opportunity to potentially shift the course of the election in Clinton's favour I probably would have done it too, and with a clean conscience. Too many people will suffer under the Trump regime to do otherwise. But she intervened incompetently, and probably ended up actually hurting Clinton by getting caught. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1537 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + By stealing all the DNC’s emails and then selectively releasing those few, the Russians made it look like I was in the tank for Secretary Clinton. Despite the strong, public support I received from top Sanders campaign aides in the wake of those leaks, the media narrative played out just as the Russians had hoped, leaving Sanders supporters understandably angry and sowing division in our ranks. In reality, not only was I not playing favorites, the more competitive and heated the primary got, the harder D.N.C. staff worked to be scrupulously fair and beyond reproach. In all the months the Russians monitored the D.N.C.’s email, they found just a handful of inappropriate emails, with no sign of anyone taking action to disadvantage the Sanders campaign. But the damage was done. Politics has never been considered a clean sport, but 2016 marked a new low | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12204 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
And that Putin dog thing was really pathetic. I think she's afraid of them because she was bitten by one at some point. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On March 18 2017 04:32 KwarK wrote: I suspect getting caught is what she actually regrets. If I had been given the opportunity to potentially shift the course of the election in Clinton's favour I probably would have done it too, and with a clean conscience. Too many people will suffer under the Trump regime to do otherwise. But she intervened incompetently, and probably ended up actually hurting Clinton by getting caught. Reading between the lines, sure you can argue the only thing she regrets is the truth got out. It was a pretty transparent affair of an election, between all the lies found out and leaks/hacks bringing out the truth. You got a full understanding of just the kind of man Trump was and just the kind of woman Clinton was, despite radically different efforts to portray something else. Also, what a dangerous justification based on future suffering. I'm no longer surprised by this line of ethical argument, but damn do y'all deserve Trump and more. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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KwarK
United States42778 Posts
On March 18 2017 04:53 Danglars wrote: Reading between the lines, sure you can argue the only thing she regrets is the truth got out. It was a pretty transparent affair of an election, between all the lies found out and leaks/hacks bringing out the truth. You got a full understanding of just the kind of man Trump was and just the kind of woman Clinton was, despite radically different efforts to portray something else. Also, what a dangerous justification based on future suffering. I'm no longer surprised by this line of ethical argument, but damn do y'all deserve Trump and more. Is there a conceivable democratic outcome so bad in an election so filled with intervention that you would be willing to give it one more nudge for the common good? If so, we simply disagree over our interpretations of Trump. If not, 1933 Germany? Obviously Trump isn't Hitler but if you agree that there is a justifiable scenario then at that point our only difference is interpretations of scenarios. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35154 Posts
On March 18 2017 05:00 Nevuk wrote: I fail to see how helping Hillary win the democratic nomination more easily would even in theory have helped prevent a Trump presidency. If Hillary had really wanted to stop Trump, she should have entered the GOP primary and started out as an outsider. Something something electability. Something something SO BAD. There, I think that saved us about 5 posts. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-merkel-look-repair-relations-meeting-n734991 no things in common : ( | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 18 2017 04:20 LightSpectra wrote: I'm not saying that wouldn't help, I just don't think that addresses the core of the issue. A country that relies on information from FOX or Russia Today or Daily Mail is going to be in very, very bad straits, regardless of how much fake news they're being exposed to on social media. I just want Fox News, RT and Daily Mail back down to the bottom of the barrel where they used to be. Yellow, shitty journalism has always been a thing we have dealt with in the past. Creditable news sources can rise above it. It is easier to do when those sources are not attempting fight the whims of Facebook’s time line system and 20000 bullshit news sites. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On March 18 2017 05:19 Nyxisto wrote: I also loved this situation during the press conference http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-merkel-look-repair-relations-meeting-n734991 no things in common : ( That 1 minute clip about everyone asking them to shake hands. Not quite on the awkward levels of him misunderstanding Abes translation of reporters requests to look at them for pretty pictures but still quite akward indeed | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
as businesses, they need money to survive, and different monetization models apply somewhat different pressures, which lead to different results. Subscription models seem to yield higher average quality than advertisement based ones. and it seems to me that more of the net sources (in terms of viewership) are relying on advertisements than in the past. and even with ads, it somewhat matters what the bloc of content is; a 30-minute news program for instance, may be more likely to be subject to quality pressures over time than a single article looked at on the internet. also the rise of the internet and demand for free stuff means you have to run entirely off ad revenue, without the balancing effects. of course, there's another far simpler problem involved: there's simply far more quality entertainment than there used to be, so it's harder for news to compete. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
‘We Have a Lot in Common’: Trump Jokes With Seemingly Confused Merkel About Obama Surveillance During a press conference today, President Trump was asked if he regrets certain tweets, like his accusation that Barack Obama wiretapped him. The conference was a joint event with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and it gave him the opportunity for some levity following months of disparaging her and her decision to allow so many Syrian refugees into her country. Trump said that he “very seldom” regrets his tweets, then turned to Merkel and said that with the unproven wiretapping claim he made, maybe the two of them had something in common after all. It took a few seconds for those in attendance to figure out the joke, but when they realized he was making a crack about Obama’s surveillance of Germany’s administration and media, they chuckled. Watch above, via MSNBC, especially to catch his defense of the wiretapping claims, which involved Fox News. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/we-have-a-lot-in-common-trump-jokes-with-merkel-about-obama-surveillance/ | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
Germany/France taking a Spartan place in Europe would be very interesting. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
http://gizmodo.com/fbi-arrests-man-for-allegedly-sending-journalist-seizur-1793375081 The man who caused Eichenwald to have a seizure due to a tweet has been arrested. Apparently, labeling the gif "You deserve to have a seizure for your postings" makes the question of intent pretty easy to answer. And Shep Smith has said that Fox News cannot confirm the report by Napolitano about wiretapping that Trump was referencing recently. Fox News cannot confirm Judge Napolitano’s commentary. Fox News knows of no evidence of any kind that the now-President of the United States was surveilled at any time in any way. Full stop. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35154 Posts
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