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On March 18 2017 02:00 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 01:57 Mohdoo wrote:On March 18 2017 01:54 LegalLord wrote:Ah, yes, Labrador diplomacy. Such intimidation tactics! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/J3b9WA4.jpg) I can't tell if you're trying to say what Kwark said isn't true. Well on the one hand, who cares? Kwark is clearly just getting his daily "fuck Russia" out of his system so I'll leave him to it. But also just look at the dog snuggling up to Merkel. Clearly an aggressive animal meant to intimidate.
Are you saying you don't think Putin used his dog in the way Kwark described?
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On March 18 2017 01:57 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 01:55 LegalLord wrote:On March 18 2017 01:53 IgnE wrote:On March 17 2017 23:25 LightSpectra wrote:
The scary thing is, there's absolutely nothing implausible about it. The Snowden leaks revealed that the Five Eyes countries had an informal agreement to spy on each other's citizens and share the intel, in order to circumvent the privacy laws in their own countries. On March 17 2017 23:30 Plansix wrote:
I seen that and I’m not as worried as some are. It makes sense that long standing allies would have a system in place to share intelligence if one of them turned up someone on the other’s citizens. As long as they are not taking requests, which I haven’t’ seen evidence of, I’m not convinced it is as sinister as some make it out to be. ok well plansix you are a complete tool if you don't think that everyone (especially the US) is spying on its own citizens by working through what euphemistically might be called "legal loopholes" via other state agencies this "obama went outside the chain of command" theory is way more plausible than the original Why would you even need to bother with "legal loopholes" when you can just go ahead and use the Patriot Act and NDAA to do everything you want to do legally? i think you need a warrant to wiretap citizens even through those documents? not sure what you mean, but feel free to explain it
Well a lot of the most heinous stuff leaked by traitors like Snowden turned out to be fully legal - as per the Patriot Act and/or the NDAA. So clearly those laws did something right.
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On March 18 2017 02:00 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 01:57 Mohdoo wrote:On March 18 2017 01:54 LegalLord wrote:Ah, yes, Labrador diplomacy. Such intimidation tactics! I can't tell if you're trying to say what Kwark said isn't true. Well on the one hand, who cares? Kwark is clearly just getting his daily "fuck Russia" out of his system so I'll leave him to it. But also just look at the dog snuggling up to Merkel. Clearly an aggressive animal meant to intimidate.
But she has a phobia of dogs. She is irrationally scared of them. Do you need us to explain phobias to you? Or are you being intentionally obtuse again?
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On March 18 2017 02:03 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 02:00 LegalLord wrote:On March 18 2017 01:57 Mohdoo wrote:On March 18 2017 01:54 LegalLord wrote:Ah, yes, Labrador diplomacy. Such intimidation tactics! I can't tell if you're trying to say what Kwark said isn't true. Well on the one hand, who cares? Kwark is clearly just getting his daily "fuck Russia" out of his system so I'll leave him to it. But also just look at the dog snuggling up to Merkel. Clearly an aggressive animal meant to intimidate. Are you saying you don't think Putin used his dog in the way Kwark described?
Putin commonly shows off his doges. I too would generally make the assumption that a German woman would be happy to see a big black doge. Not my problem if he happened to find the only German scared of them.
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On March 18 2017 02:03 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 01:57 IgnE wrote:On March 18 2017 01:55 LegalLord wrote:On March 18 2017 01:53 IgnE wrote:On March 17 2017 23:25 LightSpectra wrote:
The scary thing is, there's absolutely nothing implausible about it. The Snowden leaks revealed that the Five Eyes countries had an informal agreement to spy on each other's citizens and share the intel, in order to circumvent the privacy laws in their own countries. On March 17 2017 23:30 Plansix wrote:
I seen that and I’m not as worried as some are. It makes sense that long standing allies would have a system in place to share intelligence if one of them turned up someone on the other’s citizens. As long as they are not taking requests, which I haven’t’ seen evidence of, I’m not convinced it is as sinister as some make it out to be. ok well plansix you are a complete tool if you don't think that everyone (especially the US) is spying on its own citizens by working through what euphemistically might be called "legal loopholes" via other state agencies this "obama went outside the chain of command" theory is way more plausible than the original Why would you even need to bother with "legal loopholes" when you can just go ahead and use the Patriot Act and NDAA to do everything you want to do legally? i think you need a warrant to wiretap citizens even through those documents? not sure what you mean, but feel free to explain it Well a lot of the most heinous stuff leaked by traitors like Snowden turned out to be fully legal - as per the Patriot Act and/or the NDAA. So clearly those laws did something right.
yeah sure but i dont think trump is accusing obama of reading his twitter/facebook DMs or whatever
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On March 18 2017 02:02 IgnE wrote:
ok legalord we found a person who was surprised that the nsa was collecting everything sent through and located on the internet when snowden dropped his leaks. plansix the last holdout to cynicism
Mass data collection is not targeted spying on an individual at the request of an allied nation.
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On March 18 2017 02:06 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 02:03 LegalLord wrote:On March 18 2017 01:57 IgnE wrote:On March 18 2017 01:55 LegalLord wrote:On March 18 2017 01:53 IgnE wrote:On March 17 2017 23:25 LightSpectra wrote:
The scary thing is, there's absolutely nothing implausible about it. The Snowden leaks revealed that the Five Eyes countries had an informal agreement to spy on each other's citizens and share the intel, in order to circumvent the privacy laws in their own countries. On March 17 2017 23:30 Plansix wrote:
I seen that and I’m not as worried as some are. It makes sense that long standing allies would have a system in place to share intelligence if one of them turned up someone on the other’s citizens. As long as they are not taking requests, which I haven’t’ seen evidence of, I’m not convinced it is as sinister as some make it out to be. ok well plansix you are a complete tool if you don't think that everyone (especially the US) is spying on its own citizens by working through what euphemistically might be called "legal loopholes" via other state agencies this "obama went outside the chain of command" theory is way more plausible than the original Why would you even need to bother with "legal loopholes" when you can just go ahead and use the Patriot Act and NDAA to do everything you want to do legally? i think you need a warrant to wiretap citizens even through those documents? not sure what you mean, but feel free to explain it Well a lot of the most heinous stuff leaked by traitors like Snowden turned out to be fully legal - as per the Patriot Act and/or the NDAA. So clearly those laws did something right. yeah sure but i dont think trump is accusing obama of reading his twitter/facebook DMs or whatever
Yes but the accuracy of these claims are all judged in the Grand Court of Breitbart.
Which, with Bannon, might be quite strong I guess.
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On March 18 2017 02:05 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 02:03 Mohdoo wrote:On March 18 2017 02:00 LegalLord wrote:On March 18 2017 01:57 Mohdoo wrote:On March 18 2017 01:54 LegalLord wrote:Ah, yes, Labrador diplomacy. Such intimidation tactics! I can't tell if you're trying to say what Kwark said isn't true. Well on the one hand, who cares? Kwark is clearly just getting his daily "fuck Russia" out of his system so I'll leave him to it. But also just look at the dog snuggling up to Merkel. Clearly an aggressive animal meant to intimidate. Are you saying you don't think Putin used his dog in the way Kwark described? Putin commonly shows off his doges. I too would generally make the assumption that a German woman would be happy to see a big black doge. Not my problem if he happened to find the only German scared of them.
For your argument to rest on the notion that Putin "happened" to find the only German scared of dogs is pretty trolly. That just seems like actual trolling.
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On March 18 2017 02:00 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 01:57 Mohdoo wrote:On March 18 2017 01:54 LegalLord wrote:Ah, yes, Labrador diplomacy. Such intimidation tactics! I can't tell if you're trying to say what Kwark said isn't true. Well on the one hand, who cares? Kwark is clearly just getting his daily "fuck Russia" out of his system so I'll leave him to it. But also just look at the dog snuggling up to Merkel. Clearly an aggressive animal meant to intimidate.
Are you playing dumb? Obviously labradors are friendly dogs and it's irrational to be afraid of them. But Merkel is afraid of them and Putin deliberately tried to use his friendly lab to fuck with her. I love dogs and I think they're super friendly and awesome and I can't imagine being afraid of them but I still totally understand why this is a big deal, even if I don't understand Merkel's phobia at all.
Putin knew about Merkel's phobia. He invited his dog into the room, let it approach Merkel and then started saying shit like "The dog does not bother you, does she?", trying to provoke Merkel into showing any sign of weakness. That's an asshole level power play.
I found Merkel's exact quote in response.I understand why he has to do this — to prove he's a man. He's afraid of his own weakness. Russia has nothing, no successful politics or economy. All they have is this. Stone fucking cold.
Returning to my main point, Merkel can handle Trump and whatever "how to be an alpha male and succeed in business" self help book Trump most recently read.
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On March 18 2017 02:06 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 02:02 IgnE wrote:
ok legalord we found a person who was surprised that the nsa was collecting everything sent through and located on the internet when snowden dropped his leaks. plansix the last holdout to cynicism Mass data collection is not targeted spying on an individual at the request of an allied nation.
so you think that these nations collect and store vast quantities of data and then don't look at it and don't engage in mutual trading with each other about the other's citizens? even though this sharing has already been noted by representatives and lawyers as legal information gathering?
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They collect and thats bad enough, but they also drown in data and miss actually important stuff because of this, which is downright scary.
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On March 18 2017 02:17 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 02:06 Plansix wrote:On March 18 2017 02:02 IgnE wrote:
ok legalord we found a person who was surprised that the nsa was collecting everything sent through and located on the internet when snowden dropped his leaks. plansix the last holdout to cynicism Mass data collection is not targeted spying on an individual at the request of an allied nation. so you think that these nations collect and store vast quantities of data and then don't look at it and don't engage in mutual trading with each other about the other's citizens? even though this sharing has already been noted by representatives and lawyers as legal information gathering?
My post said I fully expected it and I was not surprised there was an agreement in place.
Don't confuse me with the tech loving members of the internet. I've always expressed reservations about how the internet works, level of anonymity is provides and the legal protections websites/services have. I measure those against my reservations about the CIA and NSA.
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Most assholes deny being an asshole too. Doesn't really prove much.
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She basically "owned" him in a flamewar by making fun of his manliness, which he constantly has to show off. Before him admitting he got owned by a woman, coconuts grow in siberia.
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On March 18 2017 02:22 Velr wrote:
They collect and thats bad enough, but they also drown in data and miss actually important stuff because of this, which is downright scary.
US intelligence has always been top-tier from a technical perspective, but garbage tier from a human intelligence perspective. That should not be a surprise.
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Its not just the US, our goverment agencies (and google/facebook...) are drowning in data.
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Wish I had that tech bro tweet about data being the new oil. And then the updated one where "accurate data" is the new oil.
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I somehow got gay dating website adds on youtube, 0 ideas why... they have ways to go  . Thats also why i'm not totally scared.
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Just wait until those self driving cars take off and we live in the true robo-cop future that we thought was satire. Except weirdly less capable. Then the tech companies will be drowning in even more data then they know what to do with.
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