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On March 15 2017 07:11 Sermokala wrote:
Sweet jesus we're going to have this dance again. Left and right are a matter of perspective so the Democratic party is the left wing party and the conservative party is the right wing party.
There are two parties and it shouldn't be this hard for people to understand there are two directions and thus two labels for each party.
Left wing seems more apt than "the left". They represent "the left" of American politics, but that's not "the left" of the political spectrum.
There's a great image I can't find at the moment which draws out how "the center" has long shifted to the right in so much as "the left" in the US is still to the right of center in global politics.
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On March 15 2017 07:19 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2017 07:11 Sermokala wrote:
Sweet jesus we're going to have this dance again. Left and right are a matter of perspective so the Democratic party is the left wing party and the conservative party is the right wing party.
There are two parties and it shouldn't be this hard for people to understand there are two directions and thus two labels for each party. but then the leftists wouldn't get to jerk off about how they're better than everyone else and how america would be so much better if we were more european.
There's also the added bonus of being factually correct but sure, let's call that jerking off.
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On March 15 2017 07:21 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2017 07:11 Sermokala wrote:
Sweet jesus we're going to have this dance again. Left and right are a matter of perspective so the Democratic party is the left wing party and the conservative party is the right wing party.
There are two parties and it shouldn't be this hard for people to understand there are two directions and thus two labels for each party. Left wing seems more apt than "the left". They represent "the left" of American politics, but that's not "the left" of the political spectrum. There's a great image I can't find at the moment which draws out how "the center" has long shifted to the right in so much as "the left" in the US is still to the right of center in global politics.
Well, if you are in the USA, "The west" is to the east of you, and "The east" is to the west of you. So i can understand the confusion with directions.
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The concept that political leanings and progress are relative seems to get lost on this site sometimes.
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On March 15 2017 08:43 Plansix wrote:
The concept that political leanings and progress are relative seems to get lost on this site sometimes.
Descriptions of political leanings don't begin and end at a countries border. They are relative, but not exclusively within a single country.
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On March 15 2017 08:50 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2017 08:43 Plansix wrote:
The concept that political leanings and progress are relative seems to get lost on this site sometimes. Descriptions of political leanings don't begin and end at a countries border.
Is it not fair to confine the definitions to US standards since this is the US politics thread, though?
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It's also not really true to categorise the American left as unambiguously right of the European centre. the US overall is much less anti-authoritarian on cultural issues (assimilation etc..) than most European countries. Parts of the anti-authoritarian left in Europe even have cross overs with religious regionalism/conservatism in the US.
On economic issues US liberals also can be more interventionist than European, see monetary politics while austerity doesn't really seem to exist outside of Europe. Welfare and social services is pretty much the only issue for which the original statement holds.
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On March 15 2017 08:51 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2017 08:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 15 2017 08:43 Plansix wrote:
The concept that political leanings and progress are relative seems to get lost on this site sometimes. Descriptions of political leanings don't begin and end at a countries border. Is it not fair to confine the definitions to US standards since this is the US politics thread, though?
That's been an ongoing problem with the US and both parties, so I would say no.
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On March 15 2017 08:31 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2017 07:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 15 2017 07:11 Sermokala wrote:
Sweet jesus we're going to have this dance again. Left and right are a matter of perspective so the Democratic party is the left wing party and the conservative party is the right wing party.
There are two parties and it shouldn't be this hard for people to understand there are two directions and thus two labels for each party. Left wing seems more apt than "the left". They represent "the left" of American politics, but that's not "the left" of the political spectrum. There's a great image I can't find at the moment which draws out how "the center" has long shifted to the right in so much as "the left" in the US is still to the right of center in global politics. Well, if you are in the USA, "The west" is to the east of you, and "The east" is to the west of you. So i can understand the confusion with directions.
In the USA, there's still a very eurocentric view of world maps. The left goes out, generally, to Hawaii and then cuts of. Europe is towards the center, and everything else is to the East of that.
Getting that popcorn ready!
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roflmao, if the universe has a sense of humor the leak will have come from Russia.
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I can barely contain my erection. Never thought I would say that about Maddow.
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We'll see how complete they are or what she actually has. I remain cautiously optimistic.
Trying to imagine how completely the world will implode if his net worth was less than a billion
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Don't get your hopes up. There will not be a smoking gun here.
Most likely just man who isnt as rich as he claims.
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On March 15 2017 09:16 Gorsameth wrote:
Don't get your hopes up. There will not be a smoking gun here.
Most likely just man who isnt as rich as he claims.
Trump being proven less wealthy than he claims would probably bother him more than being shown corrupt.
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Considering the build up I'm not even sure it will show he's not as wealthy as he says he is (in a way most people would understand anyway).
That she's just teasing the possession and not any implications indicates to me that it's mostly a nothing burger.
EDIT: If there is something to it, could it be that Assange's tweets about Hillary and Pence working together to give Pence the presidency isn't all hot air?
EDIT2: Nope, nothingburger it is
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I don't imagine his income has changed from then as that was around the start of Apprentice? Not as exciting as 2015 but if there's interesting information... the 1040 isn't really that informative though? I don't really look at the parts on the form I don't fill out lol
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On March 15 2017 09:44 Blisse wrote:
I don't imagine his income has changed from then as that was around the start of Apprentice? Not as exciting as 2015 but if there's interesting information... the 1040 isn't really that informative though? I don't really look at the parts on the form I don't fill out lol
She's been on a rating tear and this was just typical clickbait. At best it will allow more speculation on stuff they don't know.
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