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On February 16 2017 03:36 biology]major wrote:
.. You guys actually think the US even has the slightest chance of transforming into a dictatorship?? Lol
Don't confuse Trump being Trump with something more sinister.
Eh, Europeans and American leftists tend to throw the words "dictator," "fascist," "authoritarian," and the like around very lightly to express their disapproval for people they don't like. I wouldn't put much stock in their hyperbole.
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This whole thread is hyperbole now. You guys don't have enough energy to do this for the next 4 years, do you?
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On February 16 2017 03:41 Introvert wrote:
This whole thread is hyperbole now. You guys don't have enough energy to do this for the next 4 years, do you?
I see no reason why this would stop.
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On February 16 2017 03:38 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2017 03:36 Plansix wrote:On February 16 2017 03:28 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On February 16 2017 03:22 biology]major wrote:
Given that he didn't disobey the court order holding up his travel ban, comparing him to a dictator is too far out there. He did send his right hand man Miller to loudly state he thinks judges are not supposed to question the president. And single out the judge that ordered the holdup as a so-called judge. And say they are threatening the countries security by not listening to him. Which is unprecedented for an administration. At worst they express disappointment with a final ruling after years of litigation. No White House has put judges on blast after a TRO was denied. News flash Plansix, every single thing about this whitehouse is unprecendented, getting worked up over such minor details makes real implications of these russian ties (and lying about it) less serious. Stop crying wolf over the small things.
News flash, attacking another branch of goverment that is meant to keep the White House in check is an assault on the very foundation of our nation's laws. There is a reason the Republicans in the Senate put Trump and his goons on blast after that.
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On February 16 2017 03:36 LegalLord wrote:
Cross-post from Euro thread: Mattis says that NATO Europeans have to spend more or the US will help them less.
Good call, Europeans barking loudly from the sidelines while expecting the US to defend them gets tiring after a few decades.
Let me think of a time NATO has actually had to step in to defend someone. Oh wait, the only time Article 5 has been activated was by the US, and the Europeans were there to help. Name one single instance of the US being forced by NATO to enter into a conflict.
None of the conflicts that the US stepped into because "Europe wasn't doing its job" were defense issues.
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On February 16 2017 03:41 Introvert wrote:
This whole thread is hyperbole now. You guys don't have enough energy to do this for the next 4 years, do you?
Like it or not, frequent communications with Russian intelligence during a campaign is very important.
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Top Senate Republicans have urged the White House to withdraw the Andrew Puzder nomination for labor secretary, a senior GOP source said, adding there are four firm Republican no votes and possibly up to 12.
CNN
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Norway28923 Posts
I certainly believe that Trump would like to be dictator, but American institutions seem much too resilient for it to be an even remote possibility.
And Introvert, Trump is amazing at energizing - both his base and his opposition. We'll keep on fighting him until he's out of office, be it 1, 4 or 8 years. 
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On February 16 2017 03:41 Introvert wrote:
This whole thread is hyperbole now. You guys don't have enough energy to do this for the next 4 years, do you?
I hated trump since d1, but even i myself sometimes found me defending him because i couldn't imagine him as batshit crazy as his campaign... well, he is worse than i ever imagined.
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Not to mention his recent non-commitment to Palestine which left Israel literally laughing with joy. This won't end well..
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United States44439 Posts
On February 16 2017 03:36 LegalLord wrote:
Cross-post from Euro thread: Mattis says that NATO Europeans have to spend more or the US will help them less.
Good call, Europeans barking loudly from the sidelines while expecting the US to defend them gets tiring after a few decades.
I don't know if you missed this but nobody anywhere thinks Germany can't defend themselves. The US isn't defending Germany out of good will, it's defending Germany because it was in the interests of the stability of postwar Europe, a key market for the United States.
Also the whole comparison of proportion of GDP spending is absurd. It makes the assumption that every dollar that the US spends is for the benefit of NATO. If they were to break down US defence spending by sector and make a comparison of proportion of GDP spent on the security of the North Atlantic, that'd be a fair comparison.
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On February 16 2017 03:36 biology]major wrote:
.. You guys actually think the US even has the slightest chance of transforming into a dictatorship?? Lol
Don't confuse Trump being Trump with something more sinister.
A dictator doesn't have to be sinister. I'm not saying he has big evil plans. He just has to feel like noone should be allowed to question him and that he holds all the truth in the world. Which is pretty much what he's saying right now. He may think he's doing good but still dismantle democracy in the process.
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On February 16 2017 03:53 Liquid`Drone wrote:I certainly believe that Trump would like to be dictator, but American institutions seem much too resilient for it to be an even remote possibility. And Introvert, Trump is amazing at energizing - both his base and his opposition. We'll keep on fighting him until he's out of office, be it 1, 4 or 8 years.
Fighting, yes, but with no sense of unity. What's the end game after Trump is gone?
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On February 16 2017 03:53 Liquid`Drone wrote:I certainly believe that Trump would like to be dictator, but American institutions seem much too resilient for it to be an even remote possibility. And Introvert, Trump is amazing at energizing - both his base and his opposition. We'll keep on fighting him until he's out of office, be it 1, 4 or 8 years.
It helps to have 50 smaller governments with their own armed services and decentralized law enforcement.
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On February 16 2017 03:53 Liquid`Drone wrote:I certainly believe that Trump would like to be dictator, but American institutions seem much too resilient for it to be an even remote possibility. And Introvert, Trump is amazing at energizing - both his base and his opposition. We'll keep on fighting him until he's out of office, be it 1, 4 or 8 years.
It's not just about energy. Everyone rightly mocked people saying Obama would run for a third term. Here we are less than a month in and we have people discussing Trump the dictator. I am curious if it's possible to be perpetually angry until 2021.
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On February 16 2017 04:01 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2017 03:53 Liquid`Drone wrote:I certainly believe that Trump would like to be dictator, but American institutions seem much too resilient for it to be an even remote possibility. And Introvert, Trump is amazing at energizing - both his base and his opposition. We'll keep on fighting him until he's out of office, be it 1, 4 or 8 years. It's not just about energy. Everyone rightly mocked people saying Obama would run for a third term. Here we are less than a month in and we have people discussing Trump the dictator. I am curious if it's possible to be perpetually angry until 2021.
Not only is it possible, it's also the most likely scenario.
Imagine 2016, but more of it. That's the next four years for you.
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President-elect Trump and then-President Barack Obama were both briefed on details of the extensive communications between suspected Russian operatives and people associated with the Trump campaign and the Trump business, according to US officials familiar with the matter.
Both the frequency of the communications during early summer and the proximity to Trump of those involved "raised a red flag" with US intelligence and law enforcement, according to these officials. The communications were intercepted during routine intelligence collection targeting Russian officials and other Russian nationals known to US intelligence.
Among several senior Trump advisers regularly communicating with Russian nationals were then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort and then-adviser Michael Flynn.
Officials emphasized that communications between campaign staff and representatives of foreign governments are not unusual. However, these communications stood out to investigators due to the frequency and the level of the Trump advisers involved. Investigators have not reached a judgment on the intent of those conversations.
Adding to US investigators' concerns were intercepted communications between Russian officials before and after the election discussing their belief that they had special access to Trump, two law enforcement officials tell CNN. These officials cautioned the Russians could have been exaggerating their access.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
if things start to get moving on impeachment or coup then it might not be so boring. just waiting for things to develop.
people who dont see trump as alarming would require quite a bit of mental energy to turn around their views. but given the likely priors involved with this happy bunch what they think has as much weight as the general consensus of the psych ward
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On February 16 2017 04:06 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2017 04:01 Introvert wrote:On February 16 2017 03:53 Liquid`Drone wrote:I certainly believe that Trump would like to be dictator, but American institutions seem much too resilient for it to be an even remote possibility. And Introvert, Trump is amazing at energizing - both his base and his opposition. We'll keep on fighting him until he's out of office, be it 1, 4 or 8 years. It's not just about energy. Everyone rightly mocked people saying Obama would run for a third term. Here we are less than a month in and we have people discussing Trump the dictator. I am curious if it's possible to be perpetually angry until 2021. Not only is it possible, it's also the most likely scenario. Imagine 2016, but more of it. That's the next four years for you.
I guess if the progressive left destroys itself I can wait, but there could be collateral damage.
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On February 16 2017 04:06 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2017 04:01 Introvert wrote:On February 16 2017 03:53 Liquid`Drone wrote:I certainly believe that Trump would like to be dictator, but American institutions seem much too resilient for it to be an even remote possibility. And Introvert, Trump is amazing at energizing - both his base and his opposition. We'll keep on fighting him until he's out of office, be it 1, 4 or 8 years. It's not just about energy. Everyone rightly mocked people saying Obama would run for a third term. Here we are less than a month in and we have people discussing Trump the dictator. I am curious if it's possible to be perpetually angry until 2021. Not only is it possible, it's also the most likely scenario. Imagine 2016, but more of it. That's the next four years for you.
Pretty much. We are politically divided on all spectrums. Marrying across party/ideological has lower approval numbers than inter-racial marriage in recent polls.
Nothing is going to make the internet, left/right wing news networks and social media go away. The genie is out of the bottle, so we just get to work through it.
On February 16 2017 04:12 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2017 04:06 LegalLord wrote:On February 16 2017 04:01 Introvert wrote:On February 16 2017 03:53 Liquid`Drone wrote:I certainly believe that Trump would like to be dictator, but American institutions seem much too resilient for it to be an even remote possibility. And Introvert, Trump is amazing at energizing - both his base and his opposition. We'll keep on fighting him until he's out of office, be it 1, 4 or 8 years. It's not just about energy. Everyone rightly mocked people saying Obama would run for a third term. Here we are less than a month in and we have people discussing Trump the dictator. I am curious if it's possible to be perpetually angry until 2021. Not only is it possible, it's also the most likely scenario. Imagine 2016, but more of it. That's the next four years for you. I guess if the progressive left destroys itself I can wait, but there could be collateral damage.
We will take the conservative right with us. That has always been the goal.
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