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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22239 Posts
February 15 2017 17:44 GMT
#137581
On February 16 2017 02:41 LegalLord wrote:
So at this point in time, where do people stand?
Poll: Trump's Presidential Lifespan?

One full term (12)
 
36%

Less than a year (10)
 
30%

1-2 years (9)
 
27%

More than a full term (2)
 
6%

More than 2 years, less than a full term (0)
 
0%

33 total votes

Your vote: Trump's Presidential Lifespan?

(Vote): Less than a year
(Vote): 1-2 years
(Vote): More than 2 years, less than a full term
(Vote): One full term
(Vote): More than a full term


How about option 6. Within a year he will assume purely ceremonial role and Pence will be the President in all but name.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
February 15 2017 17:46 GMT
#137582
I don't think Trump could be trusted to act as a powerless figurehead without exerting just enough power to fuck it up
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10876 Posts
February 15 2017 17:51 GMT
#137583
On February 16 2017 02:44 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2017 02:41 LegalLord wrote:
So at this point in time, where do people stand?
Poll: Trump's Presidential Lifespan?

One full term (12)
 
36%

Less than a year (10)
 
30%

1-2 years (9)
 
27%

More than a full term (2)
 
6%

More than 2 years, less than a full term (0)
 
0%

33 total votes

Your vote: Trump's Presidential Lifespan?

(Vote): Less than a year
(Vote): 1-2 years
(Vote): More than 2 years, less than a full term
(Vote): One full term
(Vote): More than a full term


How about option 6. Within a year he will assume purely ceremonial role and Pence will be the President in all but name.



Under 4 or over 8. I don't see how this could go any other way
Mysticesper
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1183 Posts
February 15 2017 17:58 GMT
#137584
over 8?

I would agree with you if it was under a full term or two terms.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14910 Posts
February 15 2017 18:00 GMT
#137585
over 8 isn't possible..?
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10876 Posts
February 15 2017 18:02 GMT
#137586
Thats the point, if this goes on like this he will either get kicked out or pull a putin/erdogan.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
February 15 2017 18:02 GMT
#137587
On February 16 2017 03:00 KOFgokuon wrote:
over 8 isn't possible..?

I think the implication was either crash and burn or Putin scenario
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 15 2017 18:05 GMT
#137588
On February 16 2017 03:00 KOFgokuon wrote:
over 8 isn't possible..?

He could finish this term, step down and be VP, have the president die in the second half of the term, then get reelected.

A less-than-half length term by succession doesn't count towards the limit.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
February 15 2017 18:20 GMT
#137589
I just can't see him last more than a year. He's antagonizing so many important people. Alternatively he could go full Erdogan and arrest everyone he doesn't like en masse for a feigned reason. Once enough voices are silenced and his twitter is the only truth, well we are in for a ride.
Neosteel Enthusiast
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-15 18:25:26
February 15 2017 18:21 GMT
#137590
this is rather silly. lets first understand the gop.

the scenario in which gop lets trump be a figurehead but controls policy is a scenario in which the gop would act to oppose trump with forceful methods...for policy and professionalism? LOL. they are fine with treason.

let's be serious. the only way the gop acts is if there is something that is so bad it forces them to act. in that case trump is either out or in.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
February 15 2017 18:22 GMT
#137591
Given that he didn't disobey the court order holding up his travel ban, comparing him to a dictator is too far out there.
Question.?
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 15 2017 18:24 GMT
#137592
Yeah there's no impeachment unless there's even worse leaks on Russia. Probably much worse. So I don't think it's likely.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 15 2017 18:24 GMT
#137593
i mean, if he could he has a good chance of would.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-15 18:29:36
February 15 2017 18:28 GMT
#137594
On February 16 2017 03:22 biology]major wrote:
Given that he didn't disobey the court order holding up his travel ban, comparing him to a dictator is too far out there.

He did send his right hand man Miller to loudly state he thinks judges are not supposed to question the president. And single out the judge that ordered the holdup as a so-called judge. And say they are threatening the countries security by not listening to him.
Neosteel Enthusiast
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10876 Posts
February 15 2017 18:29 GMT
#137595
On February 16 2017 03:22 biology]major wrote:
Given that he didn't disobey the court order holding up his travel ban, comparing him to a dictator is too far out there.


Erdogan didnt start his run with randomly attacking judges, i doubt putin did. Give this a little time until he feels really cornered.

I hope it won't happen.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
February 15 2017 18:36 GMT
#137596
.. You guys actually think the US even has the slightest chance of transforming into a dictatorship?? Lol

Don't confuse Trump being Trump with something more sinister.
Question.?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-15 18:36:32
February 15 2017 18:36 GMT
#137597
On February 16 2017 03:28 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2017 03:22 biology]major wrote:
Given that he didn't disobey the court order holding up his travel ban, comparing him to a dictator is too far out there.

He did send his right hand man Miller to loudly state he thinks judges are not supposed to question the president. And single out the judge that ordered the holdup as a so-called judge. And say they are threatening the countries security by not listening to him.

Which is unprecedented for an administration. At worst they express disappointment with a final ruling after years of litigation. No White House has put judges on blast after a TRO was denied.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 15 2017 18:36 GMT
#137598
Cross-post from Euro thread: Mattis says that NATO Europeans have to spend more or the US will help them less.

Good call, Europeans barking loudly from the sidelines while expecting the US to defend them gets tiring after a few decades.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 15 2017 18:38 GMT
#137599
On February 16 2017 03:36 biology]major wrote:
.. You guys actually think the US even has the slightest chance of transforming into a dictatorship?? Lol

Don't confuse Trump being Trump with something more sinister.

Trump would love it if he could be a dictator. He has no respect for the process, separation of powers or goverment itself. Just because he is terrible at being one doesn't mean he doesn't think it would be great.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
February 15 2017 18:38 GMT
#137600
On February 16 2017 03:36 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2017 03:28 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On February 16 2017 03:22 biology]major wrote:
Given that he didn't disobey the court order holding up his travel ban, comparing him to a dictator is too far out there.

He did send his right hand man Miller to loudly state he thinks judges are not supposed to question the president. And single out the judge that ordered the holdup as a so-called judge. And say they are threatening the countries security by not listening to him.

Which is unprecedented for an administration. At worst they express disappointment with a final ruling after years of litigation. No White House has put judges on blast after a TRO was denied.


News flash Plansix, every single thing about this whitehouse is unprecendented, getting worked up over such minor details makes real implications of these russian ties (and lying about it) less serious. Stop crying wolf over the small things.
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