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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 15 2017 13:48 GMT
#137541
governance level:epic populism

yea, short protest bills are the usual domain of opposition legislators and amateur senators, but this is from the guys in power.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
February 15 2017 14:02 GMT
#137542
It's like Trump is trying to help turn US into RUSsia.
Life?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 15 2017 14:07 GMT
#137543




"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
February 15 2017 14:08 GMT
#137544
Let the ultimate attempt at gaslighting begin.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 15 2017 14:10 GMT
#137545
On February 15 2017 23:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:
It's like Trump is trying to help turn US into RUSsia.
kleptocratic norms migrate. the u.s. is plenty vulnerable. just look at the congressional gop.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 15 2017 14:13 GMT
#137546
AT LEAST 15 COMPANIES with financial ties to Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt, Donald Trump’s nominee to run the Environmental Protection Agency, have faced hundreds of EPA enforcement actions, which are the basic tool the agency uses to enforce environmental rules and laws.

Among the Pruitt donors with enforcement cases against them in recent years are Continental Resources, an oil company that contributed to Liberty 2.0, a pro-Pruitt Super PAC; Murray Energy, which was a co-party in eight of 14 lawsuits Pruitt filed against the EPA and contributed to his political campaigns; and Devon Energy, which raised money for the Republican Attorneys General Association when Pruitt led it and whose lawyers penned a letter that Pruitt sent to the EPA. Peabody Energy, whose executive Fred Palmer contributed to Pruitt’s 2014 re-election campaign for Oklahoma attorney general, is the parent company of 12 separate coal companies that have faced EPA enforcement actions. In addition to the energy companies, the agricultural company Monsanto, which contributed to Pruitt’s 2010 and 2014 election campaign, has been named in 96 formal administrative cases, according to EPA records. It’s impossible to tally a complete list of the enforcement cases filed against Pruitt donors because some donations, such as those to the most recent pro-Pruitt PAC, Protecting America Now, can be made secretly.

Some of the enforcement actions were small, such as the investigation and citation that led the EPA to fine Chesapeake Energy $500 for discharging oil into a waterway flowing into Kentucky’s Cumberland River — that was one of four cases brought by the EPA against Chesapeake. And sometimes the agency’s efforts to enforce the rules fail, as they did when the EPA lost its 2013 suit against Oklahoma Gas & Electric over emissions from two of its plants that, according to the complaint, violated the Clean Air Act. Oklahoma Gas & Electric contributed to Pruitt’s 2002, 2010, and 2014 re-election campaigns.

But other enforcement efforts were much larger, such as the one that resulted in a settlement with Southern Coal and 26 affiliated mining companies in 2016. Southern Coal is a division of Southern Power, which has been co-party in four of Pruitt’s 14 suits against the EPA. (A Southern executive, L. Ray Harry, contributed to Pruitt’s 2014 re-election fund.) An EPA investigation of Southern Coal found numerous violations of the Clean Water Act at its mines in Appalachia, which according to EPA records impacted waterways, killing fish and endangering the health of local communities. The EPA’s response, which included instituting preventive measures, data tracking, and training of mine workers, cost some $5 million and eliminated an estimated 5 million pounds of pollution from being released into local waterways.

Whatever their size, enforcement actions are “the backbone of our environmental program,” said Cynthia Giles, who stepped down from her position as assistant administrator of the Office of Enforcement and Compliance Assurance, or OECA, on January 20. “Enforcement is how we make the protections of environmental laws real on the ground. It’s everything from taking on the big multinational corporations who are cutting corners at the expense of public health to the very local small matters that are hugely important to local communities.”

Yet these actions, which are necessary to keep pollutants out of our air and water, will likely be severely scaled back if and when Pruitt takes over the EPA. Pruitt, whose confirmation may be up for a vote in the Senate this week, dismantled the environmental protection unit in Oklahoma in 2011 and as attorney general largely abandoned environmental regulation in that state. The Trump administration’s plan for the EPA involves not just installing a proven opponent of environmental enforcement as head of the EPA, but possibly shuttering its enforcement arm, according to a recent report from Inside EPA.

While the vote on Pruitt’s nomination has been delayed as a result of a Democratic boycott, the ACLU and the Center for Media and Democracy sued the Oklahoma Attorney General’s Office in an effort to obtain more than 3,000 of Pruitt’s emails with energy industry groups and corporations, including Koch, Exxon, and Murray. On Friday, the Oklahoma Attorney General’s Office released 411 of the emails, which document frequent communications and regular meetings between Pruitt and energy companies and industry groups. Today, the Center for Media and Democracy amended its lawsuit in an effort to obtain the thousands of remaining emails. An Oklahoma judge is scheduled to hear the case on Thursday, according to the center’s Nick Surgey.

Eliminating OECA, which was established in the early 1990s, would be in keeping with how Pruitt handled environmental enforcement as Oklahoma attorney general. According to Giles, it would also be a “colossally bad idea.”


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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
February 15 2017 14:27 GMT
#137547
Well there is a other possible avenue for impeachment I hadn't thought about; as the leaks continue Trump will get more and more paranoid and will eventually overreact like Nixon.

We already have seen the stories about how isolated he is without his wife there. It will get worse.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-15 14:34:59
February 15 2017 14:28 GMT
#137548
On February 15 2017 15:17 OuchyDathurts wrote:
But what about all the people who said Rand and Ron were different from the rest of the republicans? Somehow they weren't just as disgusting as the rest of their ilk.

Trump has to be cooking up some sort of insanity to try and divert attention, he's going to need a real doozy. Though I expect Intelligence folks will keep hemorrhaging information to the media so this can't be swept under the rug by his antics like the rest of it.


Ron is truly different, I think. Rand is only different when he wants to look good or smart.

Also: remember when Trump said we should ask the Russians if they had contacts with his team during the campaign/he was compromised? Well, back in November, the Russian deputy foreign minister said they did. Of course, the Trump campaign then said the Russians were lying and the person retroactively changed their statement.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
February 15 2017 14:30 GMT
#137549
On February 15 2017 23:10 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2017 23:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:
It's like Trump is trying to help turn US into RUSsia.
kleptocratic norms migrate. the u.s. is plenty vulnerable. just look at the congressional gop.


that sounds like some high level reification from a detail- and fact-oriented analyst. the norms are gonna get us.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18265 Posts
February 15 2017 14:36 GMT
#137550
On February 15 2017 23:27 On_Slaught wrote:
Well there is a other possible avenue for impeachment I hadn't thought about; as the leaks continue Trump will get more and more paranoid and will eventually overreact like Nixon.

We already have seen the stories about how isolated he is without his wife there. It will get worse.

You sound almost gleeful at the prospect at repeating one of the major political scandals of the 20th century...
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-15 14:37:09
February 15 2017 14:36 GMT
#137551
On February 15 2017 23:27 On_Slaught wrote:
Well there is a other possible avenue for impeachment I hadn't thought about; as the leaks continue Trump will get more and more paranoid and will eventually overreact like Nixon.

We already have seen the stories about how isolated he is without his wife there. It will get worse.


trump could have brought melania if he wanted. that he didn't lets people draw conclusions about their relationship.

also, nixon was a smart guy. paranoid and insecure, but smart. he was pretty popular pre-watergate too.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22239 Posts
February 15 2017 14:42 GMT
#137552
On February 15 2017 23:36 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2017 23:27 On_Slaught wrote:
Well there is a other possible avenue for impeachment I hadn't thought about; as the leaks continue Trump will get more and more paranoid and will eventually overreact like Nixon.

We already have seen the stories about how isolated he is without his wife there. It will get worse.

You sound almost gleeful at the prospect at repeating one of the major political scandals of the 20th century...

I assume he is gleeful because it would get rid of Trump, not because scandals are fun.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-15 14:53:35
February 15 2017 14:45 GMT
#137553
The main bad thing about the Nixon impeachment and resignation was that it killed a better version of the ACA. I'm not sure if Trump even has any coherent policy plans in the works, and his vanity projects are better off dead.

Plus Trump's approach to this is full of self-contradiction and bizarre statements (this is all to cover for evil Hillary! All the news is fake! There are illegal leaks!) so it feels less sinister than some of what went down with Nixon.

Remember kids: all the news is fake. But the leaks and classified information are real so we have to find and punish them. AND HILLARY!
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
February 15 2017 14:45 GMT
#137554
On February 15 2017 23:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831846101179314177

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831837514226921472

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831840306161123328

Oh it's all about Hilary's lost campaign how have I been so blind /s



I like the 'very un-american' addition. While the topic of the leaks is russian influence on the white house lol.
Neosteel Enthusiast
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
February 15 2017 14:48 GMT
#137555
Note to self: don't mess with intelligence community, they are actually strongest branch of government.
Question.?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22239 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-15 14:55:19
February 15 2017 14:55 GMT
#137556
On February 15 2017 23:48 biology]major wrote:
Note to self: don't mess with intelligence community, they are actually strongest branch of government.

*If they have piles and piles of dirt on you.

If your clean they don't have a lot of influence.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10876 Posts
February 15 2017 14:55 GMT
#137557
Its as if the giant oversized "see all/know all" agencies actually do see a shitload of things
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
February 15 2017 15:05 GMT
#137558
I also like that he basically confirms the 'fake news' is true by saying it's information coming from the intelligence services.
Neosteel Enthusiast
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
February 15 2017 15:16 GMT
#137559
If things continue to sink, will Priebus go down with the ship?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-15 15:23:20
February 15 2017 15:22 GMT
#137560
On February 16 2017 00:16 Mohdoo wrote:
If things continue to sink, will Priebus go down with the ship?

Let's just say that I wouldn't want to be part of this chaotic administration right now. Seems like a career safety hazard.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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