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oneofthem
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ChristianS
United States3188 Posts
On February 15 2017 14:13 LegalLord wrote: Yes, this is certainly starting to resemble a worst case scenario of Trump being president. Oh by the way, Tillerson debuts this weekend as SoS with a G-20 meeting. A few other important FP events this weekend, iirc. As for the Flynn issue, if I've judged the political climate correctly, it will likely be buried as soon as Trump has another spat with Mexico or something. That's how the past year has gone anyways. Tougher to bury because he resigned on a Monday. That's also why I think the administration really didn't see the Flynn scandal coming, although I can't imagine why not. They knew about it in advance and they've been leaking like nobody's business, so of course the story will get out. Maybe they've got so much dirt that they have no idea which scandal will leak next? | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On February 15 2017 11:36 oneofthem wrote: yellen reaction faces are too good. so there's new development. your post gave the impression that there's nothing new going on. as for greenwald. they were doing their damnest to undermine the intel community at every turn. yeah thank god for the intel community, jesus | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On February 15 2017 14:39 IgnE wrote: yeah thank god for the intel community, jesus yea, this is the upside. letting the sun shine upon all that moves works against power, not your nudes. | ||
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LegalLord
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On February 15 2017 14:45 oneofthem wrote: yea, this is the upside. letting the sun shine upon all that moves works against power, not your nudes. how could it work against my nudes? or my nudes work against power? what are you trying to say? | ||
KwarK
United States42817 Posts
On February 15 2017 13:46 biology]major wrote: dudes, I am so angry about this because I expected a worst case scenario of incompetence from Trump. If this investigation leads to betrayal of the american people by his administration by conspiring w/ Russia.. I want some answers damn I mean Hillary literally said this was happening before the election. Also http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/14/politics/kfile-rand-paul-republican-investigations/ I just don't think it's useful to be doing investigation after investigation, particularly of your own party. We'll never even get started with doing the things we need to do, like repealing Obamacare, if we're spending our whole time having Republicans investigate Republicans. I think it makes no sense. Rand Paul everyone. It makes no sense for Republicans to investigate Republicans, they're on the same side, unified against the American people. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
Trump has to be cooking up some sort of insanity to try and divert attention, he's going to need a real doozy. Though I expect Intelligence folks will keep hemorrhaging information to the media so this can't be swept under the rug by his antics like the rest of it. | ||
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LegalLord
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On February 15 2017 14:01 LegalLord wrote: Pence will inherit Trump's baggage. And he has plenty of his own. There is no possibility of this ending positively. We've already crossed the event horizon of this presidency. Throw out the whole administration, its worse then a lot of people thought. I think that would mean Ryan would be president? God the day I would wish for that fool in the oval office. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On February 15 2017 15:20 Slaughter wrote: Throw out the whole administration, its worse then a lot of people thought. I think that would mean Ryan would be president? God the day I would wish for that fool in the oval office. Ryan, Pence, the result is the same. Crisis, purge, zero trust, gridlock, failed presidency. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
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Yurie
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On February 15 2017 15:27 LegalLord wrote: Ryan, Pence, the result is the same. Crisis, purge, zero trust, gridlock, failed presidency. From across the pond this sounds like a big improvement to your current presidency. Good that you show a brighter future if it happens. Seriously speaking, is there enough traction to get an impeachment to actually go through if called? | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On February 15 2017 16:01 Yurie wrote: From across the pond this sounds like a big improvement to your current presidency. Good that you show a brighter future if it happens. Seriously speaking, is there enough traction to get an impeachment to actually go through if called? The result of a president being removed from office is much weightier in the states, especially if the removal is due to scandal. It is not common for the president to resign in the face of being embarrassed, for example. Such a departure would be followed by chaos. No, an impeachment does not seem likely right now. Not even close. Though among the general population the desire for impeachment is remarkably high. Trump didn't create the current political climate. He may be the president presiding over it but the climate itself was already there. Whoever comes next is going to get shredded and brutalized from all sides as well. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10731 Posts
Since day 1 the Trump admin has been nothing but chaos. It wasn't "nice" during Obama but it wasn't Chaos. Trum was pouring gazoline into the fire even before his campaign started. Trump has helped more than most People in Washington to create this climate. The birther "movement" is a prime example of what is wrong with US politics and Trump was its posterboy. He is also not being "shredded and brutalised from all sides", he is just so damn incompetent that you can't report positively about him whiteout dropping all journalistic integrity. At least if you don't want a dictator that can fuck over the constitution and bully around judges. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7890 Posts
On February 15 2017 16:01 Yurie wrote: From across the pond this sounds like a big improvement to your current presidency. Good that you show a brighter future if it happens. Seriously speaking, is there enough traction to get an impeachment to actually go through if called? The one and only way to empeach Trump would be for something like half the gop congressmen to vote for it. It's very unlikely. Hillary's campaign and basically everyone has been saying from the beginning that Trump had a real problem in his ties with the Kremlin to which our conservative posters said it was media propaganda and crooked hillary's tricks. Waiting to hear justifications now. | ||
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oneofthem
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu flew into Washington Monday night expecting to kick off a new, better era of U.S. relations after his rocky dealings with President Barack Obama, a relationship so troubled the two leaders were barely on speaking terms by the end of Obama’s presidency. Instead, he landed right in the middle of the meltdown of President Donald Trump’s White House, just as Trump’s national security adviser, retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, was being forced to resign after less than a month in the job. In an exclusive interview for our new podcast, The Global Politico, longtime U.S. ambassador Dan Shapiro, who served as Obama’s top Israel adviser throughout his presidency and sat in on all of his meetings with Netanyahu, takes us inside the mess on the eve of Trump’s first White House sit-down with the Israeli. It is, Shapiro says, “an absolutely crazy time to hold a meeting with the president of the United States.” According to Shapiro, Flynn had been helping lead planning for the meeting with Netanyahu and had met at least three times with the head of Israel’s top spy agency, the Mossad, and Netanyahu’s national security advisory council in advance of Wednesday’s session with the two leaders. “All that preparation is now out the window.” For Netanyahu, the timing couldn’t be worse. The relationship with the United States is far and away the country’s most important, and ever since Trump’s upset victory in November, the entire political class of Israel has been expecting in Trump the kind of hawkish partner Obama never was. In recent weeks those expectations had given way to some confusion and uncertainty, as Trump pulled back from campaign-trail vows that he was going to move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem and issued cryptic public statements essentially reaffirming that the U.S. does not view further Israeli settlements on the West Bank as conducive to a peace deal with the Palestinians. “The idea that there is going to be this massive sea change of U.S. policy,” Shapiro said, “is very much called into question.” Source | ||
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