US Politics Mega-thread - Page 6254

On November 17 2016 19:41 Blisse wrote:
I've been away but has anyone seen rounds of a Trump surrogate whatever that means saying that there's precedent to catalogue Muslims and then referencing doing so with the Japanese in the WW2 internment camps? I mean like, present the argument better jeez, way to make it sound awful.

On November 17 2016 11:47 GoTuNk! wrote:


He should go after every woman that slandered him and after the people who likely payed them, at the very least. Not him personally obviously, but someone from his team.

On November 17 2016 19:59 Blisse wrote:


I mean, beating a dead horse against an immovable wall here, but...

Any slander charge brought up against Trump's accusers by Trump will be instantly struck down by any reasonable judge or jury the second they are shown the video of Trump admitting that he does that. And it's not slander if there's no damage to his reputation, which was ruined by his own exact words on camera, nor is there reasonable doubt that their claims are untrue.

He's not going to sue anyone, just as he's never sued the tens of people he said he would sue. It's an act to look tough and deflect the accusation.

Also where is this evidence that the women were paid to do anything? You're lying here just as much as you're accusing that they are doing. And please don't cite the O'Keefe video.

A supporter of President-elect Donald Trump on Wednesday cited the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II ― considered one of the darkest periods in American history ― as the basis for creating a federal registry for immigrants from Muslim countries.

Carl Higbie, a retired Navy SEAL, made the case in an interview with Fox News’ Megyn Kelly, who was decidedly incredulous upon hearing it:

”The president needs to protect America first, and if that means having people that are not protected under our Constitution have some sort of registry so we can understand ― until we can identify the true threat and where it’s coming from ― I support it,” said Higbie, who worked on a pro-Trump super PAC during the campaign.

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, an anti-immigration hardliner who is advising Trump’s transition team, said earlier this week that the president-elect’s policy advisers were considering instating a Muslim registry.

During the campaign, Trump said he might have supported the internment of Japanese-Americans at the time. “I would have had to be there at the time to tell you, to give you a proper answer,” Trump told Time last December. “I certainly hate the concept of it. But I would have had to be there at the time to give you a proper answer.”

Trump later called for a ban on Muslims entering the country and followed up by proposing “extreme vetting” of Muslims in the name of national security.

Earlier Wednesday, Higbie came to the defense of Steve Bannon, the newly named chief strategist to the president-elect, who previously ran Breitbart.com, a website that traffics in white nationalist sentiment. Scores of congressional Democrats have called on Trump to part ways with Bannon, calling him a purveyor of anti-Semitism, misogyny and racism.

“Steve Bannon has exceled in every single role he has held dating back to his service in the US Navy,” Higbie said in a statement. “I cannot imagine a better person to be advising an already successful businessman taking on the biggest business in the world, the US Government.”

During the campaign, Trump said he might have supported the internment of Japanese-Americans at the time. “I would have had to be there at the time to tell you, to give you a proper answer,” Trump told Time last December. “I certainly hate the concept of it. But I would have had to be there at the time to give you a proper answer.”

On November 17 2016 20:52 GoTuNk! wrote:
This paragraph makes no sense at all:

On November 17 2016 20:52 GoTuNk! wrote:
This paragraph makes no sense at all:

On November 17 2016 20:29 GoTuNk! wrote:


Your political bias is so strong you can't even read. Unlike you and your SJW crowd, I do not consider myself a truth bearer when things are unclear, so allow me to repeat myself: "He should go after every woman that slandered him and after the people who likely payed them".

See what I did there? I express my opinion without presenting it as an undeniable fact, maybe you could try that.

That you say there is no "reasonable doubt" when there is no conviction probes how much you and your political camp believe in the important of due process or western values in general. Your reasoning on Trump's tape also highlight the deeper issue within some people that willingly blur the difference between words and actions for political gain.

The Interior Department on Wednesday announced a settlement with Devon Energy for the cancellation of leases in Montana for oil and gas drilling on lands considered sacred by the Blackfeet Tribe.

“This is the right action to take on behalf of current and future generations,” Interior Secretary Sally Jewell said on the department’s Web site. She said it would protect the region’s “rich cultural and natural resources and recognizes the irreparable impacts that oil and gas development would have on them.”

The settlement comes as the Obama administration seeks to wrap up outstanding issues and as Native Americans in nearby North Dakota are protesting to block the construction of an oil pipeline just north of the Standing Rock Sioux reservation.

The exploration leases in Montana covered parts of the Badger-Two Medicine area of the Lewis and Clark National Forest in northwest Montana, an expanse that covers a 130,000 acres surrounded by Glacier National Park, the Bob Marshall Wilderness and the Blackfeet Indian reservation.

“There aren’t many places like this left in the lower 48,” said Michael Jamison, a senior program manager for the National Parks Conservation Association, noting that the area is home to grizzly bears, elk, wolves and an array of other wildlife. “It is a tremendously important ecosystem.”

The area also is home to the creation story of the Blackfeet, said Chase Huntley, senior director of energy and climate at The Wilderness Society. Huntley said many of the leases were sold for less than $1 an acre and he alleged there was “no effort to reach out to the tribe.”

Under the terms of the cancellation, Devon is entitled to a refund for all bids and other payments totaling $206,058. Half of that amount will come from a Treasury Department account that receives royalties from onshore oil and gas development and half will come from the state of Montana, which also receives royalty payments. Because the land was never developed and the area remains undisturbed, Devon does not need to pay for any reclamation.

Harry Barnes, chairman of the Blackfeet Nation Tribal Business Council, said in an interview that area has been long been a sacred spot for the tribe.

On November 17 2016 21:25 Blisse wrote:


This isn't even political. You made a statement, I'm rebutting it. Your statement lacks evidence. My claim is that the law system will never accept the charges of slander against the women. Just as the same law system will never accept their charges against him without evidence.

Why even have an opinion if contradictory evidence just makes you call me names and deflect onto SJWs. Christ.

On November 17 2016 21:39 Madkipz wrote:


and yet the media machine were allowed to gobble it up and spew it out like vomit and didn't even hesitate about smearing it all over a president elect without a thought to whether or not it was actually true. That's not journalism. It's partisan war propaganda.

On November 17 2016 21:57 LegalLord wrote:
I could easily believe that he did what they say, but I'm going to take a "proof or GTFO" stance on actually accusing him of anything.

On November 17 2016 20:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Called it.



Source

On November 17 2016 20:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Called it.



Source

On November 17 2016 22:10 Blisse wrote:
People and the media shouldn't have accepted the accusers' words as the truth without giving Trump a fair trial. However, given the stigma and result of sexual assault allegations, but mostly because Trump admitted on tape that he did assault women in some instances, it'd be unfair to the women to brand them outright as liars or paid actors.

The media should have emphasized the lack of evidence and impossibility of proving the allegations, and focused on Trump's own words in the video, taking care to not imply that the video was proof of the allegations.

It's a stupid middle ground where you have to think both sides are telling the truth, but you can't really believe either side at the same time (mainly because one side kind of admitted that he did stuff like that). Still have to lean on the side of due process though, especially if you want to be recognized as impartial media.

The way the mainstream media handled this, is the kind of stuff that pushes people towards Breitbart/alt-right news.

On November 17 2016 22:24 Gorsameth wrote:

I'm sorry but the bold part is just BS since those sites do the same thing but worse (no Trump quote equivalent in the background) when it comes to thinks like Comey's letter to congress as "Hillary is going to get prosecuted" and "Obama is a literal demon who smells of sulphur"

People flock to Breitbart/others because they like seeing their world view confirmed, not because they are some greater truth machine.

On November 17 2016 21:08 Gorsameth wrote:

Sounds like he doesn't know in detail how the situation was at the time (not unreasonable) and so cannot tell you now, in hindsight, if the measure was justifiable at the time. Adding that it doesn't sound like a good solution but that it might have been justifiable.

Overall not a terrible answer