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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 08 2016 20:46 GMT
#119721
On November 09 2016 05:45 Incognoto wrote:
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On November 09 2016 05:39 ticklishmusic wrote:
On November 09 2016 05:35 zeo wrote:
On November 09 2016 05:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
FWIW, Nevada voting has already passed the 2012 amount by a bit. 60% already vs. 56%.

http://nvsos.gov/sos/home/showdocument?id=4569

http://www.electproject.org/home/voter-turnout/voter-turnout-data


It surpassed the 2012 voter turnout by 11:15am? Thats incredible.


Actually, I need to add a caveat - looks like total active registered voters declined quite a bit from 1.8m to 1.5m (no idea why). So the absolute number is 880k right now vs. a bit over 1m, so turnout as a % is higher but not as an absolute (though it's quite possible that the latter figure will grow by a decent bit).


the population of the USA is like 300M, are you telling me that 1 out of 300 people in the USA vote or am I missing something?

I think that's about Nevada only, not the whole of the US
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 08 2016 20:49 GMT
#119722


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mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
November 08 2016 20:53 GMT
#119723
Can someone enlighten me why the election is held on a regular workday?
Why not make it a public holiday or just use a sunday? I mean, there must be some historic reason to date it as it is... so I would honestly like to know how it came to this.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-08 20:56:12
November 08 2016 20:55 GMT
#119724
On November 09 2016 05:53 mahrgell wrote:
Can someone enlighten me why the election is held on a regular workday?
Why not make it a public holiday or just use a sunday? I mean, there must be some historic reason to date it as it is... so I would honestly like to know how it came to this.

because in the olden days you had to use snailmail to get votes figured out I guess

(completly just a guess on my part)
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-08 21:03:35
November 08 2016 20:56 GMT
#119725
On November 09 2016 05:53 mahrgell wrote:
Can someone enlighten me why the election is held on a regular workday?
Why not make it a public holiday or just use a sunday? I mean, there must be some historic reason to date it as it is... so I would honestly like to know how it came to this.

There is political will behind making Election Day a national holiday; however, there are people here in the US that think we should making access to voting harder, not easier. Add in our incredibly dysfunctional Congress and there ya go.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 08 2016 20:56 GMT
#119726
the hillary/kaine ticket is on top of three parties in new york.

there's the dems, the working families party and the women's equality party.

probably a good idea to vote for the second one.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43735 Posts
November 08 2016 20:56 GMT
#119727
On November 09 2016 05:53 mahrgell wrote:
Can someone enlighten me why the election is held on a regular workday?
Why not make it a public holiday or just use a sunday? I mean, there must be some historic reason to date it as it is... so I would honestly like to know how it came to this.

According to the internet it's Tuesday because Sunday is church day and Monday is the travel day to get to the polls after church. They couldn't hold it on Saturday because you'd need a travel day to get back home in time for church on Sunday, Sunday was out obviously, Monday was the travel day after church on Sunday, that leaves Tuesday.

Some argue that those reasons no longer matter as much.
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
November 08 2016 20:57 GMT
#119728
On November 09 2016 05:53 mahrgell wrote:
Can someone enlighten me why the election is held on a regular workday?
Why not make it a public holiday or just use a sunday? I mean, there must be some historic reason to date it as it is... so I would honestly like to know how it came to this.

http://www.whytuesday.org/answer/


In 1845, before Florida, California, and Texas were states or slavery had been abolished, Congress needed to pick a time for Americans to vote. We were an agrarian society. We traveled by horse and buggy. Farmers needed a day to get to the county seat, a day to vote, and a day to get back, without interfering with the three days of worship. So that left Tuesday and Wednesday, but Wednesday was market day. So, Tuesday it was. In 1875 Congress extended the Tuesday date for national House elections and in 1914 for federal Senate elections.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 08 2016 20:58 GMT
#119729
On November 09 2016 05:53 mahrgell wrote:
Can someone enlighten me why the election is held on a regular workday?
Why not make it a public holiday or just use a sunday? I mean, there must be some historic reason to date it as it is... so I would honestly like to know how it came to this.



Everyone's favorite political source, John Oliver. (Some sarcasm intended)
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
November 08 2016 21:01 GMT
#119730
On November 09 2016 05:57 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 05:53 mahrgell wrote:
Can someone enlighten me why the election is held on a regular workday?
Why not make it a public holiday or just use a sunday? I mean, there must be some historic reason to date it as it is... so I would honestly like to know how it came to this.

http://www.whytuesday.org/answer/


Show nested quote +
In 1845, before Florida, California, and Texas were states or slavery had been abolished, Congress needed to pick a time for Americans to vote. We were an agrarian society. We traveled by horse and buggy. Farmers needed a day to get to the county seat, a day to vote, and a day to get back, without interfering with the three days of worship. So that left Tuesday and Wednesday, but Wednesday was market day. So, Tuesday it was. In 1875 Congress extended the Tuesday date for national House elections and in 1914 for federal Senate elections.


Thanks, this makes made sense.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 08 2016 21:02 GMT
#119731
This is the first time I've voted. I live in Kentucky. I did have to have an ID and sign my name on a sheet they had with the names of all registered voters (don't know if that is normal everywhere). What I was most upset about though was that I got no "I voted" sticker!!! My county banned them because people were sticking them all over the polling places and such (somewhat amusingly I went out for lunch after voting and saw an 'I voted' sticker stuck on the counter at the restaurant).
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23743 Posts
November 08 2016 21:03 GMT
#119732
On November 09 2016 05:19 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 05:15 Nyxisto wrote:
How is the legal situation in the US concerning polling during elections? Here in Germany all polling is outlawed until the polling stations close.

Same deal here.

More info: http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/11/fox-news-accused-of-breaking-exit-poll-rules-198174


MSNBC said they were releasing their first exit polling at 5pm est. First polls close at 7pm. Feels like they are going to ignore that this year.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 08 2016 21:03 GMT
#119733
On November 09 2016 06:02 Kickstart wrote:
This is the first time I've voted. I live in Kentucky. I did have to have an ID and sign my name on a sheet they had with the names of all registered voters (don't know if that is normal everywhere). What I was most upset about though was that I got no "I voted" sticker!!! My county banned them because people were sticking them all over the polling places and such (somewhat amusingly I went out for lunch after voting and saw an 'I voted' sticker stuck on the counter at the restaurant).

They stated on ctv news here that places aren't giving then out to save money (rough interpretation).
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 08 2016 21:04 GMT
#119734
On November 09 2016 06:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 05:19 LegalLord wrote:
On November 09 2016 05:15 Nyxisto wrote:
How is the legal situation in the US concerning polling during elections? Here in Germany all polling is outlawed until the polling stations close.

Same deal here.

More info: http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/11/fox-news-accused-of-breaking-exit-poll-rules-198174


MSNBC said they were releasing their first exit polling at 5pm est. First polls close at 7pm. Feels like they are going to ignore that this year.

They stated first polls close at 6pm est (ctv news)
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 08 2016 21:05 GMT
#119735
On November 09 2016 06:02 Kickstart wrote:
This is the first time I've voted. I live in Kentucky. I did have to have an ID and sign my name on a sheet they had with the names of all registered voters (don't know if that is normal everywhere). What I was most upset about though was that I got no "I voted" sticker!!! My county banned them because people were sticking them all over the polling places and such (somewhat amusingly I went out for lunch after voting and saw an 'I voted' sticker stuck on the counter at the restaurant).

Mine had them (I'm also in KY) but you had to grab them off the table as you walked out. I got asked for my ID while most others didn't. Wasn't sure if it was because I'm considerably darker than average or it was my first time at that polling station.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 08 2016 21:10 GMT
#119736
On November 09 2016 06:05 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 06:02 Kickstart wrote:
This is the first time I've voted. I live in Kentucky. I did have to have an ID and sign my name on a sheet they had with the names of all registered voters (don't know if that is normal everywhere). What I was most upset about though was that I got no "I voted" sticker!!! My county banned them because people were sticking them all over the polling places and such (somewhat amusingly I went out for lunch after voting and saw an 'I voted' sticker stuck on the counter at the restaurant).

Mine had them (I'm also in KY) but you had to grab them off the table as you walked out. I got asked for my ID while most others didn't. Wasn't sure if it was because I'm considerably darker than average or it was my first time at that polling station.

I am in Jefferson county. I met up with my sister to vote and we both wanted our sticker, she is the one who later told me that it was banned for that reason. Here is a local news thing on it http://www.wave3.com/story/33652037/no-i-voted-stickers-for-some
Our local NPR radio station saying the same thing http://wfpl.org/no-i-voted-stickers-jefferson-county/

Apparently my county hasn't given them out for quite some time now though =[.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-08 21:14:44
November 08 2016 21:11 GMT
#119737
For what it's worth, Drudge is saying that Hillary is up in Pennsylvania, and that Trump is up in Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina, Iowa, and Ohio, with "showdowns" in Colorado, Florida, Michigan, and Nevada.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
November 08 2016 21:11 GMT
#119738
I don't understand this US thinggy about ID and voting. In any other developped country, you just can't vote without an ID, but I've heard in the US there are many people that just don't have any kind of ID ? I kinda like the idea in a sense, altho I don't entirely understands it.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23743 Posts
November 08 2016 21:13 GMT
#119739
On November 09 2016 06:04 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 06:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 09 2016 05:19 LegalLord wrote:
On November 09 2016 05:15 Nyxisto wrote:
How is the legal situation in the US concerning polling during elections? Here in Germany all polling is outlawed until the polling stations close.

Same deal here.

More info: http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/11/fox-news-accused-of-breaking-exit-poll-rules-198174


MSNBC said they were releasing their first exit polling at 5pm est. First polls close at 7pm. Feels like they are going to ignore that this year.

They stated first polls close at 6pm est (ctv news)


Maybe it's some obscure ones that close then, all the countdown timers had 7pm et. Regardless, same problem. Though I don't know if it's actually a rule/law or just an agreement.

They will avoid "crossing the line" by sticking to reporting demographic info most likely, at least at first.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 08 2016 21:14 GMT
#119740
Our ID is basically our driver's licence. I believe the main issues are that there are many people who don't drive and thus don't have one (or do drive and don't have one!!!), and that it actually costs money to have it (I had to pay $20 to renew mine last time, which isn't much but for some people it can be). I'm assuming you could bring other forms of ID but im not sure~.
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