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On November 09 2016 06:11 WhiteDog wrote:
I don't understand this US thinggy about ID and voting. In any other developped country, you just can't vote without an ID, but I've heard in the US there are many people that just don't have any kind of ID ? I kinda like the idea in a sense, altho I don't entirely understands it.
The individual states handle their own electoral procedure. Any other developed country would have the Federal gov create their own registry of citizens and have them be able to pick up voting IDs at government offices. But the US exists in a weird grey area between states having control of their own affairs and efficient day to day running of government. The general compromise is that the Feds can control a lot of things which are nationally important but only if they let the individual states fuck up the execution of whatever it is they want done.
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On November 09 2016 05:55 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 05:53 mahrgell wrote:
Can someone enlighten me why the election is held on a regular workday?
Why not make it a public holiday or just use a sunday? I mean, there must be some historic reason to date it as it is... so I would honestly like to know how it came to this. because in the olden days you had to use snailmail to get votes figured out I guess (completly just a guess on my part)
It used to take a day of travel to reach a polling place back in the mid 1800s and since they did not want to have people traveling on the Sabbath (sunday) they allowed Monday as a day of travel and held the election on Tuesday.
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On November 09 2016 06:11 WhiteDog wrote:
I don't understand this US thinggy about ID and voting. In any other developped country, you just can't vote without an ID, but I've heard in the US there are many people that just don't have any kind of ID ? I kinda like the idea in a sense, altho I don't entirely understands it.
Everyone here is up in arms about how truly daunting it is for people to go and acquire a state issued ID. I personally disagree but it is an argument that is had.
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Really ? You don't have ID card dedicated for it ?
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I used to think it wasn't daunting, but the sheer amount of time and energy Republicans in NC devoted to researching the best allowable ID types to disenfrachise as many (black) Democrats as possible makes me think it probably would have a meaningful effect.
Regardless, it makes more sense to go from "give everyone an ID -> make people show it" rather than "make people show an ID -> hope everyone can get one," especially when a lot of the "dangerous" voter fraud isn't even prevented by IDs.
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On November 09 2016 06:11 WhiteDog wrote:
I don't understand this US thinggy about ID and voting. In any other developped country, you just can't vote without an ID, but I've heard in the US there are many people that just don't have any kind of ID ? I kinda like the idea in a sense, altho I don't entirely understands it.
Many other countries also don't have such weird voting registration rules, because they actually know their own people.
The entire voting process seems to be centuries old and unchanged, ignoring any modern realities. And there seems to be no political will to ever change that.
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United States44286 Posts
On November 09 2016 06:16 WhiteDog wrote:
Really ? You don't have ID card ?
Just driver's license. And if you want an idea of the process involved in getting one, well, here's my experience from two years ago.
On July 27 2016 03:45 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. When I first tried to get a state ID in the US I was told that I needed to get my old ID translated. I asked her which language she would like my British driver's license translated into and she said English. I explained that the language that we use in England is English and that if she tried I'm sure that she could read the words. She indicated the ones that she was struggling with and I explained to her that those were, in fact, numbers. She told me I had to get them translated. She was not able to indicate which language she wanted the numbers translated into. I offered to handle the translation myself but was declined. I was subsequently just able to pay a private company to get me a drivers license because the DMV wouldn't do it after two visits. The system doesn't work the way it should and while money acts a gatekeeper to getting things like the voter IDs they will remain problematic.
Different states do it differently too. In New Mexico there is the public org, the DMV, which declines everyone who wants a driver's license for no reason at all. Then there is the MVD Express, a private contractor which has been given a license by the state to issue driver's licenses for profit, who approves everyone, regardless of whether they have the documents. I had to help a guy from Michigan get an ID and up there they don't have anything like the MVD Express so you can't just spend money to bypass all the bullshit.
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Just read that out of the 100 biggest newpapers in the country,
57 endorsed Clinton
5 refused to endorse anyone
4 endorsed Johnson
3 endorsed "not Trump"
2 endorsed Trump
and the rest didn't endorse.
Of the two who endorsed Trump, one, the Las Vegas Review Journal is owned by Sheldon Adelson, a mega donour of the Trump campaign.
Congrat to the GOP, that's some fucking impressive figures.
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On November 09 2016 06:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Just read that out of the 100 biggest newpapers in the country,
57 endorsed Clinton
5 refused to endorse anyone
4 endorsed Johnson
3 endorsed "not Trump"
2 endorsed Trump
and the rest didn't endorse.
Of the two who endorsed Trump, one, the Las Vegas Review Journal is owned by Sheldon Adelson, a mega donour of the Trump campaign.
Congrat to the GOP, that's some fucking impressive figures.
Media conspiracy.
User was warned for this post
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On November 09 2016 06:18 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 06:11 WhiteDog wrote:
I don't understand this US thinggy about ID and voting. In any other developped country, you just can't vote without an ID, but I've heard in the US there are many people that just don't have any kind of ID ? I kinda like the idea in a sense, altho I don't entirely understands it. Many other countries also don't have such weird voting registration rules, because they actually know their own people. The entire voting process seems to be centuries old and unchanged, ignoring any modern realities. And there seems to be no political will to ever change that.
Our process may be old fashioned in many ways, but this notion that it is somehow ignorant of our people or whatever it is you're implying is silly. Our decentralized form of government and its related processes are a reflection of what it means to be American in more ways than one.
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Something also neat was that Evan Mcmullin was on the ballet here. I did see someone driving around with their car decked out for him.
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On November 09 2016 06:11 WhiteDog wrote:
I don't understand this US thinggy about ID and voting. In any other developped country, you just can't vote without an ID, but I've heard in the US there are many people that just don't have any kind of ID ? I kinda like the idea in a sense, altho I don't entirely understands it.
Yeah this is pretty strange. I wouldnt get my voting card without presenting an ID first.
Edit: I know why it is that way historically speaking and why some Americans prefere it that way but this is still strange for me.
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On November 09 2016 06:16 WhiteDog wrote:
Really ? You don't have ID card dedicated for it ?
Each state handles IDs differently. But if you don’t drive, there is no reason to get one in the US. We could try to create a national ID card, but it would never get through congress. To many states would see it as an expansion of federal powers, which is not a completely invalid argument.
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On November 09 2016 06:18 KwarK wrote:Just driver's license. And if you want an idea of the process involved in getting one, well, here's my experience from two years ago. Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:45 KwarK wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. When I first tried to get a state ID in the US I was told that I needed to get my old ID translated. I asked her which language she would like my British driver's license translated into and she said English. I explained that the language that we use in England is English and that if she tried I'm sure that she could read the words. She indicated the ones that she was struggling with and I explained to her that those were, in fact, numbers. She told me I had to get them translated. She was not able to indicate which language she wanted the numbers translated into. I offered to handle the translation myself but was declined. I was subsequently just able to pay a private company to get me a drivers license because the DMV wouldn't do it after two visits. The system doesn't work the way it should and while money acts a gatekeeper to getting things like the voter IDs they will remain problematic.
Did you pause and reconsider whether you really wanted to wear the placard of "American citizen"? I mean most of us are born this way, you chose to join this circus.
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On November 09 2016 05:49 ticklishmusic wrote:
Awesome. I feel like NC is going to purely come down to voter turnout. If black people are allowed to vote, Trump will lose. Simple as that.
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What the hell is this oneof. Is it a real project ? Forced ID microchips implant ? Reading through a blog, I've learned that somehow the obamacare makes "execution by guillotine legal". lol
And lol Kwark. You should have told her the numbers were arabic, you'd be back in the UK by now.
On November 09 2016 06:21 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 06:18 mahrgell wrote:On November 09 2016 06:11 WhiteDog wrote:
I don't understand this US thinggy about ID and voting. In any other developped country, you just can't vote without an ID, but I've heard in the US there are many people that just don't have any kind of ID ? I kinda like the idea in a sense, altho I don't entirely understands it. Many other countries also don't have such weird voting registration rules, because they actually know their own people. The entire voting process seems to be centuries old and unchanged, ignoring any modern realities. And there seems to be no political will to ever change that. Our process may be old fashioned in many ways, but this notion that it is somehow ignorant of our people or whatever it is you're implying is silly. Our decentralized form of government and its related processes are a reflection of what it means to be American in more ways than one.
Yeah I kinda like the spirit of it all, but it seems really weird in practice.
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On November 09 2016 05:56 oneofthem wrote:
the hillary/kaine ticket is on top of three parties in new york.
there's the dems, the working families party and the women's equality party.
probably a good idea to vote for the second one.
Umm why? Does voting for a different party with the same candidates do anything? I thought it was just them being thorough and really doesn't make a difference since you're voting for the same people anyway.
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United States44286 Posts
On November 09 2016 06:24 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 06:18 KwarK wrote:On November 09 2016 06:16 WhiteDog wrote:
Really ? You don't have ID card ? Just driver's license. And if you want an idea of the process involved in getting one, well, here's my experience from two years ago. On July 27 2016 03:45 KwarK wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. When I first tried to get a state ID in the US I was told that I needed to get my old ID translated. I asked her which language she would like my British driver's license translated into and she said English. I explained that the language that we use in England is English and that if she tried I'm sure that she could read the words. She indicated the ones that she was struggling with and I explained to her that those were, in fact, numbers. She told me I had to get them translated. She was not able to indicate which language she wanted the numbers translated into. I offered to handle the translation myself but was declined. I was subsequently just able to pay a private company to get me a drivers license because the DMV wouldn't do it after two visits. The system doesn't work the way it should and while money acts a gatekeeper to getting things like the voter IDs they will remain problematic. Did you pause and reconsider whether you really wanted to wear the placard of "American citizen"? I mean most of us are born this way, you chose to join this circus.
It'd be an amazing country if there weren't so many Americans in it. I think we should just transplant the native population with British expats.
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Heh, was sorta expecting a warning for that joke.
On November 09 2016 06:26 WhiteDog wrote:What the hell is this oneof. Is it a real project ? Forced ID microchips implant ? Reading through a blog, I've learned that somehow the obamacare makes "execution by guillotine legal". lol And lol Kwark. You should have told her the numbers were arabic, you'd be back in the UK by now. Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 06:21 farvacola wrote:On November 09 2016 06:18 mahrgell wrote:On November 09 2016 06:11 WhiteDog wrote:
I don't understand this US thinggy about ID and voting. In any other developped country, you just can't vote without an ID, but I've heard in the US there are many people that just don't have any kind of ID ? I kinda like the idea in a sense, altho I don't entirely understands it. Many other countries also don't have such weird voting registration rules, because they actually know their own people. The entire voting process seems to be centuries old and unchanged, ignoring any modern realities. And there seems to be no political will to ever change that. Our process may be old fashioned in many ways, but this notion that it is somehow ignorant of our people or whatever it is you're implying is silly. Our decentralized form of government and its related processes are a reflection of what it means to be American in more ways than one. Yeah I kinda like the spirit of it all, but it seems really weird in practice.
Some people don't want government funds to be used for IDs. Some think that forcing IDs for everyone, where it indicates address, name, etc, is to put them on a master list. Some think that IDs should be paid for. And all these people together make it difficult to implement having IDs for everyone.
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