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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-04 15:03:04
November 04 2016 15:01 GMT
#118261
On November 05 2016 00:00 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 23:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On November 04 2016 23:26 farvacola wrote:
On November 04 2016 23:25 Uldridge wrote:
Will this have been the most drama filled election in US history?
It's just astounding howmuch shit keeps hitting the fan every moment.. Truly incredible

I doubt it; the elections leading up to and surrounding the Civil War likely put this one to shame in that department, though it's virtually impossible to go about qualifying such an observation.

Decent chance whoever wins that there will be a civil war in the US again.
We're just looking at polar opposites the two sides here.
Can you imagine for instance San Francisco if Trump wins?
Chaos.Ungovernable.Guaranteed riots in the streets, guaranteed.

The thing about hippies is that they don't have the guns. Mass unrest ok, but civil war is a long shot. In the end who cares about a few broken windows.

lol, try trespassing onto a weed farm in NorCal and then come tell me that hippies don't have guns
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
November 04 2016 15:03 GMT
#118262
On November 04 2016 23:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 23:26 farvacola wrote:
On November 04 2016 23:25 Uldridge wrote:
Will this have been the most drama filled election in US history?
It's just astounding howmuch shit keeps hitting the fan every moment.. Truly incredible

I doubt it; the elections leading up to and surrounding the Civil War likely put this one to shame in that department, though it's virtually impossible to go about qualifying such an observation.

Decent chance whoever wins that there will be a civil war in the US again.
We're just looking at polar opposites the two sides here.
Can you imagine for instance San Francisco if Trump wins?
Chaos.Ungovernable.Guaranteed riots in the streets, guaranteed.
A Clinton win, just 11 days after a fresh FBI investigation launched? No, that ain't healthy for civil order either.

Don't be ridiculous. There won't be a civil war over the result of a single election.
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6284 Posts
November 04 2016 15:04 GMT
#118263
On November 05 2016 00:01 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 00:00 zeo wrote:
On November 04 2016 23:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On November 04 2016 23:26 farvacola wrote:
On November 04 2016 23:25 Uldridge wrote:
Will this have been the most drama filled election in US history?
It's just astounding howmuch shit keeps hitting the fan every moment.. Truly incredible

I doubt it; the elections leading up to and surrounding the Civil War likely put this one to shame in that department, though it's virtually impossible to go about qualifying such an observation.

Decent chance whoever wins that there will be a civil war in the US again.
We're just looking at polar opposites the two sides here.
Can you imagine for instance San Francisco if Trump wins?
Chaos.Ungovernable.Guaranteed riots in the streets, guaranteed.

The thing about hippies is that they don't have the guns. Mass unrest ok, but civil war is a long shot. In the end who cares about a few broken windows.

lol, try trespassing onto a weed farm in NorCal and then come tell me that hippies don't have funs

Years from now children will be reading about the Groovy Revolution of 2017.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
November 04 2016 15:06 GMT
#118264
All I'm saying is that there are reasons aside from access to guns that counsel against thinking a hippy revolution likely. This is America, after all.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
November 04 2016 15:08 GMT
#118265
On November 05 2016 00:03 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 23:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On November 04 2016 23:26 farvacola wrote:
On November 04 2016 23:25 Uldridge wrote:
Will this have been the most drama filled election in US history?
It's just astounding howmuch shit keeps hitting the fan every moment.. Truly incredible

I doubt it; the elections leading up to and surrounding the Civil War likely put this one to shame in that department, though it's virtually impossible to go about qualifying such an observation.

Decent chance whoever wins that there will be a civil war in the US again.
We're just looking at polar opposites the two sides here.
Can you imagine for instance San Francisco if Trump wins?
Chaos.Ungovernable.Guaranteed riots in the streets, guaranteed.
A Clinton win, just 11 days after a fresh FBI investigation launched? No, that ain't healthy for civil order either.

Don't be ridiculous. There won't be a civil war over the result of a single election.

Has there been a time since the civil war when America was this divided?
And IMO the division is getting worse not better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
November 04 2016 15:10 GMT
#118266
Like how Baier had to walk back his FBI reporting by saying he spoke inartfully .
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-04 15:22:29
November 04 2016 15:22 GMT
#118267
On November 05 2016 00:08 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 00:03 The_Templar wrote:
On November 04 2016 23:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On November 04 2016 23:26 farvacola wrote:
On November 04 2016 23:25 Uldridge wrote:
Will this have been the most drama filled election in US history?
It's just astounding howmuch shit keeps hitting the fan every moment.. Truly incredible

I doubt it; the elections leading up to and surrounding the Civil War likely put this one to shame in that department, though it's virtually impossible to go about qualifying such an observation.

Decent chance whoever wins that there will be a civil war in the US again.
We're just looking at polar opposites the two sides here.
Can you imagine for instance San Francisco if Trump wins?
Chaos.Ungovernable.Guaranteed riots in the streets, guaranteed.
A Clinton win, just 11 days after a fresh FBI investigation launched? No, that ain't healthy for civil order either.

Don't be ridiculous. There won't be a civil war over the result of a single election.

Has there been a time since the civil war when America was this divided?
And IMO the division is getting worse not better.


The irony is which is that Neoliberlism is to blame for such a split and both isdes opposing one another don't seem to understand it.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42640 Posts
November 04 2016 15:28 GMT
#118268
zeo, Nettles, no more of how Clinton's aide's brother makes weird art/performance stuff. Thanks.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 04 2016 15:32 GMT
#118269
On November 05 2016 00:01 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 00:00 zeo wrote:
On November 04 2016 23:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On November 04 2016 23:26 farvacola wrote:
On November 04 2016 23:25 Uldridge wrote:
Will this have been the most drama filled election in US history?
It's just astounding howmuch shit keeps hitting the fan every moment.. Truly incredible

I doubt it; the elections leading up to and surrounding the Civil War likely put this one to shame in that department, though it's virtually impossible to go about qualifying such an observation.

Decent chance whoever wins that there will be a civil war in the US again.
We're just looking at polar opposites the two sides here.
Can you imagine for instance San Francisco if Trump wins?
Chaos.Ungovernable.Guaranteed riots in the streets, guaranteed.

The thing about hippies is that they don't have the guns. Mass unrest ok, but civil war is a long shot. In the end who cares about a few broken windows.

lol, try trespassing onto a weed farm in NorCal and then come tell me that hippies don't have guns

I know people who have done that, and while things may have changed, I promise you that they weren't hippies several years ago.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42640 Posts
November 04 2016 15:35 GMT
#118270
Incidentally Clinton's polling in the 6 swing states is up as of today, but NH is down. So she's losing ground if she's relying on the firewall and expecting to lose 6/6 but she's gaining options, even if NH falls. She's still a considerable favourite, her lose condition is "what if the polls are wrong, and in a significant way" which is entirely possible. Trump's lose condition is "what if the polls aren't wrong".
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
November 04 2016 15:39 GMT
#118271
On November 05 2016 00:35 KwarK wrote:
Incidentally Clinton's polling in the 6 swing states is up as of today, but NH is down. So she's losing ground if she's relying on the firewall and expecting to lose 6/6 but she's gaining options, even if NH falls. She's still a considerable favourite, her lose condition is "what if the polls are wrong, and in a significant way" which is entirely possible. Trump's lose condition is "what if the polls aren't wrong".

Still, it's a far cry from the "Trump has to go 7 for 6 in battleground states he's losing" that we had only a week ago. The election is too close for comfort.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42640 Posts
November 04 2016 15:41 GMT
#118272
On November 05 2016 00:39 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 00:35 KwarK wrote:
Incidentally Clinton's polling in the 6 swing states is up as of today, but NH is down. So she's losing ground if she's relying on the firewall and expecting to lose 6/6 but she's gaining options, even if NH falls. She's still a considerable favourite, her lose condition is "what if the polls are wrong, and in a significant way" which is entirely possible. Trump's lose condition is "what if the polls aren't wrong".

Still, it's a far cry from the "Trump has to go 7 for 6 in battleground states he's losing" that we had only a week ago. The election is too close for comfort.

Yeah. It's been crazy. I'm amazed so many people shifted so fast. 4 more days can't be over soon enough.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 04 2016 15:44 GMT
#118273
On November 05 2016 00:41 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 00:39 LegalLord wrote:
On November 05 2016 00:35 KwarK wrote:
Incidentally Clinton's polling in the 6 swing states is up as of today, but NH is down. So she's losing ground if she's relying on the firewall and expecting to lose 6/6 but she's gaining options, even if NH falls. She's still a considerable favourite, her lose condition is "what if the polls are wrong, and in a significant way" which is entirely possible. Trump's lose condition is "what if the polls aren't wrong".

Still, it's a far cry from the "Trump has to go 7 for 6 in battleground states he's losing" that we had only a week ago. The election is too close for comfort.

Yeah. It's been crazy. I'm amazed so many people shifted so fast. 4 more days can't be over soon enough.

The ongoing theory is that hold out Republicans decided to back Trump, which lead to the sharp rise as they entered the “likely voters” equation.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1352 Posts
November 04 2016 15:45 GMT
#118274
On November 04 2016 13:32 Mohdoo wrote:
Is Monday too late to release a bombshell?



Sunday prime time would be the best,everyone is watching tv and the news.
Monday is to late. I don't think anything more is coming though.
juliansniff
Profile Joined August 2011
United States50 Posts
November 04 2016 15:47 GMT
#118275
As someone who has really only become politically sentient during this election, are the polling levels for third party candidates usually this high? The amount of support that Gary Johnson is garnering is sickening. I don't understand how anyone can support him after watching any of his interviews. I'm terrified this is going to be another Ralph Nader/Al Gore fiasco, except with even more dire consequences.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21665 Posts
November 04 2016 15:51 GMT
#118276
On November 05 2016 00:47 Oswald wrote:
As someone who has really only become politically sentient during this election, are the polling levels for third party candidates usually this high? The amount of support that Gary Johnson is garnering is sickening. I don't understand how anyone can support him after watching any of his interviews. I'm terrified this is going to be another Ralph Nader/Al Gore fiasco, except with even more dire consequences.

Because both main candidates are seen as unfavorable more people will gravitate towards 3e party.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
November 04 2016 15:52 GMT
#118277
On November 05 2016 00:47 Oswald wrote:
As someone who has really only become politically sentient during this election, are the polling levels for third party candidates usually this high? The amount of support that Gary Johnson is garnering is sickening. I don't understand how anyone can support him after watching any of his interviews. I'm terrified this is going to be another Ralph Nader/Al Gore fiasco, except with even more dire consequences.

No, they aren't - and there's a reason why they have lost a lot of steam recently. The lion's share of third party defectors is going to Trump though, which explains his rise right now.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1352 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-04 15:53:50
November 04 2016 15:53 GMT
#118278
On November 04 2016 23:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
The government, delivering the last major snapshot of the economy before Election Day, reported on Friday that employers added 161,000 workers in October, a performance that suggested a healthy outlook for the months ahead.

The official unemployment rate dropped to 4.9 percent, from 5 percent. And average hourly earnings rose 2.8 percent year over year, a level not reached since 2008.

“It was pretty positive across the board,” said David Berson, chief economist at Nationwide Insurance, adding that “most importantly, we got a nice jump in average hourly earnings and that actually corresponds with other data.”

While the final weeks of the presidential campaign seemed to be preoccupied with everything but the economy, Friday’s report from the Labor Department refocused attention — at least briefly — on the crucial bread-and-butter issue: jobs. For the candidates, the latest employment report serves as a Rorschach test, allowing each side to offer its own distinctive narrative of the economy’s performance and prospects.

As Vincent Reinhart, chief economist at Standish Mellon, explained, “The main message is from the payroll report: Jobs are being created and earnings are going up.” But a report that goes “right down the middle of the fairway,” he added, “means you can spin it any way you want.”

Donald J. Trump, who was propelled to the top of the Republican ticket in part by nagging economic anxiety and a surge in voter anger among the white working class, has emphasized the negatives.

He has argued that jobs have been disappearing, highlighting the continuing loss of well-paid manufacturing jobs as production moves to other countries. October’s report showed continued decline in that sector, with the loss of 9,000 jobs.

The Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton, by contrast, has emphasized the progress that President Obama made in digging the country out of the recession, pointing to the creation of roughly 15 million jobs since 2010.

The data on Friday also showed that more jobs were created in August and September than previously estimated. The revisions showed 44,000 more positions had been created, bringing the monthly average over the last three months to 176,000. Even more encouraging was the robust bump in wages, the most concrete sign that the labor market is tightening, and that ordinary workers are finally getting a slice of the rewards.


Source


It can only get worse you would think,the coming president will have a difficult time with the economy either way. The current economy is artificially inflated with like 3 trillion+ dollars. Fed planning to tighten. Maybe a trump presidency would not be that bad ,then they have an outsider to blame. Replace him in 1-2 years and we are ready for the next monetairy boom.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 04 2016 15:54 GMT
#118279
it would be a very high showing for radical politics.


We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 04 2016 15:55 GMT
#118280
On November 05 2016 00:53 pmh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 23:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The government, delivering the last major snapshot of the economy before Election Day, reported on Friday that employers added 161,000 workers in October, a performance that suggested a healthy outlook for the months ahead.

The official unemployment rate dropped to 4.9 percent, from 5 percent. And average hourly earnings rose 2.8 percent year over year, a level not reached since 2008.

“It was pretty positive across the board,” said David Berson, chief economist at Nationwide Insurance, adding that “most importantly, we got a nice jump in average hourly earnings and that actually corresponds with other data.”

While the final weeks of the presidential campaign seemed to be preoccupied with everything but the economy, Friday’s report from the Labor Department refocused attention — at least briefly — on the crucial bread-and-butter issue: jobs. For the candidates, the latest employment report serves as a Rorschach test, allowing each side to offer its own distinctive narrative of the economy’s performance and prospects.

As Vincent Reinhart, chief economist at Standish Mellon, explained, “The main message is from the payroll report: Jobs are being created and earnings are going up.” But a report that goes “right down the middle of the fairway,” he added, “means you can spin it any way you want.”

Donald J. Trump, who was propelled to the top of the Republican ticket in part by nagging economic anxiety and a surge in voter anger among the white working class, has emphasized the negatives.

He has argued that jobs have been disappearing, highlighting the continuing loss of well-paid manufacturing jobs as production moves to other countries. October’s report showed continued decline in that sector, with the loss of 9,000 jobs.

The Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton, by contrast, has emphasized the progress that President Obama made in digging the country out of the recession, pointing to the creation of roughly 15 million jobs since 2010.

The data on Friday also showed that more jobs were created in August and September than previously estimated. The revisions showed 44,000 more positions had been created, bringing the monthly average over the last three months to 176,000. Even more encouraging was the robust bump in wages, the most concrete sign that the labor market is tightening, and that ordinary workers are finally getting a slice of the rewards.


Source


It can only get worse you would think,the coming president will have a difficult time with the economy either way. The current economy is artificially inflated with like 3 trillion+ dollars. Fed planning to tighten. Maybe a trump presidency would not be that bad ,then they have an outsider to blame. Replace him in 1-2 years and we are ready for the next monetairy boom.

Um….they can’t remove a president for doing a bad job. Its 4 years until we find out they committed some terrible crime. And then congress has to remove them.
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