US Politics Mega-thread - Page 5914

On November 05 2016 00:00 zeo wrote:

The thing about hippies is that they don't have the guns. Mass unrest ok, but civil war is a long shot. In the end who cares about a few broken windows.

On November 04 2016 23:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:

Decent chance whoever wins that there will be a civil war in the US again.
We're just looking at polar opposites the two sides here.
Can you imagine for instance San Francisco if Trump wins?
Chaos.Ungovernable.Guaranteed riots in the streets, guaranteed.
A Clinton win, just 11 days after a fresh FBI investigation launched? No, that ain't healthy for civil order either.

On November 05 2016 00:03 The_Templar wrote:

Don't be ridiculous. There won't be a civil war over the result of a single election.

On November 05 2016 00:00 zeo wrote:

The thing about hippies is that they don't have the guns. Mass unrest ok, but civil war is a long shot. In the end who cares about a few broken windows.

On November 05 2016 00:35 KwarK wrote:
Incidentally Clinton's polling in the 6 swing states is up as of today, but NH is down. So she's losing ground if she's relying on the firewall and expecting to lose 6/6 but she's gaining options, even if NH falls. She's still a considerable favourite, her lose condition is "what if the polls are wrong, and in a significant way" which is entirely possible. Trump's lose condition is "what if the polls aren't wrong".

On November 05 2016 00:39 LegalLord wrote:

Still, it's a far cry from the "Trump has to go 7 for 6 in battleground states he's losing" that we had only a week ago. The election is too close for comfort.

The government, delivering the last major snapshot of the economy before Election Day, reported on Friday that employers added 161,000 workers in October, a performance that suggested a healthy outlook for the months ahead.

The official unemployment rate dropped to 4.9 percent, from 5 percent. And average hourly earnings rose 2.8 percent year over year, a level not reached since 2008.

“It was pretty positive across the board,” said David Berson, chief economist at Nationwide Insurance, adding that “most importantly, we got a nice jump in average hourly earnings and that actually corresponds with other data.”

While the final weeks of the presidential campaign seemed to be preoccupied with everything but the economy, Friday’s report from the Labor Department refocused attention — at least briefly — on the crucial bread-and-butter issue: jobs. For the candidates, the latest employment report serves as a Rorschach test, allowing each side to offer its own distinctive narrative of the economy’s performance and prospects.

As Vincent Reinhart, chief economist at Standish Mellon, explained, “The main message is from the payroll report: Jobs are being created and earnings are going up.” But a report that goes “right down the middle of the fairway,” he added, “means you can spin it any way you want.”

Donald J. Trump, who was propelled to the top of the Republican ticket in part by nagging economic anxiety and a surge in voter anger among the white working class, has emphasized the negatives.

He has argued that jobs have been disappearing, highlighting the continuing loss of well-paid manufacturing jobs as production moves to other countries. October’s report showed continued decline in that sector, with the loss of 9,000 jobs.

The Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton, by contrast, has emphasized the progress that President Obama made in digging the country out of the recession, pointing to the creation of roughly 15 million jobs since 2010.

The data on Friday also showed that more jobs were created in August and September than previously estimated. The revisions showed 44,000 more positions had been created, bringing the monthly average over the last three months to 176,000. Even more encouraging was the robust bump in wages, the most concrete sign that the labor market is tightening, and that ordinary workers are finally getting a slice of the rewards.