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Reivax
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden214 Posts
November 04 2016 13:51 GMT
#118221
On November 04 2016 21:45 OuchyDathurts wrote:
This is the dumbest tangent I've ever seen in this thread. No one cares.


It does come from the guy with the dumbest (readable) posts.

He's a very interesting specimen, a yuuuge part of the draw of the US megapol thread.

That and xDaunts election year meltdowns (misunderstand me right here, you seem like a cool dude even if your views don't align with mine xD ). I still remember how convinced he was of Romneys victory 2012.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
November 04 2016 13:51 GMT
#118222
On November 04 2016 22:41 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 22:38 GoTuNk! wrote:
On November 04 2016 22:29 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On November 04 2016 22:28 zeo wrote:
On November 04 2016 21:43 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On November 04 2016 20:52 Acrofales wrote:
On November 04 2016 20:39 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
This "Spirit Cooking" thing is certainly the strangest thing to come out of the wikileaks emails so far.The email received by Tony Podesta (Who then asked his brother John) is from Marina Abramovic who says

From: Marina Abramovic <marinaxabramovic@gmail.com<mailto:marinaxabramovic@gmail.com>>
Date: June 28, 2015 at 2:35:08 AM GMT+2
To: Tony Podesta <podesta@podesta.com<mailto:podesta@podesta.com>>
Subject: Dinner

Dear Tony,

I am so looking forward to the Spirit Cooking dinner at my place. Do you think you will be able to let me know if your brother is joining?

All my love, Marina


Youtube video showing the very same Marina Abramovic doing a "spirit cooking" session


Original email : https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15893

I agree that this is truly newsworthy. The brother of Hillary's campaign's chairman is into some weird performance art.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1jctbp/i_am_performance_artist_marina_abramovic_ask_me/cbdebyl/

Everything depends on which context you are doing what you are doing. If you are doing the occult magic in the context of art or in a gallery, then it is the art. If you are doing it in different context, in spiritual circles or private house or on TV shows, it is not art. The intention, the context for what is made, and where it is made defines what art is or not.


MARINA ABRAMOVIC - Reddit Q&A

You would think the same Puritans that clutch their pearls and feint when they hear the word 'pussy' would have a stronger reaction to satanic rituals but I guess Clinton aides sacrificing animals to Moloch and drinking/eating blood, semen and breast milk is not that big of a deal... compared to 'pussy'.


You're an idiot if you think anyone cares about the word pussy. Good try though!


Except now this is getting spinned into Bill Clinton's assosiation with a known pedophile.

Disclaimer: Do not criticize the source as is. I am not saying any of the below is true, but rather pointing out a site with a huge amount of traffic, regardless you like Cernovich or not.

"Add “Spirit Cooking” to the latest sex cult practices of the Clinton inner circle, which also includes child trafficking.

Additional emails from the release reveal Hillary’s efforts to protect Laura Silsby, who was caught trafficking 33 children from Haiti. Where were those children being smuggled to?

Perhaps those children were destined for Jeffrey Epstein’s “pedophile island,” a sex cult resort that Bill Clinton visited dozens of times. Notably, Clinton refused to allow his Secret Service detail to accompany him several times.

Former President Bill Clinton was a much more frequent flyer on a registered sex offender’s infamous jet than previously reported, with flight logs showing the former president taking at least 26 trips aboard the “Lolita Express” — even apparently ditching his Secret Service detail for at least five of the flights, according to records obtained by FoxNews.com."

Fox News Article: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/13/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known.html

Source: http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/11/03/podesta-emails-reveal-clintons-inner-circle-as-sex-cult-with-connections-to-human-trafficking/

Wait. I know this one! Is the known pedofile Donald J. Trump?


Former President Bill Clinton was a much more frequent flyer on a registered sex offender’s infamous jet than previously reported, with flight logs showing the former president taking at least 26 trips aboard the “Lolita Express” -- even apparently ditching his Secret Service detail for at least five of the flights, according to records obtained by FoxNews.com.

Clinton’s presence aboard Jeffrey Epstein’s Boeing 727 on 11 occasions has been reported, but flight logs show the number is more than double that, and trips between 2001 and 2003 included extended junkets around the world with Epstein and fellow passengers identified on manifests by their initials or first names, including “Tatiana.” The tricked-out jet earned its Nabakov-inspired nickname because it was reportedly outfitted with a bed where passengers had group sex with young girls.

“Bill Clinton … associated with a man like Jeffrey Epstein, who everyone in New York, certainly within his inner circles, knew was a pedophile,” said Conchita Sarnoff, of the Washington, D.C. based non-profit Alliance to Rescue Victims of Trafficking, and author of a book on the Epstein case called "TrafficKing." “Why would a former president associate with a man like that?”


To be fair:

Other politicians, celebrities and businessmen, including presidential candidate Donald Trump, have been accused of fraternizing with Epstein. Trump lawyer Alan Garten told FoxNews.com in a statement Trump and Epstein are not pals.

“There was no relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump,” he said. “They were not friends and they did not socialize together.”


Nevertheless, the "spiritin cooking" is simply disgusting and will for sure generate some impact on the electorate, christian or not.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18280 Posts
November 04 2016 13:55 GMT
#118223
This is truly fascinating stuff. Please tell me more!
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
November 04 2016 13:58 GMT
#118224
Ruth Bader Ginsburg took a class taught by Nabokov while at Cornell, where is Fox's reporting on this? Disgusting.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-04 14:03:14
November 04 2016 14:02 GMT
#118225
On November 04 2016 22:39 TheTenthDoc wrote:
The irony of people finding those links meaningful while dismissing Trump/Russia ties as conspiracy is palpable.


This applies to every Hillary 'conspiracy.' Shocking level of cognitive dissonance. They are all Sherlock Holmes when it comes to Hillary but are more akin to Homer Simpson when it comes to Trump issues.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
November 04 2016 14:04 GMT
#118226
On November 04 2016 17:29 fluidrone wrote:
Hi!

Could any of you "debaters" direct me to links that showcase the programs of the two candidates? What they propose to do when elected? Links to communicating platforms on the issues "at stake". That is what should be argued about no?

Or is that a triggering bait request? (the fact that no one discusses substance anymore anywhere at any time and that "what the candidates/parties propose to do" is what the important thing is (vital), as opposed to anything else which is irrelevant).
Remind me please, what is the % of voters ?


Hillary supporters talk about it all the time.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-04 14:16:51
November 04 2016 14:06 GMT
#118227
On November 04 2016 15:34 Nyxisto wrote:
As LegalLord pointed out a few pages ago Nate and Princeton(for example) use two very different approaches. Nate goes with a very complex model which can be prone to overfitting (misinterpreting noise as meaningful data) while the Princeton guy goes with a statistical model that is based on fewer assumptions and less on historical data, which can be more biased(methodologically wrong) but is less prone to overreact when changes come in. There's no real way to tell which better, it's an age old discussion and pretty much a matter of taste, but I think Nate is putting too much focus on changes right now.

Overfitting is definitely a valid concern for Nate's model, and he has mentioned as such. His model is prone to very aggressive changes in results. It tends to converge to reality in the last few days but that is one of the concerns with his model that need acknowledging.

PEC just uses a questionable method. Trump's chances are definitely better than 3%. He really could win under not so unfeasible circumstances. Read their FAQ and you'll see "well our method has failed before, it failed to predict this and that election... but we fixed it and it's all good now guys!" I call BS.

On November 04 2016 22:45 zatic wrote:
As an outside observer, the last two pages have been the dumbest in this thread so far.

Can we get back to US Politics please.

Oh, trust me, that's not even close.

Actually... maybe. I'm starting to reconsider.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-04 14:29:10
November 04 2016 14:07 GMT
#118228
On November 04 2016 23:02 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 22:39 TheTenthDoc wrote:
The irony of people finding those links meaningful while dismissing Trump/Russia ties as conspiracy is palpable.


This applies to every Hillary 'conspiracy.' Shocking level of cognitive dissonance. They are all Sherlock Holmes when it comes to Hillary but are more akin to Homer Simpson when it comes to Trump issues.


I am simply saying the following images are disturbing and will 100% have impact.

+ Show Spoiler [disturbing images] +

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“I am so looking forward to the Spirit Cooking dinner at my place. Do you think you will be able to let me know if your brother is joining?”

Do you think the emails are fake, or that no one will care about such images?

User was warned for this post
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 04 2016 14:12 GMT
#118229
can someone explain why it says givenchy and then some russian words in the corner of the picture with the lady
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 04 2016 14:13 GMT
#118230
This is beyond stupid. Either A: its was a joke in the office that made its way to an email B: someone is into weird things and that is fine. C: It was an email from someone that he didn’t want.

Did he reply? Because email is open facing, people can just send you things and you get them. Was this in his deleted folder where he did not reply to it?

Emails without context are garbage.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4411 Posts
November 04 2016 14:13 GMT
#118231
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/feds-probe-terror-attack-day-election-report-article-1.2857931

Officials investigating possible Al Qaeda terror attack planned for day before election: report

Federal officials are investigating reports of possible Al Qaeda terror attacks on the U.S. the day before the election.

Three states — New York, Texas and Virginia — are considered possible targets for the planned Monday attacks, FBI sources told CBS News. No more specific cities or locations were mentioned.

Officials have not confirmed the reports, and sources told the news network that the credibility of the threats is still being assessed.

“The counterterrorism and homeland security communities remain vigilant and well-postured to defend against attacks here in the United States,” the sourced told CBS News.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 04 2016 14:13 GMT
#118232
On November 04 2016 16:07 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 15:34 Nyxisto wrote:
As LegalLord pointed out a few pages ago Nate and Princeton(for example) use two very different approaches. Nate goes with a very complex model which can be prone to overfitting (misinterpreting noise as meaningful data) while the Princeton guy goes with a statistical model that is based on fewer assumptions and less on historical data, which can be more biased(methodologically wrong) but is less prone to overreact when changes come in. There's no real way to tell which better, it's an age old discussion and pretty much a matter of taste, but I think Nate is putting too much focus on changes right now.

If only there was a site that could aggregate the aggregators

Wouldn't work. You aggregate polls to increase your sample size and hopefully compensate for some errors in bias. The issues there are many and the pollster rating is really at the core of what makes 538 what it is. Aggregating statistical approaches makes no sense because you're just throwing together a bunch of statistical analyses, not all of which make sense. It's obvious to anyone who has looked at at least a few of these predictor models that a lot of them are scientifically mediocre and have a lot of hand-on-the-scale adjustments in outcome to push a result they want to be true.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
November 04 2016 14:15 GMT
#118233
On November 04 2016 22:18 Danglars wrote:

(http://bit.ly/2fC8HBA to zoom in, link's broken like so much in 2016)
Just in case you need a recap on the issues, guys.


I recommend: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/grading-the-presidential-candidates-on-science/

For policy. Especially because it covers topics that aren't the core talking point for each candidate rather than letting them get by with just a few policy issues in a few key areas.
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4411 Posts
November 04 2016 14:17 GMT
#118234
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-6022.html

Trump ahead now in NH aggregate, graph looking ugly for Clinton there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 04 2016 14:18 GMT
#118235
silver is much more of a forecaster than simple analyst of polling statistic. pec has a more academic conservative approach in not putting random stuff into the model. it is basically two different goals, prediction vs distilling polling information.

the forecast part of pec is simple and not the central focus of their thing. it is rather the state poll aggregate snapshots
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 04 2016 14:23 GMT
#118236
@Gotunk For fucks sake, at least spoiler the images. I'm not interested in seeing that shit every time I re-read this page. Nor is anyone else.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5119 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-04 14:26:06
November 04 2016 14:25 GMT
#118237
Will this have been the most drama filled election in US history?
It's just astounding howmuch shit keeps hitting the fan every moment.. Truly incredible
Taxes are for Terrans
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-04 14:27:11
November 04 2016 14:26 GMT
#118238
On November 04 2016 23:25 Uldridge wrote:
Will this have been the most drama filled election in US history?


It was 8 months ago? Pretty much the moment that a serious contender for the Republican Nominee started his campaign by stereotyping Mexicans as rapists.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18280 Posts
November 04 2016 14:26 GMT
#118239
It's clearly time to go back to US Politics. And youtube thought so too with its recommendations for me today:


I had totally forgotten that whole twitter debacle thing. It's hilarious. And more so with Jon Stewart reading them to us
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-04 14:27:10
November 04 2016 14:26 GMT
#118240
On November 04 2016 23:25 Uldridge wrote:
Will this have been the most drama filled election in US history?
It's just astounding howmuch shit keeps hitting the fan every moment.. Truly incredible

I doubt it; the elections leading up to and surrounding the Civil War likely put this one to shame in that department, though it's virtually impossible to go about qualifying such an observation.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
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