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Doodsmack
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KwarK
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On October 13 2016 10:17 Doodsmack wrote: Imagine how infuriated Donald is right now. Word is his brand and business are taking a hit from all this, too. I hope he uses the third debate as a platform to attack the media, this coordinated character assassination is ridiculous. Meanwhile nobody cares the Clinton campaign shit talked catholics, oh but if it were muslims though the outrage! | ||
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
On October 13 2016 10:17 Doodsmack wrote: Imagine how infuriated Donald is right now. Word is his brand and business are taking a hit from all this, too. I think its pretty clear his brand is ruined for the greater majority of his business. A majority of the populace is not going to see anything with trump in its name in a positive light. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On October 13 2016 10:16 Sermokala wrote: Did you even read I'm saying right there that the government is capable of unbiased research and that I would value it. How you miss such a simple argument such as The research isn't the problem What people will do with the research is the problem Is beyond me. At least you're consistent in being obstinate with that comment about it being a tactic. The problem with GOVERNMENT research being biased is that it being GOVERNMENT research means that it has a greater authority on the issue then that of a third party doing the research. You can bet your ass you won't give NRA research a half look as much as you would "women against gun violence" because they're clearly both agenda based organizations. But if its the government doing the research then it has weight and is suppose to be unbiased. so It being partisan is a big issue because you're giveing one side or the other extra support. That's not how science works. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On October 13 2016 10:20 biology]major wrote: I hope he uses the third debate as a platform to attack the media, this coordinated character assassination is ridiculous. Meanwhile nobody cares the Clinton campaign shit talked catholics, oh but if it were muslims though the outrage! If it's true, is it character assassination? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On October 13 2016 08:13 Mohdoo wrote: I think that this is such a unique situation that people are not fully grasping just how unique it is. The idea of not supporting a republican running against Clinton must feel like such an utterly ridiculous and unthinkable thing that people are having a hard time seeing "Wait, maybe this situation is so utterly fucked up that yes, it actually *does* make sense". And it is understandable. Voting for a republican feels absurd to me. I can't imagine a situation where I'd vote for a republican. But what if Ja Rule was the democratic nominee? Michael Moore? Maybe I actually would vote R. It's hard to put myself in a situation where my nominee was truly unqualified and had absolutely no business being president under any circumstances. But that's what they got. This has never happened before and likely never will again. Its just such a bizarre situation and I think people aren't giving enough credit to how fucked up this whole thing is. This whole situation feels surreal looking at it from outside the US. I guess people who don't agree with Clinton's politics feel basically disenfranchised without voting Trump so they are stuck. This seems like a massive failure of the media and the party. This particular misogyny scandal right now should have been discussed in the media before or while the primaries were going on. At that point, the party should then have been able to present a clean option with similar appeal as Trump instead of the candidates that failed against him. About what Trump's appeal was in the primaries, when I tried to answer that question, the argument that seemed most convincing to me was there being certain taboos in the party that no one except Trump argued about. Two things were interesting to me. One was military interventions like Iraq being seen as failure in their result, and also a bad idea in the first place. It seems like Trump was the only one that argued this? The other thing was what's up with globalization and what it does to previously safe lower middle-class jobs, things like supporting your family with one or two incomes of being a shift worker in some factory for your whole life. It seems being against free trade is taboo in the party, except for Trump. The situation in the other party also looks ugly to me. I feel over here, those speeches with $200k+ speaking fees would be unacceptable to voters so I can't really understand how a candidate like this is possible. The party should have presented an attractive alternative with similar policies for people to choose in the primary. Basically, I don't get it.  | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On October 13 2016 10:26 Doodsmack wrote: If it's true, is it character assassination? I'm more concerned with the coordinated and condensed nature of reporting 1 month before the election. The motive is not to report the news but to prevent Trump from being president. | ||
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KwarK
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9794 Posts
On October 13 2016 10:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/786371522281676801 This is what happens when you just wing it and hope for the best in every interview, appearance and debate over the course of months. Eventually your words come back and bite you in the ass. Of course now that has happened the Trump crew cry character assassination and go back to blaming the media. "Sure he's a sexual predator but the media is at fault for reporting on it right before the election." Conveniently (of course) forgetting that his being a sexual predator should probably disqualify him from positions of responsibility and authority. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
The darkest secret of this country, I am afraid, is that too many of its citizens imagine that they belong to a much higher civilization somewhere else. That higher civilization doesn't have to be another country. It can be the past instead-the United States as it was before it was spoiled by immigrants and the enfrachisement of the blacks. This state of mind allows too many of us to lie and cheat and steal from the rest of us, to sell us junk and addictive poisons and corrupting entertainments. What are the rest of us, after all, but sub-human aborigines? On October 13 2016 10:28 biology]major wrote: I'm more concerned with the coordinated and condensed nature of reporting 1 month before the election. The motive is not to report the news but to prevent Trump from being president. My understanding is that many of the stories are women coming forward after feeling insulted at his defense at the debate, rather than the media dredging them up. | ||
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Doodsmack
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9794 Posts
The first legislative body to pass a motion officially condemning Trump,in New South Wales, Australia. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 13 2016 10:28 KwarK wrote: Trump's misogyny was discussed in the media during the primaries. It turned out it was actually a point in his favour with the Republican base. Unfortunately it's not a vote winner with the rest of the voting population. But this didn't come from nowhere, they knew it about him, they just liked it. Exactly. So many members of this thread was beating the drum about this the first time he said "blood coming out of her you know what." A year later, we receive confirmation of what we knew all along, Trump sexual is a predator. | ||
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KwarK
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9794 Posts
On October 13 2016 10:40 KwarK wrote: Doodsmack, believed and taken seriously by the police, not by the wife of the accused. Demanding family members of the accused believe it would be absurd. Absurd, but not entirely unrealistic of what has frankly been an absurd year or so. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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