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On October 10 2016 05:15 biology]major wrote: The real loser in all of this, is Bernie. He started a movement and sold out and lost to the very thing he was fighting against. Trump doesn't give a shit if he loses, he's still rich and is going to go into retirement, or start a new media empire. Bernie will be forgotten as a sellout, if he didn't endorse HRC though he would have been remembered.
You don't understand how democratic politics work. Bernie is doing exactly what he needs. He isn't selling out, this was the game plan all along if he didn't get the nomination.
Yeah but he isn't going to get anything in return. Clinton will do everything she had initially planned. He's too old to run 2020, so it is the end for him and his movement. All of the things he fought for will be forgotten in time.
What do you think would happen if the GOP collapses and the democrats take back the house and senate with fairly large majorities? I think they actually get quite a lot done. If it's Clinton's agenda, just what do you think she does?
There's simply no contest between the GOP/DNC agendas currently. They're both very clear about what they want to set out to do.
I would expect Republicans to fillibuster everything they can in that case.
Is the Tea Party heading towards a large defeat? Will the more moderate Republicans take back control in a Democratic landslide or are the crazies the safe ones (I expect them to be).
The Tea Party of Nope will keep noping for as long as they have the power to. They have shown they don't care about national affects. Only their own re-election which hinges on obstructionism of the Demon Obama/Hillary.
You'd be surprised. If the election breaks totally towards democrats, there are conceivably at least 15 senate seats they could get, which would give them a supermajority (That's all the seats that aren't considered "safe R" by Cook political report) . That's not very likely, but it's probably just as likely as them taking the house. If it breaks on a smaller scale, that's 9 seats which would give them the same amount in the senate that the GOP currently has.
There is a "nuclear option" which the senate may pull to eliminate the filibuster. That is extremely unlikely to occur unless there is a democratic majority in the House and a GOP minority Senate wanting to continue their obstructionist ways. The reason it hasn't been eliminated in the past is that the parties were afraid of not having the option to use it when THEY were the minority, but the obstructionism has been extreme enough recently that it may be necessary. It would only matter if the house was democratic, though.
On October 10 2016 05:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: The longer Ryan keeps his endorsement of Trump the harder it becomes. Kasich is the genuine winner of this election to be honest.
Not sure he actually wins anything. I doubt he has what it takes to win a primary and he will get a lot of flak for being the Trump enabler in the first place.
On October 10 2016 05:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: The longer Ryan keeps his endorsement of Trump the harder it becomes. Kasich is the genuine winner of this election to be honest.
Not sure he actually wins anything.
Yeah I don't think Kasich parlays this into anything. But from the standing up for himself angle he's surely the winner...not that there's really a prize for that besides pride.
On October 10 2016 03:48 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Guess that says something about the 'merits' of democracy when two shitty candidates are your choices.
Democracy isn't about having the best clothes. It's about doing the laundry regularly. It's about the theory that you never want a government that's too efficient, too professional, too powerful. That it is better to have 6 mediocre leaders over 40 years than one good one over the same time.
I don't think that's a good example. I'd definitely rather have a great leader for 40 years than 6 trumps/clintons over 40 years.
On October 10 2016 06:04 Plansix wrote: Trump will not get any statistically significant support from black voters. But of course the internet will find the rare gems that still support him.
A powerful Hollywood ally of Donald Trump has threatened staffers who could release potentially damaging outtakes of the show, a source close to Mark Burnett told BuzzFeed News.
Burnett, the producer of The Apprentice, and his production company have not responded to requests for comment from BuzzFeed News and many other outlets since grotesque outtakes from another show rocked Trump’s campaign Friday, even as former staffers have suggested on Twitter (without clear evidence) that The Apprentice material could be just as damaging.
But the person familiar with Burnett’s thinking told BuzzFeed News that the producer is backing his star. Burnett “is pro-Trump and has made clear to his teams that he will sue anyone who leaks,” the person said.
Burnett has remained publicly neutral and studiously avoided questions about his role in the presidential campaign.
Quality journalism. I'd expect nothing less from Breitbart Buzzfeed.
but anyways, to answer your question, Yes it does matter.
Carson appears to be trying to make a career out of weaponized stupidity. Sure, rap artists say all kinds of misogynistic crap. But equally, nobody is advocating Dr. Dre being the next president of the United States. So it's not really comparable. Saying "he's not the only misogynist in the world" doesn't score him points if he's the only misogynist running for president.
David Clarke is trying to rake in those sweet Uncle Tom bucks from Fox News. Every time someone on the right is caught doing something obviously racist Fox News need to pay a black guy to come on tv and explain that actually the real racists are the ones who try and make it about race when the Republican candidate for president refuses to rent apartments to African Americans. It's a sweet gig because people on the right say an awful lot of stupid things about race so the resident Uncle Tom is on speed dial and is paid per "I think the left need to stop playing the race card".
but anyways, to answer your question, Yes it does matter.
Ben Carson's point, I will admit, is an interesting one. The question then becomes what a US president should be like.
His point is so dumb. Rappers aren't running for president and music is art. There's no connection to be made there.
There are fucking people justifying sexual assault by saying if women didn't like to be grabbed by their vaginas why did 50 shades of grey sell so well?
On October 10 2016 06:04 Plansix wrote: Trump will not get any statistically significant support from black voters. But of course the internet will find the rare gems that still support him.
Define statistically significant for me
more than 1%? 5%? 10%?
He'll probably do better than Romney, which is also how he'll probably do in general even if not winning.
On October 10 2016 05:15 biology]major wrote: The real loser in all of this, is Bernie. He started a movement and sold out and lost to the very thing he was fighting against. Trump doesn't give a shit if he loses, he's still rich and is going to go into retirement, or start a new media empire. Bernie will be forgotten as a sellout, if he didn't endorse HRC though he would have been remembered.
You don't understand how democratic politics work. Bernie is doing exactly what he needs. He isn't selling out, this was the game plan all along if he didn't get the nomination.
Yeah but he isn't going to get anything in return. Clinton will do everything she had initially planned. He's too old to run 2020, so it is the end for him and his movement. All of the things he fought for will be forgotten in time.
He can bring someone else up. Bring attention to a new candidate that will further what he wants. And he will get something out of it. Clinton will have to try and follow through on parts of his platform she adopted.
I like how he has just decided by himself that Hillary will do none of things Bernie compromised for with 0 evidence to the contrary.
And if we are talking proclivity and logic.. then as a logical and ambitious thinker that we should all agree Hillary is.. she will want to get re elected. Completely tuning out Bernie and company is absolute suicide in that respect. So no I dont believe that Bernies political capital has gone to waste.
If it does go to waste it will be because the GOP will still have too much influence in the house/senate and Hillary will fail to move them or be forced to compromise too much to get to little, a very real possibility. Which will either give the Bernie crybabies a kick up the backside to get on board or they will move the other way in which case I guess they will just have to keep fucking themselves and they probably deserved it.
It's rare that movements really gain traction within just one election. The Tea Party was a miserable failure at the polls the first round of voting after they surfaced. They kept existing, kept voting, and now no one would call them irrelevant.
but anyways, to answer your question, Yes it does matter.
Ben Carson's point, I will admit, is an interesting one. The question then becomes what a US president should be like.
His point is so dumb. Rappers aren't running for president and music is art. There's no connection to be made there.
There are fucking people justifying sexual assault by saying if women didn't like to be grabbed by their vaginas why did 50 shades of grey sell so well?
On October 10 2016 06:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I don't think that's a good example. I'd definitely rather have a great leader for 40 years than 6 trumps/clintons over 40 years.
As far as the average goes for US presidents, I'd say they fall well below "mediocre", though.
but anyways, to answer your question, Yes it does matter.
Ben Carson's point, I will admit, is an interesting one. The question then becomes what a US president should be like.
His point is so dumb. Rappers aren't running for president and music is art. There's no connection to be made there.
There are fucking people justifying sexual assault by saying if women didn't like to be grabbed by their vaginas why did 50 shades of grey sell so well?
Suggesting someone isn't capable of being slandered if they have a poor reputation. Now that's a dumb point.
The right has this problem with understanding what libel and slander are. They've thrown those 2 words around so much in the last year and none of them actually understand what it means. You've continued that proud tradition on.
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