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On September 12 2016 14:15 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 14:12 xDaunt wrote:
The idea that Obama did anything to improve the US's global standing is a joke. He came into office with a tremendous head start and award of free good will because 1) he wasn't Bush, 2) Obama gave a good speech with the right rhetoric, and 3) he wasn't Bush. He was given the fucking Nobel Peace Prize for free. What's important is to look at what happened after that initial honeymoon period. What you'll see is highly wanting: fuckups with Russia, the antagonization of longtime allies, the loss of much influence in the Middle East, a laughable deal with Iran, and the continued pursuit of many of the same neocon policies of the Bush years that Obama said that he wouldn't pursue (and let's not forget Hillary's role in the dumpster fire that was the first four years of his foreign policy). As I have pointed out repeatedly over the years, there's a reason why many foreign policy journals -- including liberal ones like Foreign Policy -- have taken fat, steaming shits on Obama's handling of foreign policy. Better go tell the rest of the world that they're wrong for thinking the opposite. You've got to remember that even if only hippie left wing commies think Obama did a good job, all of America's allies are pinko socialist scum. And given that it's subjective you don't really get to decide for them.
Britain is now pinko socialist scum? Didn't they just vote to get out of the EU?
I won't include Australia or Canada because we're tiny, but how about Israel?
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On September 12 2016 14:09 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 14:03 plasmidghost wrote:On September 12 2016 13:55 Slaughter wrote:
A stronger mitary presence also drains both our own resources and international credibility. We don't need to be team America world police nor some Neo empire anymore. We shouldn't have to have to use military to advance Geopolitical interests in lands that aren't our own. I 100% agree, which is why I'm leaning towards Gary Johnson right now. However, say the US pulls completely out of the Middle East. Who's to stop Russia or some other power from completely reshaping the region in its image? (and if it's Russia, that means bombing it to oblivion) The same thing that stops the US from successfully installing their own proxy states. The whole place is a clusterfuck. Russia has spent 20 years failing to stamp out Chechen resistance within their own borders. The USSR failed to take Afghanistan. Not every problem can be solved by military force as the US has found out at their cost.
That certainly didn't stop the US from trying to get its way in the region, and in Central America, and I'm sure many other places that we'll never know, the last half of the 20th century
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On September 12 2016 13:13 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 13:06 OuchyDathurts wrote:On September 12 2016 12:50 bo1b wrote:On September 12 2016 12:46 ticklishmusic wrote:On September 12 2016 12:16 bo1b wrote:
I just went to the snow and there were people in shorts and t-shirts going down the mountain, should I look at them and say it's hot and humid? wew lad pack it up folks, this is perhaps the greatest argument ever argued in the us politcs megathread and all its predecessors. You literally told me people were in shorts so it's hot and humid short wearing weather. Seem's to me that my sarcastic response is exactly whats deserved Its unfortunate we don't live in an era where things can be looked up instantly and instead we're forced to speculate as to what temperature it could have been. I pray future generations will be able to come up with some sort of technological answer. w1.weather.gov Would you say that 80 f is sweltering humid heat? I pray for future generations to look at something that is clearly horse shit and make conclusions.
You're the one that showed up here and claimed it was 70 degrees which it takes all of 3 seconds of google to dispel. I'm not the one coming around here with the horse shit.
80 degrees depends on who you are and where you're from.
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On September 12 2016 13:36 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 09:01 jello_biafra wrote:
Is it even possible for them to do this? My understanding is they can't get on the ballot in most states at this late stage. Last week : Hillarys health is fine, watch her open this pickle jar with ease.Only Alt-right conspiracy nuts think Hillary is ill! This week : We are considering replacing Hillary as democrat candidate due to health concerns.
Her apparently coming down with a cold and pneumonia are very, very different than all the unjustified accusations that she has Parkinson's, MS, or epilepsy. http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-has-parkinsons-disease/
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On September 12 2016 14:18 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 14:15 KwarK wrote:On September 12 2016 14:12 xDaunt wrote:
The idea that Obama did anything to improve the US's global standing is a joke. He came into office with a tremendous head start and award of free good will because 1) he wasn't Bush, 2) Obama gave a good speech with the right rhetoric, and 3) he wasn't Bush. He was given the fucking Nobel Peace Prize for free. What's important is to look at what happened after that initial honeymoon period. What you'll see is highly wanting: fuckups with Russia, the antagonization of longtime allies, the loss of much influence in the Middle East, a laughable deal with Iran, and the continued pursuit of many of the same neocon policies of the Bush years that Obama said that he wouldn't pursue (and let's not forget Hillary's role in the dumpster fire that was the first four years of his foreign policy). As I have pointed out repeatedly over the years, there's a reason why many foreign policy journals -- including liberal ones like Foreign Policy -- have taken fat, steaming shits on Obama's handling of foreign policy. Better go tell the rest of the world that they're wrong for thinking the opposite. You've got to remember that even if only hippie left wing commies think Obama did a good job, all of America's allies are pinko socialist scum. And given that it's subjective you don't really get to decide for them. Britain is now pinko socialist scum? Didn't they just vote to get out of the EU? I won't include Australia or Canada because we're tiny, but how about Israel?
Sure, Britain is socialist. We have public healthcare and do liberal shit like recycle. Scotland is politically way left of the Greens, like take a look at the SNP platform. And our current opposition is about as left as the Greens, far to the left of the Democrats. As for Israel, they complain whenever you don't give them 20 billion in aid and if you do give them 20 billion they ask "why not 30?". No pleasing Israel. Trudeau is really leftist (and Canada isn't tiny).
What it comes down to is that most of xDaunt's assumptions regarding America's allies are the complete opposite of the ones they would make about themselves because his political frame of reference is alien to them.
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*psst*
Are you concerned about the health of your party's candidate? Worried by Trump's obviously fake, typo-riddled "doctor's note" and his incoherent, demented rambling? Disturbed by Clinton collapsing and covering up pneumonia for days?
Well, great news. Gary Johnson is a triathlete who completed three Ironmans and summited the tallest mountain on every continent, including Everest.
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On September 12 2016 14:00 bo1b wrote:
That's fairly easy to say as you enjoy the benefits of them right now. There's 70 years of objective history to show that a strong military and nuclear deterrent has prevented world wars, and for that matter, most serious war in general. I find it fairly distasteful to disregard the importance of secure ocean travel, and the deterrent that America has on say Russia and China from expanding more then they already have.
Maybe ask Japan how they feel next to China without a serious, credible military backing them up?
More over, if ww3 did break out tomorrow, I would bet my fucking life that certain nations would immediately be secured due to the resources they provide.
That some love you got for American Hegemony.
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On September 12 2016 14:25 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 14:18 bo1b wrote:On September 12 2016 14:15 KwarK wrote:On September 12 2016 14:12 xDaunt wrote:
The idea that Obama did anything to improve the US's global standing is a joke. He came into office with a tremendous head start and award of free good will because 1) he wasn't Bush, 2) Obama gave a good speech with the right rhetoric, and 3) he wasn't Bush. He was given the fucking Nobel Peace Prize for free. What's important is to look at what happened after that initial honeymoon period. What you'll see is highly wanting: fuckups with Russia, the antagonization of longtime allies, the loss of much influence in the Middle East, a laughable deal with Iran, and the continued pursuit of many of the same neocon policies of the Bush years that Obama said that he wouldn't pursue (and let's not forget Hillary's role in the dumpster fire that was the first four years of his foreign policy). As I have pointed out repeatedly over the years, there's a reason why many foreign policy journals -- including liberal ones like Foreign Policy -- have taken fat, steaming shits on Obama's handling of foreign policy. Better go tell the rest of the world that they're wrong for thinking the opposite. You've got to remember that even if only hippie left wing commies think Obama did a good job, all of America's allies are pinko socialist scum. And given that it's subjective you don't really get to decide for them. Britain is now pinko socialist scum? Didn't they just vote to get out of the EU? I won't include Australia or Canada because we're tiny, but how about Israel? Sure, Britain is socialist. We have public healthcare and do liberal shit like recycle. Scotland is politically way left of the Greens, like take a look at the SNP platform. And our current opposition is about as left as the Greens, far to the left of the Democrats. As for Israel, they complain whenever you don't give them 20 billion in aid and if you do give them 20 billion they ask "why not 30?". No pleasing Israel. Trudeau is really leftist (and Canada isn't tiny).
The US spends more per person on healthcare then Britain, I assume they recycle. Scotland you're dead right, I can't see Corbyn getting into office, Canada I have absolutely no clue about, but a quick google search shows Trudeau looking fairly pathetic so I'll have to agree.
Since we're bringing up Scotland and Canada though I can't help but bring up Australia, who in the last 6 years had Tony Abbott (arguably more right of centre then Bush) and now Turnbull, still right of Obama.
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Canada is pretty tiny, especially compared to the states. I think Trudeau is similar to Obama in some ways... Gets shit on at home but in other countries is liked?
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On September 12 2016 14:29 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 14:00 bo1b wrote:
That's fairly easy to say as you enjoy the benefits of them right now. There's 70 years of objective history to show that a strong military and nuclear deterrent has prevented world wars, and for that matter, most serious war in general. I find it fairly distasteful to disregard the importance of secure ocean travel, and the deterrent that America has on say Russia and China from expanding more then they already have.
Maybe ask Japan how they feel next to China without a serious, credible military backing them up?
More over, if ww3 did break out tomorrow, I would bet my fucking life that certain nations would immediately be secured due to the resources they provide. That some love you got for American Hegemony.
Well yeh? I've grown up in what I consider the most comfortable and peaceful nation on the planet, almost entirely due to American and British foreign policy. I don't consider the military to be a giant machine of evil, and I seriously think that keeping it well funded and in good operating order is one of the most important things a nation can do.
On September 12 2016 14:32 Drow wrote:
Canada is pretty tiny, especially compared to the states. I think Trudeau is similar to Obama in some ways... Gets shit on at home but in other countries is liked?
From the little I've seen of him (5 minutes of googling) I think he's a culturally appropriating moron who can't get out of bed without tripping over himself with white guilt.
Holy shit he stacked 50% of his government with women primarily because "it's 2015."
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On September 12 2016 14:27 plasmidghost wrote:
*psst*
Are you concerned about the health of your party's candidate? Worried by Trump's obviously fake, typo-riddled "doctor's note" and his incoherent, demented rambling? Disturbed by Clinton collapsing and covering up pneumonia for days?
Well, great news. Gary Johnson is a triathlete who completed three Ironmans and summited the tallest mountain on every continent, including Everest.
He also has no clue what Aleppo was, wants to "end the fed", wants to eliminate corporate taxation. I'm getting the picture of a man that has grown comfortable in a well developed nation not appreciating the things a large government can and does do.
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On September 12 2016 14:31 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 14:25 KwarK wrote:On September 12 2016 14:18 bo1b wrote:On September 12 2016 14:15 KwarK wrote:On September 12 2016 14:12 xDaunt wrote:
The idea that Obama did anything to improve the US's global standing is a joke. He came into office with a tremendous head start and award of free good will because 1) he wasn't Bush, 2) Obama gave a good speech with the right rhetoric, and 3) he wasn't Bush. He was given the fucking Nobel Peace Prize for free. What's important is to look at what happened after that initial honeymoon period. What you'll see is highly wanting: fuckups with Russia, the antagonization of longtime allies, the loss of much influence in the Middle East, a laughable deal with Iran, and the continued pursuit of many of the same neocon policies of the Bush years that Obama said that he wouldn't pursue (and let's not forget Hillary's role in the dumpster fire that was the first four years of his foreign policy). As I have pointed out repeatedly over the years, there's a reason why many foreign policy journals -- including liberal ones like Foreign Policy -- have taken fat, steaming shits on Obama's handling of foreign policy. Better go tell the rest of the world that they're wrong for thinking the opposite. You've got to remember that even if only hippie left wing commies think Obama did a good job, all of America's allies are pinko socialist scum. And given that it's subjective you don't really get to decide for them. Britain is now pinko socialist scum? Didn't they just vote to get out of the EU? I won't include Australia or Canada because we're tiny, but how about Israel? Sure, Britain is socialist. We have public healthcare and do liberal shit like recycle. Scotland is politically way left of the Greens, like take a look at the SNP platform. And our current opposition is about as left as the Greens, far to the left of the Democrats. As for Israel, they complain whenever you don't give them 20 billion in aid and if you do give them 20 billion they ask "why not 30?". No pleasing Israel. Trudeau is really leftist (and Canada isn't tiny). The US spends more per person on healthcare then Britain, I assume they recycle. Scotland you're dead right, I can't see Corbyn getting into office, Canada I have absolutely no clue about, but a quick google search shows Trudeau looking fairly pathetic so I'll have to agree. Since we're bringing up Scotland and Canada though I can't help but bring up Australia, who in the last 6 years had Tony Abbott (arguably more right of centre then Bush) and now Turnbull, still right of Obama.
Total healthcare spending is a red herring regarding socialism, socialists aren't the only people who get sick, they're the ones who believe in public sector solutions to these problems. The UK is pretty socialist from an American perspective, even the Tories are far to the left of the Republicans.
I'll concede Australia is pretty right wing though, you guys tend to lag behind the times on issues like whether aborigines get human rights or whether the environment is real. Somewhat of an exceptional case among America's allies.
The point remains that as a rule your average person in Canada/France/UK/Germany/etc views events from the opposite side of the political spectrum to your typical American Trump supporter (although exceptions do exist). If a Trump supporter says "this is bad for American prestige among her allies" then it's likely that the allies themselves will think it is good. Likewise if a Trump supporter says "this is good" then it is likely that the allies themselves will disagree. xDaunt may genuinely believe that the rest of the world is wrong for thinking the way they do but that doesn't actually mean that they don't think the way they do. America's allies are much more closely aligned with Obama politically than they are with him.
Whether xDaunt is right or wrong about the merits of the policy doesn't actually matter if we're talking about perception. xDaunt argues that he subjectively disagrees with X and therefore X must universally be condemned as being bad. Given that most of the people xDaunt is trying to speak for will call him an idiot his argument fails.
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On September 12 2016 14:39 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 14:31 bo1b wrote:On September 12 2016 14:25 KwarK wrote:On September 12 2016 14:18 bo1b wrote:On September 12 2016 14:15 KwarK wrote:On September 12 2016 14:12 xDaunt wrote:
The idea that Obama did anything to improve the US's global standing is a joke. He came into office with a tremendous head start and award of free good will because 1) he wasn't Bush, 2) Obama gave a good speech with the right rhetoric, and 3) he wasn't Bush. He was given the fucking Nobel Peace Prize for free. What's important is to look at what happened after that initial honeymoon period. What you'll see is highly wanting: fuckups with Russia, the antagonization of longtime allies, the loss of much influence in the Middle East, a laughable deal with Iran, and the continued pursuit of many of the same neocon policies of the Bush years that Obama said that he wouldn't pursue (and let's not forget Hillary's role in the dumpster fire that was the first four years of his foreign policy). As I have pointed out repeatedly over the years, there's a reason why many foreign policy journals -- including liberal ones like Foreign Policy -- have taken fat, steaming shits on Obama's handling of foreign policy. Better go tell the rest of the world that they're wrong for thinking the opposite. You've got to remember that even if only hippie left wing commies think Obama did a good job, all of America's allies are pinko socialist scum. And given that it's subjective you don't really get to decide for them. Britain is now pinko socialist scum? Didn't they just vote to get out of the EU? I won't include Australia or Canada because we're tiny, but how about Israel? Sure, Britain is socialist. We have public healthcare and do liberal shit like recycle. Scotland is politically way left of the Greens, like take a look at the SNP platform. And our current opposition is about as left as the Greens, far to the left of the Democrats. As for Israel, they complain whenever you don't give them 20 billion in aid and if you do give them 20 billion they ask "why not 30?". No pleasing Israel. Trudeau is really leftist (and Canada isn't tiny). The US spends more per person on healthcare then Britain, I assume they recycle. Scotland you're dead right, I can't see Corbyn getting into office, Canada I have absolutely no clue about, but a quick google search shows Trudeau looking fairly pathetic so I'll have to agree. Since we're bringing up Scotland and Canada though I can't help but bring up Australia, who in the last 6 years had Tony Abbott (arguably more right of centre then Bush) and now Turnbull, still right of Obama. Total healthcare spending is a red herring regarding socialism, socialists aren't the only people who get sick, they're the ones who believe in public sector solutions to these problems. The UK is pretty socialist from an American perspective, even the Tories are far to the left of the Republicans. I'll concede Australia is pretty right wing though, you guys tend to lag behind the times on issues like whether aborigines get human rights or whether the environment is real. Somewhat of an exceptional case among America's allies. The point remains that as a rule your average person in Canada/France/UK/Germany/etc views events from the opposite side of the political spectrum to your typical American Trump supporter (although exceptions do exist). If a Trump supporter says "this is bad for American prestige among her allies" then it's likely that the allies themselves will think it is good. Likewise if a Trump supporter says "this is good" then it is likely that the allies themselves will disagree. xDaunt may genuinely believe that the rest of the world is wrong for thinking the way they do but that doesn't actually mean that they don't think the way they do. America's allies are much more closely aligned with Obama politically than they are with him.
Fair call, you're right about Australia though, and it's fairly irritating.
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On September 12 2016 14:40 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 14:39 KwarK wrote:On September 12 2016 14:31 bo1b wrote:On September 12 2016 14:25 KwarK wrote:On September 12 2016 14:18 bo1b wrote:On September 12 2016 14:15 KwarK wrote:On September 12 2016 14:12 xDaunt wrote:
The idea that Obama did anything to improve the US's global standing is a joke. He came into office with a tremendous head start and award of free good will because 1) he wasn't Bush, 2) Obama gave a good speech with the right rhetoric, and 3) he wasn't Bush. He was given the fucking Nobel Peace Prize for free. What's important is to look at what happened after that initial honeymoon period. What you'll see is highly wanting: fuckups with Russia, the antagonization of longtime allies, the loss of much influence in the Middle East, a laughable deal with Iran, and the continued pursuit of many of the same neocon policies of the Bush years that Obama said that he wouldn't pursue (and let's not forget Hillary's role in the dumpster fire that was the first four years of his foreign policy). As I have pointed out repeatedly over the years, there's a reason why many foreign policy journals -- including liberal ones like Foreign Policy -- have taken fat, steaming shits on Obama's handling of foreign policy. Better go tell the rest of the world that they're wrong for thinking the opposite. You've got to remember that even if only hippie left wing commies think Obama did a good job, all of America's allies are pinko socialist scum. And given that it's subjective you don't really get to decide for them. Britain is now pinko socialist scum? Didn't they just vote to get out of the EU? I won't include Australia or Canada because we're tiny, but how about Israel? Sure, Britain is socialist. We have public healthcare and do liberal shit like recycle. Scotland is politically way left of the Greens, like take a look at the SNP platform. And our current opposition is about as left as the Greens, far to the left of the Democrats. As for Israel, they complain whenever you don't give them 20 billion in aid and if you do give them 20 billion they ask "why not 30?". No pleasing Israel. Trudeau is really leftist (and Canada isn't tiny). The US spends more per person on healthcare then Britain, I assume they recycle. Scotland you're dead right, I can't see Corbyn getting into office, Canada I have absolutely no clue about, but a quick google search shows Trudeau looking fairly pathetic so I'll have to agree. Since we're bringing up Scotland and Canada though I can't help but bring up Australia, who in the last 6 years had Tony Abbott (arguably more right of centre then Bush) and now Turnbull, still right of Obama. Total healthcare spending is a red herring regarding socialism, socialists aren't the only people who get sick, they're the ones who believe in public sector solutions to these problems. The UK is pretty socialist from an American perspective, even the Tories are far to the left of the Republicans. I'll concede Australia is pretty right wing though, you guys tend to lag behind the times on issues like whether aborigines get human rights or whether the environment is real. Somewhat of an exceptional case among America's allies. The point remains that as a rule your average person in Canada/France/UK/Germany/etc views events from the opposite side of the political spectrum to your typical American Trump supporter (although exceptions do exist). If a Trump supporter says "this is bad for American prestige among her allies" then it's likely that the allies themselves will think it is good. Likewise if a Trump supporter says "this is good" then it is likely that the allies themselves will disagree. xDaunt may genuinely believe that the rest of the world is wrong for thinking the way they do but that doesn't actually mean that they don't think the way they do. America's allies are much more closely aligned with Obama politically than they are with him. Fair call, you're right about Australia though, and it's fairly irritating.
It's somewhat understandable given Australia's economic dependence upon dirty industry. "We're fucked" isn't going to be as popular as "nah mate, it's fine, do whatever you wanna do", regardless of which argument might actually be right.
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On September 12 2016 14:32 Drow wrote:
Canada is pretty tiny, especially compared to the states. I think Trudeau is similar to Obama in some ways... Gets shit on at home but in other countries is liked?
If you were to rank America's allies in order of importance I think Canada would be near the top. An awful lot of business happens across that border.
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On September 12 2016 14:44 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 14:40 bo1b wrote:On September 12 2016 14:39 KwarK wrote:On September 12 2016 14:31 bo1b wrote:On September 12 2016 14:25 KwarK wrote:On September 12 2016 14:18 bo1b wrote:On September 12 2016 14:15 KwarK wrote:On September 12 2016 14:12 xDaunt wrote:
The idea that Obama did anything to improve the US's global standing is a joke. He came into office with a tremendous head start and award of free good will because 1) he wasn't Bush, 2) Obama gave a good speech with the right rhetoric, and 3) he wasn't Bush. He was given the fucking Nobel Peace Prize for free. What's important is to look at what happened after that initial honeymoon period. What you'll see is highly wanting: fuckups with Russia, the antagonization of longtime allies, the loss of much influence in the Middle East, a laughable deal with Iran, and the continued pursuit of many of the same neocon policies of the Bush years that Obama said that he wouldn't pursue (and let's not forget Hillary's role in the dumpster fire that was the first four years of his foreign policy). As I have pointed out repeatedly over the years, there's a reason why many foreign policy journals -- including liberal ones like Foreign Policy -- have taken fat, steaming shits on Obama's handling of foreign policy. Better go tell the rest of the world that they're wrong for thinking the opposite. You've got to remember that even if only hippie left wing commies think Obama did a good job, all of America's allies are pinko socialist scum. And given that it's subjective you don't really get to decide for them. Britain is now pinko socialist scum? Didn't they just vote to get out of the EU? I won't include Australia or Canada because we're tiny, but how about Israel? Sure, Britain is socialist. We have public healthcare and do liberal shit like recycle. Scotland is politically way left of the Greens, like take a look at the SNP platform. And our current opposition is about as left as the Greens, far to the left of the Democrats. As for Israel, they complain whenever you don't give them 20 billion in aid and if you do give them 20 billion they ask "why not 30?". No pleasing Israel. Trudeau is really leftist (and Canada isn't tiny). The US spends more per person on healthcare then Britain, I assume they recycle. Scotland you're dead right, I can't see Corbyn getting into office, Canada I have absolutely no clue about, but a quick google search shows Trudeau looking fairly pathetic so I'll have to agree. Since we're bringing up Scotland and Canada though I can't help but bring up Australia, who in the last 6 years had Tony Abbott (arguably more right of centre then Bush) and now Turnbull, still right of Obama. Total healthcare spending is a red herring regarding socialism, socialists aren't the only people who get sick, they're the ones who believe in public sector solutions to these problems. The UK is pretty socialist from an American perspective, even the Tories are far to the left of the Republicans. I'll concede Australia is pretty right wing though, you guys tend to lag behind the times on issues like whether aborigines get human rights or whether the environment is real. Somewhat of an exceptional case among America's allies. The point remains that as a rule your average person in Canada/France/UK/Germany/etc views events from the opposite side of the political spectrum to your typical American Trump supporter (although exceptions do exist). If a Trump supporter says "this is bad for American prestige among her allies" then it's likely that the allies themselves will think it is good. Likewise if a Trump supporter says "this is good" then it is likely that the allies themselves will disagree. xDaunt may genuinely believe that the rest of the world is wrong for thinking the way they do but that doesn't actually mean that they don't think the way they do. America's allies are much more closely aligned with Obama politically than they are with him. Fair call, you're right about Australia though, and it's fairly irritating. It's somewhat understandable given Australia's economic dependence upon dirty industry. "We're fucked" isn't going to be as popular as "nah mate, it's fine, do whatever you wanna do", regardless of which argument might actually be right.
It's really not though, and given the size and resource rich state of the nation we should absolutely be an economic powerhouse. Instead we're riding through a housing bubble propped up from foreign investment primarily fleeing an economic collapse in China, and have had successive governments trying to chase the coat tails of an iron and coal boom. It's frankly pathetic, and I probably shouldn't continue this topic in the U.S election thread 
On September 12 2016 14:47 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 14:32 Drow wrote:
Canada is pretty tiny, especially compared to the states. I think Trudeau is similar to Obama in some ways... Gets shit on at home but in other countries is liked? If you were to rank America's allies in order of importance I think Canada would be near the top. An awful lot of business happens across that border.
It's called the Anglosphere for a reason.
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On September 12 2016 14:27 plasmidghost wrote:
*psst*
Are you concerned about the health of your party's candidate? Worried by Trump's obviously fake, typo-riddled "doctor's note" and his incoherent, demented rambling? Disturbed by Clinton collapsing and covering up pneumonia for days?
Well, great news. Gary Johnson is a triathlete who completed three Ironmans and summited the tallest mountain on every continent, including Everest.
Let's just hope he never goes hiking in Aleppo
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On September 12 2016 14:47 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 14:32 Drow wrote:
Canada is pretty tiny, especially compared to the states. I think Trudeau is similar to Obama in some ways... Gets shit on at home but in other countries is liked? If you were to rank America's allies in order of importance I think Canada would be near the top. An awful lot of business happens across that border.
I wouldn't disagree with that, there probably aren't many other nations as intertwined as Canada and the US. It's definitely a big brother little brother relationship though with the states foreign policy being much more important than Canada's
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On September 12 2016 15:06 Drow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 14:47 KwarK wrote:On September 12 2016 14:32 Drow wrote:
Canada is pretty tiny, especially compared to the states. I think Trudeau is similar to Obama in some ways... Gets shit on at home but in other countries is liked? If you were to rank America's allies in order of importance I think Canada would be near the top. An awful lot of business happens across that border. I wouldn't disagree with that, there probably aren't many other nations as intertwined as Canada and the US. It's definitely a big brother little brother relationship though with the states foreign policy being much more important than Canada's
Be fair to Canada, there isn't a nation in the world where that isn't true.
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On September 12 2016 14:32 Drow wrote:
Canada is pretty tiny, especially compared to the states. I think Trudeau is similar to Obama in some ways... Gets shit on at home but in other countries is liked?
Canada is dwarfed by its southern neighbor, but it's still a fairly big deal as countries go. Population between the mid and small brackets of Euro countries (similar to Poland), but GDP and military expenditures puts it in the same league as places like Turkey or Spain. (Or California. Well, Cali has fewer people but a lot more money.)
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