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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On August 26 2016 17:06 ragnasaur wrote: Can't wait for the debates. One of them is being held in Las Vegas. Like really..? 2016 election HYYYYYPE It should be advertised as "no gloves, no love" | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8209 Posts
On August 26 2016 17:06 ragnasaur wrote: Can't wait for the debates. One of them is being held in Las Vegas. Like really..? 2016 election HYYYYYPE I don't expect anything from those debates. It will be name calling, schoolyard taunts and fallacious accusations of every kind. There is no debate in this campaign. Americans are not voting about having the best healthcare or a good education system, or a comprehensive international policy. There is no debate on how to tackle inequalities, on how to appease the racial tensions, on climate change, on anything at all in fact. It's about whether Hillary is Satan because of Ben Ghazi, about distorting facts until one can't understand anything, about one person's god complex and trying to dodge at any cost any real issue, because guess what, Trump doesn't even know about them and apparently his voters don't care because anyway Hillary is evil. Of course it has value as an entertainment. Too sad millions of lives are in line. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 26 2016 16:58 Biff The Understudy wrote: 538 described the alt right as good old racism and biggotry with a tech savy flavour. There is nothing really new about the movement except that its members spend their days trolling on the internet. This is not far off. Its also why we have seen the media take such an interest in reporting on it since Bannon joined Trump as CEO. Most people are not aware of the alt-right, but political reporters have seen Bannon around for years and know what he is about. Milo and other pundits are the sugar coating for the bigoted and anti-democratic principles that Bannon stands for, including opposition to freedom of the press and anyone who prints things that oppose what Bannon and his ilk want. Neutrality of the press no longer works if the press thinks they might come under attack if one side is elected. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22666 Posts
On August 26 2016 20:16 Plansix wrote: This is not far off. Its also why we have seen the media take such an interest in reporting on it since Bannon joined Trump as CEO. Most people are not aware of the alt-right, but political reporters have seen Bannon around for years and know what he is about. Milo and other pundits are the sugar coating for the bigoted and anti-democratic principles that Bannon stands for, including opposition to freedom of the press and anyone who prints things that oppose what Bannon and his ilk want. Neutrality of the press no longer works if the press thinks they might come under attack if one side is elected. Considering the laundry list of news networks banned by Trump I would argue that its not a case of 'might be attacked' but certainly a case of 'already being attacked'. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9251 Posts
On August 26 2016 20:16 Plansix wrote: This is not far off. Its also why we have seen the media take such an interest in reporting on it since Bannon joined Trump as CEO. Most people are not aware of the alt-right, but political reporters have seen Bannon around for years and know what he is about. Milo and other pundits are the sugar coating for the bigoted and anti-democratic principles that Bannon stands for, including opposition to freedom of the press and anyone who prints things that oppose what Bannon and his ilk want. Neutrality of the press no longer works if the press thinks they might come under attack if one side is elected. Sugar coating? He's not even pretending he's not a neo-nazi, openly using that (((echo))) crap before his twitter was banned | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On August 26 2016 20:23 Gorsameth wrote: Considering the laundry list of news networks banned by Trump I would argue that its not a case of 'might be attacked' but certainly a case of 'already being attacked'. The Daily Beast - Blog Buzzfeed - Blog Politico - Blog Huffington Post - failing blog + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/77TLTfp.jpg) Univision - above blog tier and has reporters but its not really Reuters when it comes to Trump. The Washington Post - Newspaper. Thats one actual news organization with actual real life journalists and no news networks were banned aside from Univision which isn't really a news network. Might as well let TL esports writers into his press conferences if something like Buzzfeed or the Daily Beast is allowed to be there. Our writers would probably ask better questions anyway. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Donald Trump’s new presidential campaign chief is registered to vote in a key swing state at an empty house where he does not live, in an apparent breach of election laws. Stephen Bannon, the chief executive of Trump’s election campaign, has an active voter registration at the house in Miami-Dade County, Florida, which is vacant and due to be demolished to make way for a new development. “I have emptied the property,” Luis Guevara, the owner of the house, which is in the Coconut Grove section of the city, said in an interview. “Nobody lives there … we are going to make a construction there.” Neighbors said the property had been abandoned for several months. Bannon, 62, formerly rented the house for use by his ex-wife, Diane Clohesy, but did not live there himself. Clohesy, a Tea Party activist, moved out of the house earlier this year and has her own irregular voting registration arrangement. According to public records, Bannon and Clohesy divorced seven years ago. Bannon previously rented another house for Clohesy in Miami from 2013 to 2015 and assigned his voter registration to the property during that period. But a source with direct knowledge of the rental agreement for this house said Bannon did not live there either, and that Bannon and Clohesy were not in a relationship. Bannon, Clohesy and Trump’s campaign repeatedly declined to answer detailed questions about Bannon’s voting arrangements. Jason Miller, a Trump campaign spokesman, eventually said in an email: “Mr Bannon moved to another location in Florida.” Miller declined to answer further questions. Bannon is executive chairman of the rightwing website Breitbart News, which has for years aggressively claimed that voter fraud is rife among minorities and in Democratic-leaning areas. The allegation has been repeated forcefully on the campaign trail by Trump, who has predicted the election will be “rigged” and warned supporters that victory could be fraudulently “taken away from us”. But it is not clear that Bannon is actually entitled to vote in Florida, one of the most important prizes for Trump and Hillary Clinton in their quest for the 270 electoral votes they need to secure the White House in November’s general election. Source | ||
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puerk
Germany855 Posts
to be fair it is not scary brown people with their fraudulent voting but a rich white male, so he is doing it just to counter them | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 26 2016 20:38 Dan HH wrote: Sugar coating? He's not even pretending he's not a neo-nazi, openly using that (((echo))) crap before his twitter was banned To you and me, we see that dog whistle for what it is. For those people who like what he says about the evil “PC culture and SJW”, that stuff isn’t a big deal and is “trolling”. He is just joking around, he wouldn’t really go through with that Nazi stuff. It’s sarcasm. The excuse also is that some of his followers that he actively courts with those dog whistles would follow through and do terrible things, but how can that be Milo’s fault what his followers do? He is sugar coated racism, giving people just enough to convince themselves that the racist undertones of all of this isn’t a big deal. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On August 26 2016 20:48 zeo wrote: The Daily Beast - Blog Buzzfeed - Blog Politico - Blog Huffington Post - failing blog + Show Spoiler + Univision - above blog tier and has reporters but its not really Reuters when it comes to Trump. The Washington Post - Newspaper. Thats one actual news organization with actual real life journalists and no news networks were banned aside from Univision which isn't really a news network. Might as well let TL esports writers into his press conferences if something like Buzzfeed or the Daily Beast is allowed to be there. Our writers would probably ask better questions anyway. Blog really isn't a good descriptor of those, it's like calling an aircraft carrier a sail boat. Is this where we're somehow okay with banning media outlets now because Trump has managed to bring the bar that low? Oh yeah, and you forgot your count of how many days Hillary has gone without a press conference. On August 26 2016 21:55 Plansix wrote: To you and me, we see that dog whistle for what it is. For those people who like what he says about the evil “PC culture and SJW”, that stuff isn’t a big deal and is “trolling”. He is just joking around, he wouldn’t really go through with that Nazi stuff. It’s sarcasm. The excuse also is that some of his followers that he actively courts with those dog whistles would follow through and do terrible things, but how can that be Milo’s fault what his followers do? He is sugar coated racism, giving people just enough to convince themselves that the racist undertones of all of this isn’t a big deal. It's just sarcasm. Kind of. Sort of. When I feel like it is. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Barack Obama is to create the world’s largest protected marine area off the coast of Hawaii, the White House has said. The president’s proclamation will quadruple the size of a protected area originally designated by his predecessor, George Bush, in 2006. The expanded Papahānaumokuākea Marine National Monument will cover around 582,578 sq miles (1.5m sq km), more than twice the size of Texas. Obama will travel to Hawaii next week to mark the designation and cite the need to protect public lands and waters from climate change. The designation bans commercial fishing and any new mining, as is the case within the existing area. Recreational fishing will be allowed with a permit, as will scientific research and the removal of fish and other resources for native Hawaiian cultural practices. Some fishing groups have said they are concerned about the affect of the expansion on their industry. Sean Martin, the president of the Hawaii Longline Association, said he was disappointed by the decision of Hawaii’s governor, David Ige, to support the move, claiming it was based on political, not scientific reasons. Hawaii’s longline fishing fleet supplies a large portion of the fresh tuna and other fish consumed in Hawaii. Martin has previously estimated the fleet catches about 2m lbs (900,000kg) of fish annually from the proposed expansion area. The White House said the expansion would help protect more than 7,000 species and improve the resilience of an ecosystem dealing with ocean acidification and warming. A fact sheet previewing the announcement states that the expanded area is considered a sacred place for native Hawaiians. Shipwrecks and downed aircraft from the Battle of Midway in the second world war dot the expansion area. The battle marked a major shift in the war. Obama will travel to the Midway atoll to discuss the expansion. With this decision, Obama will have created or expanded 26 US national monuments. The administration said Obama had protected more acreage through national monument designations than any other president. The White House said the expansion was a response to a proposal from the Democratic senator Brian Schatz and prominent native Hawaiian leaders. Source | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On Wednesday's Kelly File, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange told Megyn Kelly that his organization would release potentially "significant" information on Hillary Clinton before the November election, and on Thursday's show, Kelly played the part of the interview where Assange talks about Donald Trump. "You're clearly not rooting for Hillary, but are you rooting for Trump?" Kelly asked. "No, I mean, if we have good information on Trump, we publish that," Assange said. "You know, some people have asked us, 'When will you release information on Donald Trump?'" Assange said later. "And of course we're very interested in all countries, to reveal the truth about any candidate, so people can understand, but actually it's really hard for us to release anything worse than what comes out of Donald Trump's mouth every second day. I mean, it's part of his charismatic appeal that he speaks off the cuff, but, you know, that's difficult for Donald Trump to overcome, a lot of those things, even with a lot of great material coming out by WikiLeaks and other publications." If that sounds like WikiLeaks is trying to help Trump, remember, Assange says he isn't taking sides. And he doesn't want you to blame Russian hackers for the Democratic National Committee leaks or other Democratic Party cyber-infiltration, as the U.S. intelligence community does. "The allegations by the Clinton campaign that everyone is a Russian agent are really disturbing," Assange said. "Why is that? Well, bizarrely, Hillary Clinton, the Democrat, has become, has positioned herself now, as being the security candidate. She's palled up with the neocons responsible for the Iraq War and she's grabbed on to this sort of neo-McCarthyist hysteria about Russia, and is using that to demonize the Trump campaign." Kelly also asked about WikiLeaks' interest in murdered DNC staffer Seth Rich, and Assange suggested that Rich was a WikiLeaks source but declined to accuse anyone of his murder. She also asked about an Associated Press report outlining private information on rape victims, gay Saudis, and other "collateral damage" in some of Assange's dumps. "Well, it's a nonsense reports," he said. "Its not by AP, it's not some big team at AP who put this together, it's by a single journalist... who has a conflict of interest — have a look at him on Twitter." You can watch the entire segment below. Source | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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nothingmuch
448 Posts
On August 26 2016 08:21 biology]major wrote: It's more like an observation of what is happening in Germany and preventing it from spreading to the US. If it weren't for Trump no one would even be voicing publicly their concerns about patriarchal value systems infiltrating the USA. If the US is right in barring communists and nazis from immigrating, then it should also prevent people from these patriarchal countries with high levels of sexism/bigotry and terrorism as well. It takes Trumps brash and brutish speech to make headlines and open discourse about these issues, because everyone else is afraid of saying words which hurt peoples feelings. Can you elaborate on what's happening in Germany? I'm not sure what exactly you're talking about. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 26 2016 23:45 nothingmuch wrote: Can you elaborate on what's happening in Germany? I'm not sure what exactly you're talking about. He and xDaunt only have abstract arguments about values and Democracy. I guess we have to fill in the rest. | ||
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Introvert
United States5054 Posts
Senior Democratic Party officials balked at plans by Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign to distinguish GOP nominee Donald Trump from Speaker of the House Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and other Republicans, according to emails released by WikiLeaks. The Clinton camp’s quick-response arm “basically want to make the case that you either stand with Ryan or with Trump, that Trump is much worse than regular Republicans,” then-communications director Luis Miranda told CEO Amy Dacey in May. “[T]hey don't want us to tie Trump to other Republicans because they think it makes him look normal.” “That's a problem,” he added in the email, which had a subject line “Problem with HFA," using an acronym for Hillary for America. “We would basically have to throw out our entire frame that the GOP made Trump through years of divisive and ugly politics,” he wrote. “It just doesn't work from the Party side.” Adopting the Clinton campaign’s line, he insisted, would “hold up Paul Ryan as a good example” and "give down ballot Republicans such an easy out.” It “would ALSO put us at odds with … basically all of our Congressional Democrats who have embraced our talking points … to point out that GOPers in Congress have been pushing these ugly policies for years,” he claimed. thehill.com | ||
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Cam Connor
Canada786 Posts
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