EPTHe probably isn't all that popular on the right because they know he is an asshole as well. But he found his niche and capitalizes on it. He is basically the new version of someone like Rush or Glenn Beck.
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
He probably isn't all that popular on the right because they know he is an asshole as well. But he found his niche and capitalizes on it. He is basically the new version of someone like Rush or Glenn Beck. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On August 26 2016 10:41 KwarK wrote: Okay well based on the things that he says and the things that he does and the things that he professes to believe I basically just think that he's pretty detestable all around. I don't feel threatened by this immunity, I don't even know what you mean by immunity in this case. What is it I'm meant to be trying to do to Milo that he is immune to? And why should I feel in any way subverted by his message? Like your analysis was up there with flat earthers claiming that round earthers refuse to believe the truth because their minds are too small to handle how big the idea is. You can say that's what it is as much as you like but the truth is a far more prosaic "no, we just disagree with you". Well, let's start by identifying what his views actually are, because I suspect that you don't really know what they are. What are Milo's views that you find so detestable? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On August 26 2016 10:45 biology]major wrote: I actually think his immunity comes from the fact that he is gay. The left is confused about how to handle a gay dude who is belligerently anti-feminist Bingo. | ||
KwarK
United States43483 Posts
On August 26 2016 10:45 biology]major wrote: I actually think his immunity comes from the fact that he is gay. The left is confused about how to handle a gay dude who is belligerently anti-feminist Yeah because we worship gays and women here on the left. Totally. You can tell by the way we want to let them have rights. Gays can be assholes and women can be cunts, left or not. Like I don't know why you believe the left could possibly be baffled by this unless you have a really, really bad understanding of what the left believes. The left believes Milo should be allowed to marry gay partner if he so wishes, should not be discriminated against for being gay and so forth and that's literally it. Not that he gets to be right all the time for being gay. Like there has been absolutely no shortage of retarded black guys who you can get to say Obamacare is literally worse than slavery and yet the left is still standing because the messenger doesn't fix a fundamentally stupid message. Like is this why the right are so keen on taking token minority retards, putting them on podiums and have them parrot the alt right line? Some kind of weird delusion that the left's beliefs are not actually sincerely held and logically derived conclusions but are just the random utterances of some minorities that were taken at gospel? And therefore the right believe that if they just get the right minority spokesperson to say a counter message suddenly we'll all switch sides? Doesn't work that way. I'm about as threatened by Milo as you would be threatened by a KKK member saying that the market doesn't fix everything. | ||
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oBlade
United States5823 Posts
On August 26 2016 10:37 KwarK wrote: Out of curiousity which countries are defined as Muslim nations in this slippery slope. Presumably Turkey, your NATO ally and friend. What about Albania? Bosnia is only 51% Muslim, where is Bosnia on this totally not slippery slope. Macedonia at 33%? I actually don't have all the answers for this issue but I just found it suspect when someone knows beforehand that any suggestion of controlling immigrants is a mistake. As though there could never conceivably be a case to block immigrants that wouldn't be equivalent to, say, shooting rogue lumberjacks on sight at the Canadian border. So you asking about lines to draw is encouraging. It seems like more of an issue for Europe right now but being hamstrung by the EU I think US leadership might help. On August 26 2016 10:45 biology]major wrote: I actually think his immunity comes from the fact that he is gay. The left is confused about how to handle a gay dude who is belligerently anti-feminist "Homonormativity" has popped up recently, maybe related. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 26 2016 10:47 Hexe wrote: give some examples please, full context, chances are you dont have anything substantial. and dont post his what his fans do, what does milo do that is human garbage? Recently: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/19/breitbart-editor-milo-yiannopoulos-takes-100-000-for-charity-gives-0.html There is this charity he apparently kept all he money from. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/mar/01/the-kernel Failing to pay employees at his failed publication. And then there is the part where he is a self described asshole who's only goal is his own fame and self gratification. And the power of Milo is that he is an asshole who gets other assholes to do mean things to people and then he gloats about it. Just like he is currently doing about the recent hack. Because he is human garbage. He is young Rush, but gay and British. If you think he is great, enjoy? I think he is garbage who carters to people who like to laugh at others. On August 26 2016 10:48 Slaughter wrote: Most people on the left just know he is an asshole and tune him out. Milo's whole thing is predicated on provoking strong reactions from those who can't help themselves and respond and the people who support his views who like to see him "own" people who argue against him. He probably isn't all that popular on the right because they know he is an asshole as well. But he found his niche and capitalizes on it. He is basically the new version of someone like Rush or Glenn Beck. Exactly. He is in it for the fame and money. Nothing more. Self serving and doesn't care what happens to anyone as long as he gets what he wants. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On August 26 2016 10:51 KwarK wrote: Yeah because we worship gays and women here on the left. Totally. You can tell by the way we want to let them have rights. Gays can be assholes and women can be cunts, left or not. Exactly, and reasonable people agree with this. Milo is Ann Coulter with a penis, and yet they're still both twats. All either of them want is attention for their own brand and they're willing to get that attention at any cost. Its the same formula that got Trump through the primaries, its the same formula a lot of people use. It's pretty much become ubiquitous now. It's yellow journalism cranked to 11, some journalists in our scene use the same tactics though not to the same degree they certainly follow the groundwork. Scream the most offensive things possible and you'll get attention. It's just like a child throwing a tantrum, you'll get attention. Some people will want to slap you some people will run to your defense you poor crying thing. Those that come to your defense are now sheep to sell your latest book to. It's not about having a discussion, its not about raising reasonable points. Its about screaming and flinging shit like a caveman and causing a spectacle. People show up to see what in the hell is going on. You don't see a raving lunatic and go "Yeah, I'd like to engage that person in a reasonable calm discussion of beliefs." | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
C'mon, TL liberals. Stop being lame and say something interesting. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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KwarK
United States43483 Posts
Fortunately he just pocketed the money so I've not had to somehow reconcile my worldview with a universe in which a college kid gets a $2,500 scholarship while being white and male but it was a close thing. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On August 26 2016 11:13 xDaunt wrote: I still haven't seen anyone actually highlight a particular opinion that Milo holds that is worthy of the hate that he receives. All that I am seeing is general impeachment and character assassination (not to say that it's not all unwarranted). C'mon, TL liberals. Stop being lame and say something interesting. Every single thing that's ever come out of his mouth? Does that count? I don't care to go through anything involving him again honestly. He's a tiresome unoriginal caricature. I'm trying to be a more positive person so I'm not going to rewatch any of his stuff and give myself some sort of brain disease. Like I said if the man wanted to have a reasonable discussion he wouldn't be using the character he's using. He's using it for eyeballs to sell shit to purely, nothing more. I flat out refuse to give the man a single view on any article or video he's involved in period. So I'm not going to go digging for quotes from a used car salesman clown to have a nuanced discussion about. | ||
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oBlade
United States5823 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On August 26 2016 11:23 Slaughter wrote: Milo is a very public figure and you know damn well what opinions of his people on the left don't like so why are you asking for them to waste their time to tell you what you already know? I don't know anything on this matter. Like I said earlier, I suspect that most people who hate on Milo don't even really understand him (or they deliberately misrepresent him). But, I am making an effort to confirm those suspicions before unfairly maligning anyone around here. | ||
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KwarK
United States43483 Posts
On August 26 2016 11:28 oBlade wrote: They'll probably start disbursing scholarship money for Spring 2017. It's normal to apply considerably before the start of the semester. I applied for scholarships for this semester back in May, Spring scholarships should be taking applications now-ish. But as a straight white male I'll be sure to apply. | ||
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oBlade
United States5823 Posts
On August 26 2016 11:30 KwarK wrote: It's normal to apply considerably before the start of the semester. I applied for scholarships for this semester back in May, Spring scholarships should be taking applications now-ish. But as a straight white male I'll be sure to apply. That's probably why they weren't able to get things together in time for the fall semester. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 26 2016 11:29 xDaunt wrote: I don't know anything on this matter. Like I said earlier, I suspect that most people who hate on Milo don't even really understand him (or they deliberately misrepresent him). But, I am making an effort to confirm those suspicions before unfairly maligning anyone around here. As I said, if someone acts like an asshole, why does it matter what their ideology is and what I think of it? I feel like if someone acts like an asshole, I'm within my right to dislike them for being an asshole. Civility goes a long way toward making people listen to what you actually have to say. But for whatever reason, there's people on all sides of the political spectrum who think being a total jerk to people is cool and would rather people interact that way rather than just treating people like people. | ||
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ragz_gt
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On August 26 2016 05:25 biology]major wrote: We are never going to see eye to eye because the things you consider 'weak' are the opposite for me. Our values are different, you care more about appearances and political correctness rather than the outright lies and ties of corruption. If the CF reports are so weak then why is she planning to cut ties to it if she wins presidency? If emails are no big deal why did she lie about it afterwards multiple times (public vs FBI and then again to chris wallace). If you actually care about lies or corruption the sight of Trump would make you faint. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On August 26 2016 11:32 TheYango wrote: As I said, if someone acts like an asshole, why does it matter what their ideology is and what I think of it? I feel like if someone acts like an asshole, I'm within my right to dislike them for being an asshole. Civility goes a long way toward making people listen to what you actually have to say. But for whatever reason, there's people on all sides of the political spectrum who think being a total jerk to people is cool and would rather people interact that way rather than just treating people like people. This. Most people however do have a limit (that tends to be fairly low) before they just throw up their arms and go "whatever, you're an idiot" and walk away. So while being calm and talking things through is absolutely the way to go eventually you'll hit that limit and just say screw it. Ideally you have people with a high threshold of taking BS go out there and discuss things on behalf of your team. I'm 99% sure it was the JRE podcast from the other day with Louis Theroux where he talked about how to do what he does, dealing with absolutely detestable people like neo nazis or WBC, you have to go in and be as respectful as possible. You'll NEVER change someone's mind going in being a jackass. That's where a character like Milo is entirely fruitless and self defeating if you think he can be a messenger for change. Thankfully for him he's not interested in being that, he's interested in straight cash homey and nothing more. That's also where your average Joe isn't great at changing hearts and minds either because sooner or later talking with someone you reach that point. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 26 2016 10:19 xDaunt wrote: It depends upon what values we are talking about. Even though many Americans disagree with each other on a number of political issues, there are fundamental values that are shared by virtually all Americans that are not shared by large numbers of Muslims (and which are antithetical to the values that many Muslims hold). Having a conversation about gay rights is a total nonstarter when one side demands that all gays be killed in the name of Allah. A discussion about women's right is going to be pretty fruitless when there's insistence from one side that all women cover themselves up. And this is what's most infuriating to conservatives about the debate. For all of the shit that conservatives get from the left about gay and women's rights, conservatives rightly perceive that Muslims get a free on these issues when the positions of most Muslims are 100x worse than anything that a conservative believes. There are fringe groups that are worse than conservatives but probably don't get brought up as much. It would be the same with Muslims. There are people who believe all manner of things in your own country already, but they can coexist. Muslim Americans overwhelmingly vote Democrat, by the way. So apparently they are tolerant of Democratic positions on those issues to some extent. And then you're defending a country of origin ban because you won't get to discuss gay rights with Muslims if they come here? | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On August 26 2016 11:43 ragz_gt wrote: If you actually care about lies or corruption the sight of Trump would make you faint. I don't think very highly of trump. I stopped defending him a while ago, as his words have basically lost meaning to me at this point and I'm not sure what he advocates besides generalities. I just know he is a typical greedy business man in the private sector who profited. That being said, I think Clinton being a public servant is going to be held to a much higher standard when allegations of lying or corruption are made. | ||
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