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On August 02 2016 07:01 LegalLord wrote:
Pretty worried about the Rio Olympics. It has the potential to be the spark of a global Zika epidemic and the local government has proven to be quite incapable of successfully addressing the issue.
A Zika epidemic isn't exactly on the horizon according to WHO:
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/statements/2016/zika-third-ec/en/
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On August 02 2016 07:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I am going to assume this is more of Johnson's strength rather than Clinton's strength.
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Federal investigators said on Monday they have opened a criminal probe into the 2015 spill of some 3 million gallons (11 million liters) of toxic wastewater from a defunct Colorado gold mine that was triggered by a contractor with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).
At the urging of congressional leaders, the EPA’s Office of Inspector General is investigating the rupture from the Gold King Mine above Silverton, Colorado, that fouled waterways in three states and Native American lands, the agency said in a statement.
“Based on requests from several members of the House and Senate, the OIG is conducting both a program evaluation and a criminal investigation of the Gold King Mine spill,” the EPA said in a statement.
The OIG is an independent office that audits, investigates and evaluates the agency’s activities, the EPA statement said.
Last August, a contractor hired by the EPA to slow seepage from the century-old stake breached a tunnel wall, unleashing a torrent of wastewater that had backed up behind the mountainside.
The orange-colored sludge, containing nearly 900,000 pounds (408, 233 kg) of heavy metals, poured into a creek that feeds the Animas and San Juan rivers and traversed into New Mexico, ultimately emptying into Lake Powell in Utah.
Two Republican members of the U.S. Senate’s Committee on Indian Affairs, John McCain of Arizona and Chairman John Barrasso of Wyoming, sent a letter in May to Attorney General Loretta Lynch, urging her to launch a criminal probe into the spill.
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On August 02 2016 07:42 Mohdoo wrote:I am going to assume this is more of Johnson's strength rather than Clinton's strength.
It is the weakness of Trump. McCain and Romney carried that state by 8 points ez pz.
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A substantial enough contingency of doctors around the world say that the WHO is full of shit and has a history of understating risk when it would be politically dangerous to acknowledge it.
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On August 02 2016 07:18 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I think any time a news story lasts two days and clearly illustrates Trump's lack of foresight, people will falsely think it sounds a death knell for his campaign. These stories are unlikely to have a meaningful effect alone, but at least in a rhetoric sense it builds a really nice line of attack for Clinton (though I doubt she'd even bother with it).
I mean, this one is such a crystal clear illustration that he needed to listen to whoever told him if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all or, failing that, at least ask some of his "best people" for help before embarking on a stupid course of action.
The message that Trump is a petty name-caller has been heard and acknowledged. The messenger, however, is one of the least popular nominees in history.
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On August 02 2016 08:10 LegalLord wrote:A substantial enough contingency of doctors around the world say that the WHO is full of shit and has a history of understating risk when it would be politically dangerous to acknowledge it.
These days there's tons of international travel anyways; so I wouldn't expect the Rio olympics to dramatically change the spread pattern of Zika. It's not going to be a full global epidemic because there's areas those mosquitoes just don't live.
The rio olympics in general are looking to be rather of a mess certainly.
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On August 02 2016 08:10 LegalLord wrote:A substantial enough contingency of doctors around the world say that the WHO is full of shit and has a history of understating risk when it would be politically dangerous to acknowledge it.
Now I'm curious. Can you provide any examples of such prior underestimations? I'm here assuming we are talking legitimately full-blown underestimations of a similar magnitude as a Zika pandemic would be.
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On August 02 2016 08:11 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 07:18 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I think any time a news story lasts two days and clearly illustrates Trump's lack of foresight, people will falsely think it sounds a death knell for his campaign. These stories are unlikely to have a meaningful effect alone, but at least in a rhetoric sense it builds a really nice line of attack for Clinton (though I doubt she'd even bother with it).
I mean, this one is such a crystal clear illustration that he needed to listen to whoever told him if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all or, failing that, at least ask some of his "best people" for help before embarking on a stupid course of action. The message that Trump is a petty name-caller has been heard and acknowledged. The messenger, however, is one of the least popular nominees in history.
The best part about Trump is that he has created this myth that nothing he does can hurt him. Except this isn't the primary any more and he needs to win over more than the fraction of 9% of the voting population.
I love the myth because it gives Clinton and the DNC all this space to work with voters who don't like their options. While Trump is calling people names, Clinton is courting votes.
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On August 02 2016 08:10 LegalLord wrote:A substantial enough contingency of doctors around the world say that the WHO is full of shit and has a history of understating risk when it would be politically dangerous to acknowledge it.
Remember bird flu? Swine flu? SARS? Ebola? Looks to me like we're not wiped out yet, so I'll continue to not err on the side of the hysterical ones and not worry about this part of the news cycle.
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the "dangerous epidemic x is around the corner" despite medical professionals telling you that this isn't the case is a reactionary staple because it ties well into the "foreigners are bringing in dangerous germs" stuff. Orban used this a lot when talking about refugees.
I'll guarantee that it comes up in this election cycle in regards to Syrian refugees again
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On August 02 2016 08:30 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 08:10 LegalLord wrote:On August 02 2016 07:38 Ghostcom wrote:On August 02 2016 07:01 LegalLord wrote:
Pretty worried about the Rio Olympics. It has the potential to be the spark of a global Zika epidemic and the local government has proven to be quite incapable of successfully addressing the issue. A Zika epidemic isn't exactly on the horizon according to WHO: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/statements/2016/zika-third-ec/en/ A substantial enough contingency of doctors around the world say that the WHO is full of shit and has a history of understating risk when it would be politically dangerous to acknowledge it. Remember bird flu? Swine flu? SARS? Ebola? Looks to me like we're not wiped out yet, so I'll continue to not err on the side of the hysterical ones and not worry about this part of the news cycle.
No one is saying it's the next Black Plague but just that it's an important health concern. Which bird flu, swine flu, SARS, and Ebola all were. Quite a few people suffered from those diseases and it doesn't take a world-killing disease to be worried about possible risk.
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might be worse than expected, but still not horrific pandemic material; and like I said, the olympics arne't really gonna change it notably, ther'es plenty of international travel already.
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On August 02 2016 08:44 zlefin wrote:
might be worse than expected, but still not horrific pandemic material; and like I said, the olympics arne't really gonna change it notably, ther'es plenty of international travel already.
Thousands of people close in proximity to the disease returning home all at once is certainly going to have the risk of widespread Zika cases. Almost certainly not a Black Plague level pandemic but not a negligible risk and not negligible potential for real damage. Especially for nations with underdeveloped health care.
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On August 02 2016 08:43 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 08:30 Dan HH wrote:On August 02 2016 08:10 LegalLord wrote:On August 02 2016 07:38 Ghostcom wrote:On August 02 2016 07:01 LegalLord wrote:
Pretty worried about the Rio Olympics. It has the potential to be the spark of a global Zika epidemic and the local government has proven to be quite incapable of successfully addressing the issue. A Zika epidemic isn't exactly on the horizon according to WHO: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/statements/2016/zika-third-ec/en/ A substantial enough contingency of doctors around the world say that the WHO is full of shit and has a history of understating risk when it would be politically dangerous to acknowledge it. Remember bird flu? Swine flu? SARS? Ebola? Looks to me like we're not wiped out yet, so I'll continue to not err on the side of the hysterical ones and not worry about this part of the news cycle. No one is saying it's the next Black Plague but just that it's an important health concern. Which bird flu, swine flu, SARS, and Ebola all were. Quite a few people suffered from those diseases and it doesn't take a world-killing disease to be worried about possible risk.
Have you slept thorugh all of those? They were treated exactly like an imminent black plague.
http://harvardpolitics.com/covers/afraid-media-failed-coverage-ebola/
Now Zika doesn't kill so the zombie apocalypse tone of the media is somewhat lower but I still find its coverage heavily overdone on the fear aspect.
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On August 02 2016 08:30 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 08:10 LegalLord wrote:On August 02 2016 07:38 Ghostcom wrote:On August 02 2016 07:01 LegalLord wrote:
Pretty worried about the Rio Olympics. It has the potential to be the spark of a global Zika epidemic and the local government has proven to be quite incapable of successfully addressing the issue. A Zika epidemic isn't exactly on the horizon according to WHO: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/statements/2016/zika-third-ec/en/ A substantial enough contingency of doctors around the world say that the WHO is full of shit and has a history of understating risk when it would be politically dangerous to acknowledge it. Remember bird flu? Swine flu? SARS? Ebola? Looks to me like we're not wiped out yet, so I'll continue to not err on the side of the hysterical ones and not worry about this part of the news cycle.
A lot of people worked very hard to make sure you feel as safe as you do. It's not like the things you listed naturally fizzled out.
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On August 02 2016 08:50 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 08:44 zlefin wrote:
might be worse than expected, but still not horrific pandemic material; and like I said, the olympics arne't really gonna change it notably, ther'es plenty of international travel already. Thousands of people close in proximity to the disease returning home all at once is certainly going to have the risk of widespread Zika cases. Almost certainly not a Black Plague level pandemic but not a negligible risk and not negligible potential for real damage. Especially for nations with underdeveloped health care.
Are you aware that there's about 8000 daily passengers on the US-Brazil airplane flights? (maybe even more)
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On August 02 2016 08:30 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 08:10 LegalLord wrote:On August 02 2016 07:38 Ghostcom wrote:On August 02 2016 07:01 LegalLord wrote:
Pretty worried about the Rio Olympics. It has the potential to be the spark of a global Zika epidemic and the local government has proven to be quite incapable of successfully addressing the issue. A Zika epidemic isn't exactly on the horizon according to WHO: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/statements/2016/zika-third-ec/en/ A substantial enough contingency of doctors around the world say that the WHO is full of shit and has a history of understating risk when it would be politically dangerous to acknowledge it. Remember bird flu? Swine flu? SARS? Ebola? Looks to me like we're not wiped out yet, so I'll continue to not err on the side of the hysterical ones and not worry about this part of the news cycle.
Zika's also not as virulent as any of those, nor as contagious. Most symptoms are fairly mild and the primary concern is for to pregnant women since it's been linked to GBS.
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