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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 01 2016 20:26 GMT
#92161
On August 02 2016 05:12 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 05:06 Doodsmack wrote:
Wonder if Manafort is still getting paid by anyone from Ukraine/Russia?

I think the Times and the Post are trying to confirm he is on Trumps payroll and not working "for free".


shouldnt be hard, just download the fec filing and search his name?
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
August 01 2016 20:27 GMT
#92162
On August 02 2016 05:19 KwarK wrote:
The 2016 election doesn't really obey conventional ideas of more or less likely. I'd probably answer less likely to vote Trump following the convention but that's not really accurate, 0% is still 0%. The divide in this election is more absolute than it has perhaps ever been. One side is literally calling for the other to be jailed etc.

That if nothing else makes me quite suspicious of all forms of prediction sites which try to use "historical trends" to predict elections.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
August 01 2016 20:34 GMT
#92163
Trump is already suggesting that the upcoming general election might get rigged....
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 01 2016 20:35 GMT
#92164
On August 02 2016 05:34 farvacola wrote:
Trump is already suggesting that the upcoming general election might get rigged....


That was a top comment on his AMA on the_donald. His following is pretty much certain electronic voting companies will hand Clinton the election.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44353 Posts
August 01 2016 20:37 GMT
#92165
Which is silly because Carson already told us that the election won't even happen because Obama will have declared martial law by then.
It's been a fun electoral season so far.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 20:41:26
August 01 2016 20:39 GMT
#92166

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's campaign appealed to Capitol Hill for support on Monday as his attacks on the Muslim parents of a decorated U.S. soldier killed in Iraq drew sharp rebukes from fellow party members.

Trump's criticism of Khizr Khan and Ghazala Khan, who took the stage at last week's Democratic convention, sparked a growing wave of concern and dismay from Republican lawmakers responding to the latest Trump outburst to blindside his party colleagues.

Republican Senator John McCain, a former prisoner of war and the most prominent veteran in Congress, along with the commander of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, joined the chorus of condemnation, reflecting the highly regarded place the military and its veterans hold with many in the United States.

Trump's dispute with the Khans has dominated the White House campaign in recent days and underlined the uneasy alliance between many leading Republicans and the party's freewheeling, unorthodox nominee for the Nov. 8 election.


Source

And the congressional Republicans went nopenopenope
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 01 2016 20:46 GMT
#92167
On August 02 2016 05:34 farvacola wrote:
Trump is already suggesting that the upcoming general election might get rigged....

Trump v. Clinton going right up to the Supreme court, even if its to even close.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
August 01 2016 20:47 GMT
#92168
On August 02 2016 05:35 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 05:34 farvacola wrote:
Trump is already suggesting that the upcoming general election might get rigged....


That was a top comment on his AMA on the_donald. His following is pretty much certain electronic voting companies will hand Clinton the election.

that started with the Bernie people during the primary
© Current year.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 01 2016 20:48 GMT
#92169
On August 02 2016 05:46 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 05:34 farvacola wrote:
Trump is already suggesting that the upcoming general election might get rigged....

Trump v. Clinton going right up to the Supreme court, even if its to even close.


Would Trump even have standing?
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 01 2016 20:49 GMT
#92170
On August 02 2016 05:48 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 05:46 Plansix wrote:
On August 02 2016 05:34 farvacola wrote:
Trump is already suggesting that the upcoming general election might get rigged....

Trump v. Clinton going right up to the Supreme court, even if its to even close.


Would Trump even have standing?

Has reality ever slowed him down?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 20:52:07
August 01 2016 20:50 GMT
#92171
Primaries, because they are handled almost entirely by the political party holding the primary itself, are associated with rigging practically every presidential election cycle. Accusations of rigging in the general, particularly given how electoral votes mediate the connection between a vote and an outcome, are a different beast.

As an aside, issues of standing can (and oftentimes do) go straight up to the Supreme Court anyhow
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 01 2016 20:55 GMT
#92172
This Khan thing seems to be going significantly worse for Trump than I expected. The VFW is particularly telling.

Honestly, a simply brilliant play by the democrats baiting him into this. Having a Muslim parent of a dead soldier blast Trump as hard as possible was the perfect bait. If you say something mean enough to Trump with a large enough audience, he will respond no matter what. Having the person doing that be a Muslim made sure it would be slightly offensive. Having that person be a veteran made it so that the comments actually matter, breaking Trump's invincibility. He can say a lot, but not about a dead veteran.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 01 2016 21:17 GMT
#92173


Cbs reporter encounters a Reddit user in the wild.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
August 01 2016 21:20 GMT
#92174
On August 02 2016 05:46 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 05:34 farvacola wrote:
Trump is already suggesting that the upcoming general election might get rigged....

Trump v. Clinton going right up to the Supreme court, even if its to even close.

Is it really a Trump effort if there's not even a lawsuit or two to go along with it?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 01 2016 21:22 GMT
#92175
Ugh if it goes to the supreme court in some sort of weird Bush v Gore style thing with a split court, that'd be a true nightmare.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
August 01 2016 21:23 GMT
#92176
On August 02 2016 05:55 Mohdoo wrote:
This Khan thing seems to be going significantly worse for Trump than I expected. The VFW is particularly telling.

Honestly, a simply brilliant play by the democrats baiting him into this. Having a Muslim parent of a dead soldier blast Trump as hard as possible was the perfect bait. If you say something mean enough to Trump with a large enough audience, he will respond no matter what. Having the person doing that be a Muslim made sure it would be slightly offensive. Having that person be a veteran made it so that the comments actually matter, breaking Trump's invincibility. He can say a lot, but not about a dead veteran.

He's getting called out for it but I'm not seeing anything bad happening. As far as I can tell it's bad for him in the same way that "build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" is bad for him.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24369 Posts
August 01 2016 21:26 GMT
#92177
On August 02 2016 06:22 Nevuk wrote:
Ugh if it goes to the supreme court in some sort of weird Bush v Gore style thing with a split court, that'd be a true nightmare.


The idea that Trump supporters are just going to go away, even if he loses the election, seem misguided at best. Our political landscape is going to be a mess for a while regardless of the outcome in November.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
August 01 2016 21:27 GMT
#92178
On August 02 2016 06:23 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 05:55 Mohdoo wrote:
This Khan thing seems to be going significantly worse for Trump than I expected. The VFW is particularly telling.

Honestly, a simply brilliant play by the democrats baiting him into this. Having a Muslim parent of a dead soldier blast Trump as hard as possible was the perfect bait. If you say something mean enough to Trump with a large enough audience, he will respond no matter what. Having the person doing that be a Muslim made sure it would be slightly offensive. Having that person be a veteran made it so that the comments actually matter, breaking Trump's invincibility. He can say a lot, but not about a dead veteran.

He's getting called out for it but I'm not seeing anything bad happening. As far as I can tell it's bad for him in the same way that "build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" is bad for him.


The mexico thing is stupid in the same breath that in between these stupid comments when he said Russia would not invade Ukraine was stupid. He has gotten away with being a know nothing idiot for the entire campaign so he will most likely get away with that forever.

However when you attack the family of a soldier like that its something else entirely. They deserve a certain level of respect and people around the country across party lines give them that level of respect so when he goes and spits on that across party lines he looks like to be a blunt a terrible human being and when you near universally look like a terrible human being its hard to get people to vote for you.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
August 01 2016 21:27 GMT
#92179
On August 02 2016 06:23 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 05:55 Mohdoo wrote:
This Khan thing seems to be going significantly worse for Trump than I expected. The VFW is particularly telling.

Honestly, a simply brilliant play by the democrats baiting him into this. Having a Muslim parent of a dead soldier blast Trump as hard as possible was the perfect bait. If you say something mean enough to Trump with a large enough audience, he will respond no matter what. Having the person doing that be a Muslim made sure it would be slightly offensive. Having that person be a veteran made it so that the comments actually matter, breaking Trump's invincibility. He can say a lot, but not about a dead veteran.

He's getting called out for it but I'm not seeing anything bad happening. As far as I can tell it's bad for him in the same way that "build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" is bad for him.


Out of curiosity, do you think it SHOULD be bad for a presidential candidate to say stuff like this?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44353 Posts
August 01 2016 21:31 GMT
#92180
On August 02 2016 06:23 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 05:55 Mohdoo wrote:
This Khan thing seems to be going significantly worse for Trump than I expected. The VFW is particularly telling.

Honestly, a simply brilliant play by the democrats baiting him into this. Having a Muslim parent of a dead soldier blast Trump as hard as possible was the perfect bait. If you say something mean enough to Trump with a large enough audience, he will respond no matter what. Having the person doing that be a Muslim made sure it would be slightly offensive. Having that person be a veteran made it so that the comments actually matter, breaking Trump's invincibility. He can say a lot, but not about a dead veteran.

He's getting called out for it but I'm not seeing anything bad happening. As far as I can tell it's bad for him in the same way that "build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" is bad for him.

But the troops!
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