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GreenHorizons
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Falling
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TheTenthDoc
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On August 02 2016 03:20 GreenHorizons wrote: Thought it might be helpful to have a visual representation of what 538 is calling a bigger convention bump for Hillary. + Show Spoiler + (The lines represent the starting date of each convention) Since a fair number of the bigger polls are still half before the convention, the bounce hasn't been fully priced in yet. But you don't do more than read headlines of sources you disagree with, of whom 538 is now one, so I wouldn't expect you to factor that into your presentation of the data. The short-term velocities look about the same at the trailing end, though, which is a good sign. On August 02 2016 02:51 LegalLord wrote: I don't think there's any way to say "you're wrong about your dead son" without coming off as a complete prick. It of course doesn't mean the original speaker is automatically correct either. There's also pretty much no good reason to say "you're wrong about your dead son" at all if you're running for President of the United States. Even if they said mean things about you. | ||
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LegalLord
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On August 02 2016 03:00 zlefin wrote: certainly difficult to do. though I think some way could do it and only come off as rather a prick rather than a complete prick. It also helps if you've got a much better case about them being wrong than that jerk had. I've done enough roleplaying as a courtier (l5r), that I'm sure with some serious effort, I could write up a letter that was only moderately prickish. Meh, I think it's a little petty to hold it against someone that they came off as "more of a prick than they could have" when they were going to be seen as a prick either way. On August 02 2016 03:22 Falling wrote: I think McCain played it pretty cool and calm. He barely defended himself when Trump made his initial attack against McCain's military record and intelligence (did he at all?). Instead he's going up to bat for others connected to the military. Take a gut punch for yourself, shrug it off and then later defend others from the same attacker. Pretty cool guy, imo (and the best sort of vengeance.) To be honest I'm not really sure that John Rambo McCain's support is exactly a good thing to have. He's widely seen as a Bush-like figure, and that group has really fallen out of favor right now. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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A broad coalition of US black activist groups including the Black Lives Matter Network released a policy document demanding reparations and an “end to the wars against Black people” on Monday, as the second anniversary of Mike Brown’s death in Ferguson, Missouri, approaches. “We are dreamers and doers and this platform is meant to articulate some of our vision,” the agenda reads. More than 25 groups including the Black Lives Matter Network, Black Youth Project 100 (BYP100), Dream Defenders and the Million Hoodies Movement for Justice joined together under the banner the “Movement for Black Lives (M4BL)” to present the expansive demands that span issues of economic, social, environmental and racial inequality. Many of the organizations involved began working in the wake of George Zimmerman’s acquittal over the 2012 shooting death of Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, and increasingly gained traction as police killings like those of African Americans such as Brown, Eric Garner and Tamir Rice put national focus on the racially disparate use of police force against black people. The demands include an end to bail, privatized prisons, solitary confinement, and the death penalty, along with the complete decriminalization of drugs and prostitution. “We seek radical transformation, not reactionary reform,” said Michaela Brown, communications director of Baltimore Bloc, one of the groups involved. “As the 2016 election continues, this platform provides us with a way to intervene with an agenda that resists state and corporate power, an opportunity to implement policies that truly value the safety and humanity of Black lives, and an overall means to hold elected leaders accountable.” The coalition also demands an end to what it calls the “mass surveillance of Black communities”, including the elimination of police body cameras. The recording devices have been rapidly adopted by municipalities nationwide to quell outrage over police killings. Other activists have called for a greater use of such cameras, to deter police from using disproportionate force and provide evidence if they do. Source | ||
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Falling
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On August 02 2016 03:27 LegalLord wrote: To be honest I'm not really sure that John Rambo McCain's support is exactly a good thing to have. He's widely seen as a Bush-like figure, and that group has really fallen out of favor right now. Oh it might do absolutely nothing to people supporting Trump. It might very well be open season on veterans not with Trump. But I'm saying I respect how he handled himself. | ||
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Plansix
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Although I don’t agree with everything in their demand and it’s a clear “shoot the moon” style document, the surveillance angle of body cameras is no something I thought about. I’m still very pro-body camera, but there should be clear rules for when video is destroyed if its not used in an investigation. And limits on how it can be used without probable cause. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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ticklishmusic
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On August 02 2016 04:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOOzteXCmVM from the man that called avoiding STD's his own personal vietnam, i'm somehow not surprised. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 02 2016 03:27 LegalLord wrote: Meh, I think it's a little petty to hold it against someone that they came off as "more of a prick than they could have" when they were going to be seen as a prick either way. To be honest I'm not really sure that John Rambo McCain's support is exactly a good thing to have. He's widely seen as a Bush-like figure, and that group has really fallen out of favor right now. Trump didn't have to say anything to the dad or mom, and didn't have to come off as a prick. It was just Trump being petty as usual after being criticized, not being able to let it go. So after the DNC it was a Trump pettiness tour. #DiceRoll | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On August 02 2016 04:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOOzteXCmVM Trump supporters and surrogates are as disgusting as Trump himself. Seriously, Mitt Romney positively looks like a saint now and would have absolutely crushed Hillary if he had been nominated this year. On August 02 2016 03:27 LegalLord wrote: Meh, I think it's a little petty to hold it against someone that they came off as "more of a prick than they could have" when they were going to be seen as a prick either way. All Trump needed to do was let this issue die out of the news cycle, just issue a press release thanking Mr. Khan for their family's sacrifice, but saying something to the effect of - "While I understand Mr.Khan's views, the current cycle of terrorism demands far more radical policy positions than at any previous time in history" . That's all there was to be done. A little bit of humility and nuance are all that is needed. Instead he dragged himself into it like a pig and drew the entire discourse into the gutter by insulting his wife and insinuating that he had made comparable sacrifices to a soldier who gave up his life. The only sacrifices he made were the marriages to his ex-wives in pursuit of his next younger, prettier conquest. Truly a contemptible human being. | ||
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zlefin
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On August 02 2016 03:27 LegalLord wrote: Meh, I think it's a little petty to hold it against someone that they came off as "more of a prick than they could have" when they were going to be seen as a prick either way. To be honest I'm not really sure that John Rambo McCain's support is exactly a good thing to have. He's widely seen as a Bush-like figure, and that group has really fallen out of favor right now. I see no pettiness involved from me or others. There are many degrees of poor behavior, and ample justification for distinguishing between them. | ||
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Doodsmack
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Plansix
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On August 02 2016 05:06 Doodsmack wrote: Wonder if Manafort is still getting paid by anyone from Ukraine/Russia? I think the Times and the Post are trying to confirm he is on Trumps payroll and not working "for free". | ||
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