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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On August 02 2016 08:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD0UMYb4xS0 So which criticism has Kahn made about Trump ? | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On August 02 2016 08:53 Dan HH wrote: Have you slept thorugh all of those? They were treated exactly like an imminent black plague. http://harvardpolitics.com/covers/afraid-media-failed-coverage-ebola/ Now Zika doesn't kill so the zombie apocalypse tone of the media is somewhat lower but I still find its coverage heavily overdone on the fear aspect. Well you can argue that they didn't become much bigger then they were because of the efforts of organizations like the WHO. Its their job to identify threats and make sure they don't reach epidemic levels. | ||
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MasterCynical
505 Posts
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/01/hillary-clinton/hillary-clintons-wrong-claim-fbi-director-comey-ca/ | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On August 02 2016 09:17 MasterCynical wrote: I'm extremely perplexed at how anyone can trust Hillary at all... She literally just lied about what the FBI said in their public statement about their investigation. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/01/hillary-clinton/hillary-clintons-wrong-claim-fbi-director-comey-ca/ alot of people don't trust hillary much, or at all. another important distinction is that between trusting in someone's honesty/truthfulness, and trusting in the consistency of their behavior. Similar reasons as why some people trust Trump, despite him clearly being a liar, different interpretations of the info presented. | ||
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Vin{MBL}
5185 Posts
On August 02 2016 09:26 zlefin wrote: alot of people don't trust hillary much, or at all. another important distinction is that between trusting in someone's honesty/truthfulness, and trusting in the consistency of their behavior. Similar reasons as why some people trust Trump, despite him clearly being a liar, different interpretations of the info presented. I think people are just more scared of trump winning rather than actually liking her. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On August 02 2016 09:33 Vin{MBL} wrote: I think people are just more scared of trump winning rather than actually liking her. The sad thing is that that is the best case she can make for herself. Decades in politics and her biggest selling point is that she is better presidential material than a billionaire and reality TV personality with no experience in politics. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On August 02 2016 09:51 LegalLord wrote: The sad thing is that that is the best case she can make for herself. Decades in politics and her biggest selling point is that she is better presidential material than a billionaire and reality TV personality with no experience in politics. it is a bit sad; though there are some other selling points one could use. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On August 02 2016 09:53 zlefin wrote: it is a bit sad; though there are some other selling points one could use. I was waiting for them, especially at the DNC. No dice, it was basically an anti-Trump fest of the highest order. | ||
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Deathstar
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 02 2016 09:56 LegalLord wrote: I was waiting for them, especially at the DNC. No dice, it was basically an anti-Trump fest of the highest order. It was pretty disappointing. I expected the RNC to be centered on the anti-Hillary stuff, but I expected the DNC to at least be a little better than that. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On August 02 2016 09:56 LegalLord wrote: I was waiting for them, especially at the DNC. No dice, it was basically an anti-Trump fest of the highest order. the DNC might not've put them forth, but i'm sure there's some out there; they're just not very exciting. Also remember the DNC isn't for convincing the undecided, so it's not where they present the evidence to convince such people. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13909 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On August 02 2016 08:54 TheYango wrote: Zika's also not as virulent as any of those, nor as contagious. Most symptoms are fairly mild and the primary concern is for to pregnant women since it's been linked to GBS. We'll see what happens in Florida. From what I read in the news today the mosquitoes there became carriers by feeding on people who were infected and then transferred it to other people. Now this was a very small area there and mosquitoes don't exist in every climate, but it could lead to some semblance of a pandemic after the Olympics if its true. if you're interested in the article | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
But nobody tweeted about it and the media didn't cover it much because it wasn't as good reality T.V. as Donald Trump getting shut down by the wife of a deceased service-person after making a dumbass comment. So please, don't think you get an accurate picture of the convention from what the media covers. It's like getting an accurate picture of the polls from headlines-it's useless. Unless people actually think nothing happened at the Republican convention besides Cruz's speech? | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On August 02 2016 09:59 Deathstar wrote: Of course there are other selling points Hillary can use. But the most obvious and effective tool right now is to contrast herself with Donald Trump. People have a finite attention span. What's sad is how far Trump has come in the Republican party. This isn't a 50/50 matter of opinion. One side of objectively bad for the country and its people. Hillary isn't exactly good for the country either. Most people see her as a lesser evil but many see Trump as a lesser evil because Hillary is so bad. She needs more than that, and I hoped the DNC could be an example of all the ways that Hillary would push the country forward, and laid out a solid policy palatable to the progressive and independent voters she needs to win over. But nah, just anti-Trump and identity politics. As it stands she isn't quite where she needs to be to really have a safe margin for victory. | ||
KwarK
United States42596 Posts
On August 02 2016 08:30 Dan HH wrote: Remember bird flu? Swine flu? SARS? Ebola? Looks to me like we're not wiped out yet, so I'll continue to not err on the side of the hysterical ones and not worry about this part of the news cycle. New strains of flu can, do, have and will killed millions. They spread fast, kill well and render previous immunities obsolete forcing new vaccines to be developed every year. There was a colossal response to swine and bird flu, neither of which killed millions. But that doesn't mean it was wasted effort or an exaggerated threat. The experts judged it appropriate to prevent a pandemic and second guessing them without knowing what would have happened had they not responded is dumb. Look up the Spanish Flu pandemic in 1919. It killed more people that WW1. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On August 02 2016 09:51 LegalLord wrote: The sad thing is that that is the best case she can make for herself. Decades in politics and her biggest selling point is that she is better presidential material than a billionaire and reality TV personality with no experience in politics. In France we had a socialist figure named Mitterand who was elected President in 1981 with the communist (who back then represented a lot of people from the working class, up to 30 % of the voters in the seventies). He was a very intelligent and charismatic guy, with a very shaddy history (most notably during the german occupation) and he proposed a real socialist plan, with public banks and all. Suffice to say at some point in 1983 his plan did not function well (mainly because of the genesis of the euro but that's another matter) and he changed his plan, made a 180° right back to liberal economy. Many communist left the government, and he lost a lot of popularity so he had to find another way to get reelected. What he did - which is pretty well known today - was to somehow help / promote a very small and extreme right wing party known as the Front National, talking about this party in order to split the right vote in two. Thanks to that he got elected again (and helped the rise of the FN who might win the next election, while participating in the killing of the communist party, who's now totally dead since twenty years). Hillary and Trump makes me think of that. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13909 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On August 02 2016 10:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: We'll see what happens in Florida. From what I read in the news today the mosquitoes there became carriers by feeding on people who were infected and then transferred it to other people. Now this was a very small area there and mosquitoes don't exist in every climate, but it could lead to some semblance of a pandemic after the Olympics if its true. if you're interested in the article again, there's 8000 DAILY travelers us-brazil. The olympics don't greatly change the amount of overall international travel, there's TONS of it already. | ||
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