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stichlasser
Profile Joined March 2011
69 Posts
July 31 2016 16:58 GMT
#91901
On August 01 2016 01:53 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Just listen to what their supporters say. For the most part they want to have already pre-supposed values before discussions are made to see what's doable.

Trump says he'll build a wall, that he'll get rid of muslims, to help whites, to cut taxes, etc... The details and what actually is workable is not important to them because they want the general feeling that their emotions have been sated.

The same is true with Bernie supporters.

Bernie says $15 minimum wage while clinton says that $12 was the average they saw but its really different depending on what state you're looking at. Bernie then accuses hilary of being anti-minimum wage. Why? because she didn't throw the biggest number. Its the same with everything else between Hilary and Bernie. They have the exact same platform but Hilary wants to be open to discussion while Bernie has clear statements of who the good guys and bad guys are "supporters good, banks bad, supporters good, non-supporters bad" and the rhetoric does not but make his supporters rabid xenophobes to anyone who isn't on their side (not much different than Trump)

The main difference is that Trump divides by race while Bernie divides by class. But their strategies are not that different overall.

Populists like extreme statements because it makes them feel good. They don't want someone to say that they will work with others, they want to hear their guy say that they will destroy the opposition. Not that the country is having a hard time, but that the country is about to die. They don't like any concessions in anything.

At least trump supporters vote for their beliefs. Its obvious Bernie supporters are happy enough whining but don't actually vote.


If someone tells you "how things are" instead of "we can discuss that point" or "it isn't that simple", they are also sending a signal of security, maybe that can be added to the list of points you put up. Thank you for the input on the difference between Hillary and Bernie, that really made a lot of things clearer for me!

{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-31 17:09:32
July 31 2016 17:08 GMT
#91902
Shortly after Barack Obama’s victory in the 2008 presidential election, the former chair of the North Carolina Republican party wrote an anxious postmortem saying something had to be done about the students and black voters whose unprecedented turnout had turned the state blue for the first time in 32 years.

The alternative, the former state chair Jack Hawke wrote, was that the country would “continue to slide toward socialism”.

That “something” turned out to be a notorious omnibus law – better known to its detractors as the “monster law” – passed by a Republican-majority state legislature in 2013. The legislation gutted many of the progressive voting rules that had contributed to Obama’s razor-thin margin in the state: same-day registration, a lengthy early voting period and out-of-precinct voting by provisional ballot – all favored disproportionately by African American voters and students. The law also introduced a strict voter ID requirement, with the anticipated effect of suppressing Democratic votes even further.

Had the law stood, it could have been the biggest setback for voting rights in North Carolina since the Jim Crow era, a brazen attempt by conservatives to upend the rules of democratic engagement and block access to groups most likely to oppose them. The Republicans have sought to couch their maneuvering in more benign terms, as a form of justifiable partisan warfare. Hawke noted in his postmortem that the Democrats had been motivated, united and well-financed in 2008, and said it was up to the Republicans to respond in kind.

That argument has come crashing down, following a flurry of remarkable court rulings over the past two weeks accusing North Carolina and three other Republican-run states – Wisconsin, Kansas and Texas – of violating the 1965 Voting Rights Act and intentionally discriminating against African Americans and other classes of voters. State and federal judges have struck down laws that could have given the Republicans a significant edge in close races this November, lifting the spirits of voting rights activists who have been campaigning against such laws for more than a decade.

“Winning an election does not empower anyone in any party to engage in purposeful racial discrimination,” the fourth circuit court of appeals ruled in the North Carolina case on Friday. “When a legislature dominated by one party has dismantled barriers to African American access to the franchise, even if done to gain votes, ‘politics as usual’ does not allow a legislature dominated by the other party to re-erect those barriers.”

The omnibus law has been almost entirely swept away and is now unlikely to be resurrected in any form before November, when Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump will be fighting over every vote in North Carolina, where recent polls show them less than two points apart.

In Kansas, which is not a swing state, a state court pushed back against an attempt by the state’s top Republican elections official, Kris Kobach, to prevent an estimated 17,500 Kansans from voting in state and local races even though they have been recognized as eligible by federal courts. They will now be allowed to participate fully in primary elections this Tuesday.


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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11607 Posts
July 31 2016 17:35 GMT
#91903
On July 31 2016 23:19 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2016 18:41 Shingi11 wrote:
I just cant fathom why trump goes after war heroes, i can see disagreeing with there polices. There is a lot i did not agree with mccain about. But to go after someone on such a personal level when they have lost so much. His handling of Mr. Khan was just a disgrace.

Can you guys who support trump really keep turning a blind eye to this. IS it really doing to take trump shooting someone like he says. mccain is not even someone in my party and that shit still angers me.

All I've seen regarding the Khan thing was that two minute interview clip posted earlier, so I very well could be wrong here....but didn't he go after Mr./Mrs Khan, while their son was the war hero, not them? Or was Mr. Khan a veteran as well?

If he wasn't...then the whole "What have you sacrificed for this country" seems kind of ironic, as it was his son who made a sacrifice for the country, not him.

Agreed the McCain thing was stupid though.

Their son made the decision, but losing your son or daughter is sacrifice enough in my opinion- no irony there.

On August 01 2016 01:29 stichlasser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 01:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
If he's not releasing his returns, then he's got something he's hiding - something he doesn't want made public.



Not really. Would you release yours?

Given that it's been demanded of presidents for awhile now, then yes I would have no problem releasing mine.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44351 Posts
July 31 2016 17:38 GMT
#91904
On August 01 2016 01:29 stichlasser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 01:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
If he's not releasing his returns, then he's got something he's hiding - something he doesn't want made public.



Not really. Would you release yours?

I would release mine.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 31 2016 17:39 GMT
#91905
On August 01 2016 01:29 stichlasser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 01:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
If he's not releasing his returns, then he's got something he's hiding - something he doesn't want made public.



Not really. Would you release yours?


Why wouldn't I?

GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 31 2016 17:50 GMT
#91906
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44351 Posts
July 31 2016 17:55 GMT
#91907
That doesn't even make sense. He surely means "the failure of our "leaders" to eradicate it", right?
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 31 2016 17:57 GMT
#91908
On August 01 2016 02:55 KwarK wrote:
That doesn't even make sense. He surely means "the failure of our "leaders" to eradicate it", right?

Twitter has its limits. He wants to give a cause for the failure.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
July 31 2016 18:00 GMT
#91909
Funny thing is that the only reason it was about anything other than Radical Islam was Trumps own incompetence. He has only his own aggressively thin skin and bullying attitude to blame.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 31 2016 18:05 GMT
#91910
I like the previous tweet where Trump asks where Mr. Khan gets the right to claim that Trump hadn't ready the Constitution. And then everyone quickly checks to make sure it isn't a parody account.
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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9246 Posts
July 31 2016 18:06 GMT
#91911
Is radical islam even in your country's top 100 issues right now? I reckon not even the next German elections will have the electoral campaigns focused on it this much
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
July 31 2016 18:10 GMT
#91912
If Trumo wins will we see him get into celebesque twitter fights with whoever runs ISIS social media?
Never Knows Best.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
July 31 2016 18:10 GMT
#91913
On August 01 2016 02:57 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 02:55 KwarK wrote:
That doesn't even make sense. He surely means "the failure of our "leaders" to eradicate it", right?

Twitter has its limits. He wants to give a cause for the failure.

Did you just claim that incorrectly writing "weakness" (8 letters) instead of "failure" (7) is Twitter's fault?
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
July 31 2016 18:14 GMT
#91914
On August 01 2016 03:06 Dan HH wrote:
Is radical islam even in your country's top 100 issues right now? I reckon not even the next German elections will have the electoral campaigns focused on it this much


Terrorism is #2 after the Economy according to PEW.

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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
July 31 2016 18:18 GMT
#91915
On August 01 2016 03:10 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 02:57 xDaunt wrote:
On August 01 2016 02:55 KwarK wrote:
That doesn't even make sense. He surely means "the failure of our "leaders" to eradicate it", right?

Twitter has its limits. He wants to give a cause for the failure.

Did you just claim that incorrectly writing "weakness" (8 letters) instead of "failure" (7) is Twitter's fault?


On August 01 2016 02:57 xDaunt wrote:Twitter has its limits. He wants to give a cause for the failure.


Did you just skip the second (2.nd) sentence?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 31 2016 18:19 GMT
#91916
FP is quite up there this time around. It's a shame that too many people buy into the charade that Hillary isn't god awful at FP, and the Republicans can only criticize Benghazi because they're even worse.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22630 Posts
July 31 2016 18:23 GMT
#91917
On August 01 2016 03:19 LegalLord wrote:
FP is quite up there this time around. It's a shame that too many people buy into the charade that Hillary isn't god awful at FP, and the Republicans can only criticize Benghazi because they're even worse.

Hillary is not going to fuck up the relations with Europe or Asia. Trump may well do so.

Neither will be successful in the middle east because of how screwed up the entire region is and how hard it is to actually fight terrorist organizations.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
July 31 2016 18:24 GMT
#91918
On August 01 2016 03:18 Ghostcom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 03:10 OtherWorld wrote:
On August 01 2016 02:57 xDaunt wrote:
On August 01 2016 02:55 KwarK wrote:
That doesn't even make sense. He surely means "the failure of our "leaders" to eradicate it", right?

Twitter has its limits. He wants to give a cause for the failure.

Did you just claim that incorrectly writing "weakness" (8 letters) instead of "failure" (7) is Twitter's fault?


Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 02:57 xDaunt wrote:Twitter has its limits. He wants to give a cause for the failure.


Did you just skip the second (2.nd) sentence?

No, but it doesn't change much. The second sentence is just a wild assumption over what he wanted to do, especially considering that in this context, it wouldn't be hard for people to deduce that the failure of our leaders is caused by them being weak.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 31 2016 18:48 GMT
#91919
On August 01 2016 03:19 LegalLord wrote:
FP is quite up there this time around. It's a shame that too many people buy into the charade that Hillary isn't god awful at FP, and the Republicans can only criticize Benghazi because they're even worse.

I'm not saying she's great at FP; but I don't consider her god-awful (at least to my recollection). This is mostly due to differences about what could actually be accomplished which we have already discussed.

Agree that foreign policy is something people talk about alot, and seems to have a fair portion of focus this campaign season.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-31 18:54:09
July 31 2016 18:52 GMT
#91920
He's going to try and find a way out of the debates:

The Commission on Presidential Debates is responding to Donald Trump and the Republican National Committee's complaints about the debate schedule with a message on Sunday: The schedule is set.

"The Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) started working more than 18 months ago to identify religious and federal holidays, baseball league playoff games, NFL games, and other events in order to select the best nights for the 2016 debates. It is impossible to avoid all sporting events, and there have been nights on which debates and games occurred in most election cycles. A debate has never been rescheduled as a result," the commission said in a statement.

Donald Trump and RNC officials have complained that two of the three scheduled presidential and one vice-presidential debates overlap with NFL games. Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort said their campaign staff would sit down with the Commission on Presidential Debates "in the next week or so" to discuss the debate schedule and RNC chairman Reince Priebus said last week that he believes the political parties should have more say in the general election debate schedule. On Sunday, Priebus added: "Certainly we're not going to agree with anything that our nominee doesn't agree with."

The bipartisan CPD selected the debate dates and locations in September of 2015. The NFL announced their regular-season schedule this April, though there's nothing at all unusual about games being scheduled on Sunday or Monday nights.

In 2012, each of the debates fell on football game days, though each debate had at least 58 million people watch each, with the first debate drawing nearly 70 million viewers.

"As a point of reference, in a four-year period, there are four general election debates (three presidential and one vice presidential), and approximately 1,000 NFL games," the commission said in its statement.

"The CPD selects the debate dates a year in advance in order for the television networks to have maximum lead time and predictability in scheduling these extremely important civic education forums. The CPD believes the dates for the 2016 debates will serve the American public well."

Though the debates were set well before Trump or Hillary Clinton became the nominees of their parties, Trump’s campaign has suggested the Clinton campaign manipulated the process to guarantee the debates would be seen by fewer people. This line of argument was made by Jason Miller, Trump’s senior communications adviser, on CNN on Sunday morning in an interview with “Reliable Sources” host Brian Stelter.


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