EPTPersonally I'm moderately right-leaning, and I disagree with a lot of dem policies, but that's besides the point when Trump is the alternative. Can we collectively have the integrity to vote for the nation first and our party lines second in November?
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
Personally I'm moderately right-leaning, and I disagree with a lot of dem policies, but that's besides the point when Trump is the alternative. Can we collectively have the integrity to vote for the nation first and our party lines second in November? | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
But at the same time his opponent is Hillary Clinton and he does raise a lot of good points that just about no one else wants to talk about. That gets him a lot of support. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13750 Posts
Unless the Russian hackers are state actors they're just breaking non existent international laws. Those 30k deleted emails does seem a little hanky and has been a tough meme for the hilldawgs to break. I follow the chael sonnen "toughest guy on the playground" theory about trump and his support. | ||
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Shingi11
290 Posts
Can you guys who support trump really keep turning a blind eye to this. IS it really doing to take trump shooting someone like he says. mccain is not even someone in my party and that shit still angers me. | ||
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Ravianna26
United States44 Posts
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On July 31 2016 18:45 Ravianna26 wrote: Clinton using that poor man's son's death to attempt to manipulate people into voting for her is disgraceful and yet another reason not to vote for her. If I wasn't voting for Trump I'd write in Ben Carson or Ted Cruz. Clinton is worse than what people falsely accuse Trump of being. Do you think Clinton manipulated that "poor man" into his actions? If he is choosing to use his own tragedy for a cause which he believes is appropriate, I don't see how that morally falls on Clinton at all. Furthermore, is it also disgraceful for somebody to leverage the deaths arising in terrorist attacks for their own agenda? If so, I have news for you... | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10601 Posts
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On July 31 2016 18:41 Shingi11 wrote: I just cant fathom why trump goes after war heroes, i can see disagreeing with there polices. There is a lot i did not agree with mccain about. But to go after someone on such a personal level when they have lost so much. His handling of Mr. Khan was just a disgrace. Can you guys who support trump really keep turning a blind eye to this. IS it really doing to take trump shooting someone like he says. mccain is not even someone in my party and that shit still angers me. Trump portrays what he thinks an "Alpha" is even though he's nothing approaching the term. He actually thinks he's a hard ass, he believes he's done anything of actual consequence. He puts out the machismo vibe and many other people who can also only dream of what it is to be Alpha look up to him as this false idol. It's legitimately the blind leading the blind. I'm sure this is how a true bad ass acts, he shouts a lot and is doesn't care what comes out of his mouth! That's what I imagine a man's man to be! Only the most hardcore of hard asses rip on a prisoner of war, especially as a dude who never served. Alpha males threaten lawsuits at anyone who looks at them funny, they're super self conscious you know. Trust fund babies who are bullies make the most macho dudes everyone knows. Trump is that kid in the playground who talks mad shit because he thinks he's hard. He has some hangers on that actually buy into his aura. He's always got some excuse or story. But he's never fought in his life and he never actually steps to anyone because he knows he'd get totally destroyed. Everyone remembers that kid from school. Trump is the 70 year old that kid. That's why he runs his mouth about men who are a thousand times the man he is like McCain. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland11928 Posts
On July 31 2016 20:36 OuchyDathurts wrote: Trump is that kid in the playground who talks mad shit because he thinks he's hard. He has some hangers on that actually buy into his aura. He's always got some excuse or story. But he's never fought in his life and he never actually steps to anyone because he knows he'd get totally destroyed. Everyone remembers that kid from school. Trump is the 70 year old that kid. That's why he runs his mouth about men who are a thousand times the man he is like McCain. So Trump is Namond if noone had ever confronted him? Interesting. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9017 Posts
Reminds me of this other product of the 'fake it til you make it' subculture (from 7:05 til the end if the timestamp doesn't work): + Show Spoiler + | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On July 31 2016 21:11 Nebuchad wrote: So Trump is Namond if noone had ever confronted him? Interesting. Maybe? I'm not familiar with Namond, never watched The Wire. It's on the never ending list of things I should watch and never get around to. Donald Trump is the saying "If you have to say it it's probably not true" given human form. | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
On July 31 2016 18:41 Shingi11 wrote: I just cant fathom why trump goes after war heroes, i can see disagreeing with there polices. There is a lot i did not agree with mccain about. But to go after someone on such a personal level when they have lost so much. His handling of Mr. Khan was just a disgrace. Can you guys who support trump really keep turning a blind eye to this. IS it really doing to take trump shooting someone like he says. mccain is not even someone in my party and that shit still angers me. I don't think its inconceivable that parents may have different political views on a subject, in particular, how their son's death should be politicized (or whether it should be politicized at all). In the event that the mother disagrees with the father, but they are invited to speak at the convention, they may decide to just settle their differences and go one way. And since, typically, you see both the mother and father speak whenever a tragedy occurs like this one, there is to some extent an understandable level of suspicion on why that was not the case here. So all in all I can actually understand where Trump is coming from. It is probably offensive to say to the parent, but if you look at the record he honored his parents as well, and said he was sorry for their loss and respects the sacrifice their son made. I can't come away with this in such a black and white way as most people seem to. The thing is, Trump is kind of a conspiracy theorist. He already believes that China created global warming as a hoax to make money (not sure how that works but oh well). Of course there is the whole birther movement, as well as his belief that the Mexican government is deliberately sending its prison population to the United States. To suggest that his wife might not have had the right to speak is just another conspiracy theory to his mind, which is prone to it. In that sense I don't see his statements as willingly causing offense, but rather exploring possibilities most people just dismiss. Most 9/11 conspiracy theorists are also "deeply offensive" to the people who lost lives in 9/11. But they are not *deliberately* trying to harm those people; they simply believe they don't exist (fabricated by the media) or are well-planted agents. That's the same way I see Trump. And so in this case you have the conditions for another conspiracy, which he suggests as possible. And immediately everyone else viciously targets him for exploring possibilities that others find unthinkable or too offensive to consider, even though technically they are perfectly legitimate in theory and could very well happen. For those reasons I would reject the characterization of many of his statements as deliberate slander, or "going after a person" as you put it. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
But he hasn't, because he's an ill-informed drama hungry man who cares more about airtime than actually improving things. I'm actually pretty amazed he hasn't said the RNC was incompetent for agreeing to them too. Moreover, if the schedule was set in September, they couldn't possibly have been targeting him seeing as how he wasn't the nominee and they definitely didn't think he would be. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On July 31 2016 18:45 Ravianna26 wrote: Clinton using that poor man's son's death to attempt to manipulate people into voting for her is disgraceful and yet another reason not to vote for her. If I wasn't voting for Trump I'd write in Ben Carson or Ted Cruz. Clinton is worse than what people falsely accuse Trump of being. So your backup choices are Carson and Cruz? huh, I'd think you could've found better. snark (no response required): and what about the things people rightfully accuse Trump of being? | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On July 31 2016 15:06 Godwrath wrote: Who said anything about caring what she believes deep down on her soul ? You care about if she truly would attempt to work on those subjects where she changed stances if you care that much about them, if it seems dishonest, you may think that she won't do anything about them. It's not about what she truly believes, but what you perceive she will do lol. And people have a habit of not trusting people who changes on subjects often for good reason (ie say anything to get elected, do whatever they want to when they finally get in). If only she didn't have a multi-decade track record of voting on progressive stances despite what she has to say at the time. If only 60% of the progressives didn't already agree with her stances. If only she didn't already have close ties with fellow progressives who also have been working to push their agendas. If only laws and government was decided not by one person but by hundreds of people working in conjunction keeping checks and balances on each other. If only it wasn't the local elections that helped dictate what gets passed and the president was just there to veto if crazy things comes to pass. The one person you want to be flexible is the person who isn't writing the laws, but is there to make sure the laws that pass are things acceptable to the public. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
On July 31 2016 18:41 Shingi11 wrote: I just cant fathom why trump goes after war heroes, i can see disagreeing with there polices. There is a lot i did not agree with mccain about. But to go after someone on such a personal level when they have lost so much. His handling of Mr. Khan was just a disgrace. Can you guys who support trump really keep turning a blind eye to this. IS it really doing to take trump shooting someone like he says. mccain is not even someone in my party and that shit still angers me. All I've seen regarding the Khan thing was that two minute interview clip posted earlier, so I very well could be wrong here....but didn't he go after Mr./Mrs Khan, while their son was the war hero, not them? Or was Mr. Khan a veteran as well? If he wasn't...then the whole "What have you sacrificed for this country" seems kind of ironic, as it was his son who made a sacrifice for the country, not him. Agreed the McCain thing was stupid though. | ||
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RolleMcKnolle
Germany1054 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7811 Posts
Or : Parents are gutted that while their son died for the country, this biggoted moron spread hatred and fear against their entire community and decided to speak up. (Both narrative reflecting the respective level of intellectual integrity of Hillary and Trump's supporters.) | ||
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
On July 31 2016 23:27 RolleMcKnolle wrote: can someone explain to me the reason why society expects candidates to publish their tax returns? Not that I think trump and Clinton aren't particularly suited for that request, but why is it expected in general? I have never heard of that in another country. I don't even understand the reasoning...what do people "expect/want" to see from them? That he isn't worth $10 Billion? Okay, he may have lied about his networth, I very much doubt that is going to change anyone's opinion. That he doesn't pay a massive rate? Okay, he is handling his taxes intelligently, and understand the loopholes he talks about closing, seems like a positive to me. | ||
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