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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 29 2016 23:59 zeo wrote: Comparing Clinton to Hitler or Stalin is silly though, they would never sell out their countries for personal gain (wealth). She is more of a Southeast Asian president or an African dictator. Batista is the first name that springs to mind in the Americas. Sell outs dont normally release their tax returns btw. Let me know when you get Batista's .. oh wait. thats why they release tax returns in the first place. Sell out myth dispelled. Meanwhile Trumps tax returns situation status is still list as "its complicated." Right... | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On July 30 2016 00:21 IgnE wrote: Do we really have multiple people in this thread with cluster headaches? Is that just a huge coincidence or is the 0.2% incidence rate inaccurate? And are people speaking from experience or just repeating what is available on the wikipedia page? Because I'm pretty sure m4ni has been to that page more than once before. Obviously i was more than once on the page on cluster headaches, and on many more for that matter. I think that's rather normal if you have a condition that literally makes you think of jumping off a bridge in it's worst form. edit: blah, misunderstood you, i'm sorry | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/28/politics/donald-trump-russia-hacking-sarcastic/ + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/738/025/db0.jpg) | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On July 30 2016 00:21 IgnE wrote: Do we really have multiple people in this thread with cluster headaches? Is that just a huge coincidence or is the 0.2% incidence rate inaccurate? And are people speaking from experience or just repeating what is available on the wikipedia page? Because I'm pretty sure m4ni has been to that page more than once before. I just have a couple random periods ranging from a few days to a few weeks each year, and I'm relatively lucky that it's easily treatable. I would guess that there's some degree of under-reporting, you'd have to see a specialist to get diagnosed and counted in that statistic. I figure quite a few people probably don't opt to do that and just grit their teeth and bear it. My mom has cluster headaches (maybe I got them from her, IDK how heritable it is) and she + me have never been to a doctor about it. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On July 30 2016 00:36 ticklishmusic wrote: Mine are not nearly as bad/ far more treatable. I would guess that there's some degree of under-reporting, you'd have to see a specialist to get diagnosed and counted in that statistic. Yep, for the first couple of years i would've been in the "migraine" statistic, until a neurologist finally had the correct guess. Although cluster headaches were criminally neglected back then anyway, with zero remedies. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 29 2016 08:11 FiWiFaKi wrote: Come on, this was done purely to get more Bernie supports to like Hillary. It has nothing to do with being uplifting and happy. I wish you didn't try to defend Hillary and the DNC to the bone when she really doesn't deserve it. A strategy to get eyes off of the things in the emails, and sadly I think it's working a bit. At the end of the day, I don't really think it matters if it was Russia, if it was some guy in his basement, a Drumpf supporter in the US, etc. We should judge the leaks at face value regardless of the source. @travis I agree. Yes, this election I do support Drumpf, and yes, the Bernie supporters are hurting Hillary's chances, but it's not a justification to remove them, and find other people and pay them to take their seat... Not to mention, specifically calling out to minorities. It's disgusting and propaganda at it's best. And you oblivious Hillary supporters have little issue with it because you don't like Drumpf, come on, evaluate what you're doing. Since this was an issue brought up as some kind "What are you doing thing. Are you okay with Drumpf doing it ? Just to refresh your memory a bit http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/14/media/donald-trump-media-blacklist/ Because theres more where this came from. This is just the recent one. Bias or no bias its the medias job to do and you have to respect it regardless of your views. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6299 Posts
On July 30 2016 00:22 Rebs wrote: Sell outs dont normally release their tax returns btw. Let me know when you get Batista's .. oh wait. thats why they release tax returns in the first place. Sell out myth dispelled. Meanwhile Trumps tax returns situation status is still list as "its complicated." Right... Sell outs that are being protected by the government don't need to file tax returns. You would think leading a 2 billion dollar foundation that has apparently help so many people in the World would get a mention during these few convention days but its been surprisingly absent. I wonder why... | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 30 2016 00:48 zeo wrote: Sell outs that are being protected by the government don't need to file tax returns. You would think leading a 2 billion dollar foundation that has apparently help so many people in the World would get a mention during these few convention days but its been surprisingly absent. I wonder why... righttt.. so they just didnt file tax returns.. I dont think you are familiar with the IRS. They spare nothing and no one. But yes please ignore the obvious and grasp for conspiracies. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/29/us/politics/hillary-clinton-fact-check.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-abc-region®ion=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region CLAIM: “Trump suits in Mexico, not Michigan. Trump furniture in Turkey, not Ohio. Trump picture frames in India, not Wisconsin.” FACT CHECK: This is partly true, though without much context. Fact-checkers have found several examples of Trump clothing like suits, ties and shirts that have labels showing they were made in places like Mexico, Bangladesh and China. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 30 2016 00:30 PassiveAce wrote: I like how every time trump says something dumb he backtracks by saying he was just kidding or being sarcastic. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/28/politics/donald-trump-russia-hacking-sarcastic/ + Show Spoiler + That comic sums up the Trump push to be president in a nutshell. I cant wait until reporters ask him about wanting to hit people at the DNC and he says he was just kidding. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 30 2016 00:50 Mohdoo wrote: NYT Fact checks Clinton: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/29/us/politics/hillary-clinton-fact-check.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-abc-region®ion=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region I think its amusing that he is pushing to end free trade that benefits him so much. But then I remember that he would likely make his own organization immune to whatever changes he makes. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On July 30 2016 00:54 Plansix wrote: I think its amusing that he is pushing to end free trade that benefits him so much. But then I remember that he would likely make his own organization immune to whatever changes he makes. Those criticis are absurd and pointless. How many people still produce ties, shirts, suits in the US ? At what cost / what quality ? How easy is it to find them ? CLAIM: “Our economy is so much stronger than when they took office. Nearly 15 million new private-sector jobs.” FACT CHECK: This is true. Since early 2010, when the economy stopped losing jobs every month, 14.8 million jobs have been added in the longest streak of private-sector job growth in history. Critics say job growth would have been higher if a different set of economic policies were in place, but that is impossible to prove. NYT showing its lack of thinking here. "Our" economy is an abstract, the real question is : who gained what since they took office ? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 30 2016 00:56 WhiteDog wrote: Those criticis are absurd and pointless. How many people still produce ties, shirts, suits in the US ? At what cost / what quality ? How easy is it to find them ? The critique is that his promises are disingenuous and pandering, not that his actions are unreasonable. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On July 30 2016 01:02 Plansix wrote: The critique is that his promises are disingenuous and pandering, not that his actions are unreasonable. Why ? | ||
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RCMDVA
United States708 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Because he claims something is broken and he will fix it once he is in power, but has not used the power he currently has to make the changes he says will benefit Americans. Public service is about sacrifice and he could sacrifice some profits to have those hats made in the US. But he doesn’t do that, saying that he needs to end the trade deals first. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On July 30 2016 01:08 Plansix wrote: Because he claims something is broken and he will fix it once he is in power, but has not used the power he currently has to make the changes he says will benefit Americans. Public service is about sacrifice and he could sacrifice some profits to have those hats made in the US. But he doesn’t do that, saying that he needs to end the trade deals first. This does not make sense, why would Trump sacrifice his wealth ? And it would be a failed experience anyway : it's not about people it's about the system. In this system, even if you're rich, you can invest all you want in producing hats and all in the US, but you will never be competitive with Mexico or Bengladesh. He does not have the power to do anything, and his campaign is absolutly right to argue that "free trade", as it is today, is not fair, and that countries who gain this competition do it through fiscal and social dumping. The Bernie campaign understood that in a sense, which is why they opposed the TTIP. They were even intelligent enough to go further : social, fiscal and environmental dumping. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
He is promising to end free trade and is considering leaving the WTO of all things to get these jobs back to America from Mexico and China (it won't work because lolprotectionism, but that's besides the point), while simultaneously producing his consumer goods in said countries. What's the best analogy here without being too egregious, hmm. It would be like China criticizing Turkey or Israel for poor treatment of their minorities and insisting the world treats minorities fairly, or Putin criticizing Xi Jinping for Chinese maritime territorial claims and advocating for peaceful internationalized resolutions of border disputes. | ||
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