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Plansix
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m4ini
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On July 29 2016 22:47 Reivax wrote: Yo, m4ini, the type of charisma Clinton seems to have is not immediately identifiable, according to this article: http://www.vox.com/a/hillary-clinton-interview/the-gap-listener-leadership-quality. Note that the Vox afaik is very left-leaning and Ezra Klein has apparently had a left-leaning slant during his whole career (my research extends to 5 minutes of googling). So the article is definitely not written by an unbiased writer, but it's well-written and gives some insights in how she apparently has been able to succeded despite a somewhat wooden personality. Was a good read for me. Wasn't FDR also a serial philanderer according to strong rumors by the way? Thanks, gonna read through that later. Have to try and figure out medications for cluster headaches first. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On July 29 2016 23:03 m4ini wrote: Thanks, gonna read through that later. Have to try and figure out medications for cluster headaches first. Clinton is not charismatic in large settings where she has trouble connecting with individuals. There's quite a bit of stuff written about how she's far more personable in small groups, one-on-one or as a colleague/boss. I feel you on that one, I get those every now and then. I usually just hit them with a couple extra strength Tylenol, massive amounts of coffee and lots of water. Same thing I do for migraines. Seems to work for me. | ||
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m4ini
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I feel you on that one, I get those every now and then. I usually just hit them with a couple extra strength Tylenol, massive amounts of coffee and lots of water. Same thing I do for migraines. Seems to work for me. At the moment i'm using Zolmitriptane 5mg nasal spray (applicators look like cruise missiles), they work. But the last couple of weeks attacks have gone worse, every single day 90 minutes after falling asleep i wake up again with an attack - literally every single day, plus the attacks over the day. Trying to find some preventative, just tried reading up on Verapamil, which seems to help (i can't take betablockers due to asthma). But still in the process of trying to read up on it, doc suggested trying amitriptyline, but doesn't seem to do anything for now. edit: sidenote, you should consider yourself very lucky that paracetamol helps you - it usually doesn't with cluster headaches. The only actual painkiller that works widescale is 4% lidocain, but i really, REALLY don't want to take these. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4349 Posts
On July 29 2016 22:15 Plansix wrote: If we are going to talk about not great people being elected, we have plenty of examples in the US, from Nixon to Jackson. I could debate the good things both did, but the terrible vastly outweighs them.(Nixon more than Jackson) Jackson is clearly one of the better presidents.For disbanding the second reserve bank of the United States.This is why there was an assassination attempt.The man had the interests of the country at heart as opposed to the interests of the wealthy and banks.This is more than can be said for any president of the past 50+ years. The worst president is Woodrow Wilson.Followed by Bush Jr then Nixon. Re-establishing the federal reserve bank in 1913 followed by dragging the US into a costly war which the people did not support (creating a "temporary" income tax to pay for the war) and starting the failed league of nations project, co-signing the treaty of Versailles that ultimately caused hyperinflation in Germany due to war reparations and thus the rise of extremist politics. Wilson is the worst by a long shot. The only good thing you can say about the man is he at least recognised and admitted his mistakes later in life. "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world — no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." | ||
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Chris1
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On July 29 2016 23:10 m4ini wrote: At the moment i'm using Zolmitriptane 5mg nasal spray (applicators look like cruise missiles), they work. But the last couple of weeks attacks have gone worse, every single day 90 minutes after falling asleep i wake up again with an attack - literally every single day, plus the attacks over the day. Trying to find some preventative, just tried reading up on Verapamil, which seems to help (i can't take betablockers due to asthma). But still in the process of trying to read up on it, doc suggested trying amitriptyline, but doesn't seem to do anything for now. edit: sidenote, you should consider yourself very lucky that paracetamol helps you - it usually doesn't with cluster headaches. The only actual painkiller that works widescale is 4% lidocain, but i really, REALLY don't want to take these. I'm not sure where you live or the laws in that area, but I promise you the absolute best thing for headaches in my case has been medical marijuana. Nothing seems to be even a close second for nasty headaches. | ||
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m4ini
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On July 29 2016 23:17 Chris1 wrote: I'm not sure where you live or the laws in that area, but I promise you the absolute best thing for headaches in my case has been medical marijuana, take it for it is, I swear it works if nothing else does. UK, not legal. That being said, i'm very doubtful that it'd work on clusterheadaches, they differ vastly from migraine and "tension-headaches" (the ones you get from dehydration or staring at a screen too long). Also, i tried marijuana roughly two decades ago, i still get a slight sickness feeling in my stomach thinking back, hehe. It's not for me. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 29 2016 23:19 m4ini wrote: UK, not legal. That being said, i'm very doubtful that it'd work on clusterheadaches, they differ vastly from migraine and "tension-headaches" (the ones you get from dehydration or staring at a screen too long). Also, i tried marijuana roughly two decades ago, i still get a slight sickness feeling in my stomach thinking back, hehe. It's not for me. Pure oxygen kills headaches. Also its super hard to get and very dangerous. | ||
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Chris1
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On July 29 2016 23:19 m4ini wrote: UK, not legal. That being said, i'm very doubtful that it'd work on clusterheadaches, they differ vastly from migraine and "tension-headaches" (the ones you get from dehydration or staring at a screen too long). Also, i tried marijuana roughly two decades ago, i still get a slight sickness feeling in my stomach thinking back, hehe. It's not for me. That's unfortunate, now there are difference ways to enjoy it such as orally, or to smoke it not sure what way you tried, I did find a study. https://thejournalofheadacheandpain.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/1129-2377-15-S1-C46 "Out of 120 patients seen with cluster-headache since 2011, 31 (26%) were diagnosed with chronic cluster-headache. Eighteen of them (78% men, average age 42.7 ±10 years), were resistant to conventional treatments for cluster-headache and initiated cannabis treatment. The average duration of the chronic pain was 8.5 ± 6 years (range 2-28 years). Twelve of the subjects had 1-6, daily or near-daily, attacks. The rest had 1-4 weekly attacks. Background daily headache accompanied 7 of the patients. Smoking was the preferred modality of cannabis usage (average 1 gram/daily, range 0.7-1.7 grams/daily). In an average follow-up of 1.8 ± 0.8 years (2 months-3 years), cannabis usage resulted in >50% decrease of the headache severity in 15 (83%) patients, and in 90-100% severity decrease in 11 (61%) subjects. Nine (50%) patients reported 80-100% decrease in the headache frequency while the rest had no change in their attack frequency. Eleven patients (61%) reported high satisfaction from cannabis usage, with significant reduction of medications; sleep and quality of life improvement. Somnolence and dizziness limited cannabis usage in 2 subjects. Treatment success was unrelated to age, gender, duration of the headache or the chronic state." | ||
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m4ini
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On July 29 2016 23:20 Plansix wrote: Pure oxygen kills headaches. Also its super hard to get and very dangerous. I know. In fact it's one of the therapies (not prophylaxe, or whatever it's called in english, but if you already are into an attack) for clusterheadaches. Something like 20l/m. It's just very impractical to run everywhere with a facemask and a stupid gasbottle on wheels behind you. Like, i'm not 98 yet. It also doesn't prevent them, as a remedy i do have the Zolmitriptane cruise missiles that work, takes roughly 3-6 minutes (measured) for them to kick in. edit: ^ i smoked, twice, never again since then. I'm surprised by the study, even though it's very small scale. That being said, it's illegal, and i really don't enjoy drugs (to which i count alcohol as well, i don't drink). Maybe i'm gonna ask my neighbor, he sometimes smokes in the garden (i get sick of the smell when i'm in the garden too). Most likely not though, it's a bit like with lidocain, it's known to work, but it's "too much". edit2: lurked through forums on that topic, for many people dope etc acts like a trigger for CH. Which isn't surprising, considering it's a vaso-dilator, whereas everything that is supposed to help is a vaso-constrictor. | ||
KwarK
United States43181 Posts
On July 29 2016 21:49 NukeD wrote: Hitler turned out to be bad after he got into power, aswell as Stalin. They probably looked decent as "candidates". However, in the candidation stage of things, Hillary takes the no1 spot. Okay so.... Hitler looked awful as a candidate but his fascist movement was already snowballing out of control and the consensus was that by bringing him on the inside they could effectively corrupt his idealism and turn him into a pragmatist. Which did actually work, he turned his back on the radical socialist elements within his party quite quickly and subsequently purged them in the Night of Long Knives. Hitler didn't look like Clinton, Hitler looked like Hitler in a country full of people who think looking like Hitler is pretty cool. Stalin didn't look decent as a candidate either but fortunately he wasn't up for election. Stalin established himself as a violent thug who mixed charisma with shocking brutality and a will to do what others would not. After Lenin's death he outmaneuvered his rivals and then had them killed. Stalin didn't look like Clinton, Stalin looked like Stalin. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6299 Posts
On July 29 2016 23:23 KwarK wrote: Okay so.... Hitler looked awful as a candidate but his fascist movement was already snowballing out of control and the consensus was that by bringing him on the inside they could effectively corrupt his idealism and turn him into a pragmatist. Which did actually work, he turned his back on the radical socialist elements within his party quite quickly and subsequently purged them in the Night of Long Knives. Hitler didn't look like Clinton, Hitler looked like Hitler in a country full of people who think looking like Hitler is pretty cool. Stalin didn't look decent as a candidate either but fortunately he wasn't up for election. Stalin established himself as a violent thug who mixed charisma with shocking brutality and a will to do what others would not. After Lenin's death he outmaneuvered his rivals and then had them killed. Stalin didn't look like Clinton, Stalin looked like Stalin. Comparing Clinton to Hitler or Stalin is silly though, they would never sell out their countries for personal gain (wealth). She is more of a Southeast Asian president or an African dictator. Batista is the first name that springs to mind in the Americas. | ||
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Doodsmack
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On July 29 2016 23:03 m4ini wrote: Thanks, gonna read through that later. Have to try and figure out medications for cluster headaches first. 100 percent oxygen or triptans, if you actually have them, I'm sorry | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 30 2016 00:05 Doodsmack wrote: So how about Trump saying he wanted to punch some of the DNC speakers? NBD or BD? Instantly acts like a toddler. He said he wanted to hit them because they were saying “bad things about him.” He got super focused on Bloomberg too, which is not surprising. | ||
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m4ini
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On July 30 2016 00:08 biology]major wrote: 100 percent oxygen or triptans, if you actually have them, I'm sorry Yeah, using zolmitriptan 5mg as remedy - just want something that stops the morning attacks, because not being able to sleep through the night without getting up, tigering up and down being extremely irritated for weeks starts to really take its toll. I'll try (if my doc allows me) Verapamil for prevention, seems to work for some people. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On July 30 2016 00:09 Plansix wrote: Instantly acts like a toddler. He said he wanted to hit them because they were saying “bad things about him.” He got super focused on Bloomberg too, which is not surprising. Yes, prominent petty emotion. So...put him in charge of the US military? | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On July 30 2016 00:11 m4ini wrote: Yeah, using zolmitriptan 5mg as remedy - just want something that stops the morning attacks, because not being able to sleep through the night without getting up, tigering up and down being extremely irritated for weeks starts to really take its toll. I'll try (if my doc allows me) Verapamil for prevention, seems to work for some people. Yeah cluster usually happen in a specific time during the year (that's how they get their name) so verapamil usually doesn't do anything once you are outside that window. But it's worth trying | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
It is theoretically possible for a president to be worse than that. But she's very much not my favored choice. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On July 30 2016 00:13 biology]major wrote: Yeah cluster usually happen in a specific time during the year (that's how they get their name) so verapamil usually doesn't do anything once you are outside that window. But it's worth trying Once i'm outside that window, attacks will be less frequently to non existant if i manage to stay away from the triggers (alcohol, excessive salt, etc). It's just for now, because it honestly drives me up the wall. If there's any one politician I'd compare Hillary to, it would be Merkel (or to be fair, second hand accounts of what Merkel is like; I neither speak German nor have I lived in Germany). That's partially correct, yes. Although i'd personally say that Merkel is a lot more pragmatic, to the point that it gets irritating. Or, in case of the last press conference where she deliberately left open if she's gonna take responsibility for her "open borders" by not clarifying on a possible next election. | ||
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