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On July 30 2016 03:34 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2016 03:21 Falling wrote:On July 30 2016 02:50 Plansix wrote:On July 30 2016 02:47 Velr wrote:
That post by cowboy is a prime example of why americans get ridiculed around the world: tons of useless, unfounded, scared bullshit. But she should be thankful that she gets to live in the White House and not be conflicted about its history. And she should never express that conflict out loud and remind people about our history. Pearls will be clutched in horror at the concept that a huge part of our history revolves around slavery and kidnapping people from their homes. I really, really do not understand the whole hoopla about her talking about slaves built the White House. I only learned a couple months ago (or perhaps I knew and had forgotten) that she was directly descended from slaves (and a slave/slave master union at that.) I thought it was a neat 'how far we come' in five generations then and I still think it now. The hoopla is because a lot of people in this country would like to sweep under the rug the uglier parts of US History (slavery, exploitation of Native Americans, etc.), and don't appreciate it when such things are brought to the forefront. Nobody enjoys having a guilty conscience. Hence why you have Bill O'Reilly saying the slaves who built the White House were "well fed and had decent lodgings provided by the government". That statement helps assuage any feelings of guilt. Nevermind that it isn't true.
The only thing being swept under the rug is the corruption
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On July 30 2016 03:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2016 03:34 Seuss wrote:On July 30 2016 03:21 Falling wrote:On July 30 2016 02:50 Plansix wrote:On July 30 2016 02:47 Velr wrote:
That post by cowboy is a prime example of why americans get ridiculed around the world: tons of useless, unfounded, scared bullshit. But she should be thankful that she gets to live in the White House and not be conflicted about its history. And she should never express that conflict out loud and remind people about our history. Pearls will be clutched in horror at the concept that a huge part of our history revolves around slavery and kidnapping people from their homes. I really, really do not understand the whole hoopla about her talking about slaves built the White House. I only learned a couple months ago (or perhaps I knew and had forgotten) that she was directly descended from slaves (and a slave/slave master union at that.) I thought it was a neat 'how far we come' in five generations then and I still think it now. The hoopla is because a lot of people in this country would like to sweep under the rug the uglier parts of US History (slavery, exploitation of Native Americans, etc.), and don't appreciate it when such things are brought to the forefront. Nobody enjoys having a guilty conscience. Hence why you have Bill O'Reilly saying the slaves who built the White House were "well fed and had decent lodgings provided by the government". That statement helps assuage any feelings of guilt. Nevermind that it isn't true. Why would I feel guilty over something I didn't do?
for the same reason you sometimes are proud of things you didn't do?
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A federal court on Friday struck down North Carolina voting laws it said were enacted with “discriminatory intent”, targeting African Americans “with almost surgical precision”.
Plaintiffs in the suit welcomed what one called “a stinging rebuke” to the Republican-controlled state government.
It was a sweeping victory for voting rights activists and the US justice department, which argued that black voters were disenfranchised by laws that, among other things, required voters to show photo ID at polling stations and banned early voting.
A three-judge panel of the fourth circuit court of appeals reversed a lower court’s decision, writing in a stinging opinion that the district court “fundamentally erred” in its decision to uphold the state’s 2013 voter ID law.
“We can only conclude that the North Carolina general assembly enacted the challenged provisions of the law with discriminatory intent,” wrote circuit judge Diana Gribbon Motz in the majority opinion.
The ruling could have a significant impact on the 2016 election – 14 other states enacted voter ID laws after the June 2013 supreme court decision in Shelby v Holder, which overturned parts of the Voting Rights Act. North Carolina introduced its voting restrictions immediately after Shelby v Holder, leading numerous organizations and individuals to file suit.
Many such suits were consolidated in the case eventually brought before the fourth circuit. Plaintiffs included the US justice department, the North Carolina chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), the League of Women Voters and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which argued that the voting laws discriminated against black voters.
“This ruling is a stinging rebuke of the state’s attempt to undermine African American voter participation, which had surged over the last decade,” said Dale Ho, director of the ACLU’s Voting Rights Project, in a statement. “It is a major victory for North Carolina voters and for voting rights.”
When the 2013 restrictions were put in place, African American registration and turnout in North Carolina had nearly reached parity with white voting rates.
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On July 30 2016 03:57 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2016 03:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 30 2016 03:34 Seuss wrote:On July 30 2016 03:21 Falling wrote:On July 30 2016 02:50 Plansix wrote:On July 30 2016 02:47 Velr wrote:
That post by cowboy is a prime example of why americans get ridiculed around the world: tons of useless, unfounded, scared bullshit. But she should be thankful that she gets to live in the White House and not be conflicted about its history. And she should never express that conflict out loud and remind people about our history. Pearls will be clutched in horror at the concept that a huge part of our history revolves around slavery and kidnapping people from their homes. I really, really do not understand the whole hoopla about her talking about slaves built the White House. I only learned a couple months ago (or perhaps I knew and had forgotten) that she was directly descended from slaves (and a slave/slave master union at that.) I thought it was a neat 'how far we come' in five generations then and I still think it now. The hoopla is because a lot of people in this country would like to sweep under the rug the uglier parts of US History (slavery, exploitation of Native Americans, etc.), and don't appreciate it when such things are brought to the forefront. Nobody enjoys having a guilty conscience. Hence why you have Bill O'Reilly saying the slaves who built the White House were "well fed and had decent lodgings provided by the government". That statement helps assuage any feelings of guilt. Nevermind that it isn't true. Why would I feel guilty over something I didn't do? for the same reason you sometimes are proud of things you didn't do?
why would I be proud of things I didn't do?
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On July 30 2016 03:57 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2016 03:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 30 2016 03:34 Seuss wrote:On July 30 2016 03:21 Falling wrote:On July 30 2016 02:50 Plansix wrote:On July 30 2016 02:47 Velr wrote:
That post by cowboy is a prime example of why americans get ridiculed around the world: tons of useless, unfounded, scared bullshit. But she should be thankful that she gets to live in the White House and not be conflicted about its history. And she should never express that conflict out loud and remind people about our history. Pearls will be clutched in horror at the concept that a huge part of our history revolves around slavery and kidnapping people from their homes. I really, really do not understand the whole hoopla about her talking about slaves built the White House. I only learned a couple months ago (or perhaps I knew and had forgotten) that she was directly descended from slaves (and a slave/slave master union at that.) I thought it was a neat 'how far we come' in five generations then and I still think it now. The hoopla is because a lot of people in this country would like to sweep under the rug the uglier parts of US History (slavery, exploitation of Native Americans, etc.), and don't appreciate it when such things are brought to the forefront. Nobody enjoys having a guilty conscience. Hence why you have Bill O'Reilly saying the slaves who built the White House were "well fed and had decent lodgings provided by the government". That statement helps assuage any feelings of guilt. Nevermind that it isn't true. Why would I feel guilty over something I didn't do? for the same reason you sometimes are proud of things you didn't do?
1. So you're agreeing with me that it's an irrational feeling to feel guilty/proud of something you are not responsible for
2. What am I proud of that I didn't do?
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On July 30 2016 00:56 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2016 00:54 Plansix wrote:I think its amusing that he is pushing to end free trade that benefits him so much. But then I remember that he would likely make his own organization immune to whatever changes he makes. Those criticis are absurd and pointless. How many people still produce ties, shirts, suits in the US ? At what cost / what quality ? How easy is it to find them ? Show nested quote +CLAIM: “Our economy is so much stronger than when they took office. Nearly 15 million new private-sector jobs.”
FACT CHECK: This is true. Since early 2010, when the economy stopped losing jobs every month, 14.8 million jobs have been added in the longest streak of private-sector job growth in history. Critics say job growth would have been higher if a different set of economic policies were in place, but that is impossible to prove. NYT showing its lack of thinking here. "Our" economy is an abstract, the real question is : who gained what since they took office ?
Let's just say that there are good reasons why polls show that roughly 75% of the country is unhappy with the current direction of the company. This is why it is somewhat incredible for democrats to paint a rosy picture of the past eight years and attack Trump for being "dark."
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Florida Gov. Rick Scott announced Friday morning that health officials have ruled out travel and sexual transmission as possible routes of transmission for four Florida people infected with Zika virus.
"This morning we learned that four people in our state likely have the Zika virus as a result of a mosquito bite. This means Florida has become the first state in our nation to have local transmission of the Zika virus," he said at a news conference.
Scott said active transmission is likely occurring in only one small area — about 1 square mile — north of downtown Miami.
The state hasn't yet found Aedes species mosquitoes carrying the virus, but is actively testing in the area, Scott said. And the state is contracting with pest control companies to ramp up pesticide spraying.
In order to avoid a contaminated blood supply, the Food and Drug Administration asked Thursday that blood centers in two South Florida counties, Miami-Dade and Broward, cease collecting blood donations until they have the capacity to test each unit for the virus.
People in the impacted area have been advised to contact their county health department if they want to be tested. There are no plans to limit travel to the area, a statement from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Friday.
"Florida currently has the capacity to test 6,609 people for active Zika virus and 2,059 people for Zika antibodies," said Scott. "If we need more test kits, we will immediately request them from the CDC."
The state's first travel-related case of Zika virus was identified in February.
State officials said that, based on experience containing dengue and chikungunya outbreaks, they're confident they'll be able to contain the virus.
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On July 30 2016 04:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2016 03:57 Nyxisto wrote:On July 30 2016 03:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 30 2016 03:34 Seuss wrote:On July 30 2016 03:21 Falling wrote:On July 30 2016 02:50 Plansix wrote:On July 30 2016 02:47 Velr wrote:
That post by cowboy is a prime example of why americans get ridiculed around the world: tons of useless, unfounded, scared bullshit. But she should be thankful that she gets to live in the White House and not be conflicted about its history. And she should never express that conflict out loud and remind people about our history. Pearls will be clutched in horror at the concept that a huge part of our history revolves around slavery and kidnapping people from their homes. I really, really do not understand the whole hoopla about her talking about slaves built the White House. I only learned a couple months ago (or perhaps I knew and had forgotten) that she was directly descended from slaves (and a slave/slave master union at that.) I thought it was a neat 'how far we come' in five generations then and I still think it now. The hoopla is because a lot of people in this country would like to sweep under the rug the uglier parts of US History (slavery, exploitation of Native Americans, etc.), and don't appreciate it when such things are brought to the forefront. Nobody enjoys having a guilty conscience. Hence why you have Bill O'Reilly saying the slaves who built the White House were "well fed and had decent lodgings provided by the government". That statement helps assuage any feelings of guilt. Nevermind that it isn't true. Why would I feel guilty over something I didn't do? for the same reason you sometimes are proud of things you didn't do? 1. So you're agreeing with me that it's an irrational feeling to feel guilty/proud of something you are not responsible for 2. What am I proud of that I didn't do?
Are you proud to be an american?
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On July 30 2016 04:02 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2016 00:56 WhiteDog wrote:On July 30 2016 00:54 Plansix wrote:I think its amusing that he is pushing to end free trade that benefits him so much. But then I remember that he would likely make his own organization immune to whatever changes he makes. Those criticis are absurd and pointless. How many people still produce ties, shirts, suits in the US ? At what cost / what quality ? How easy is it to find them ? CLAIM: “Our economy is so much stronger than when they took office. Nearly 15 million new private-sector jobs.”
FACT CHECK: This is true. Since early 2010, when the economy stopped losing jobs every month, 14.8 million jobs have been added in the longest streak of private-sector job growth in history. Critics say job growth would have been higher if a different set of economic policies were in place, but that is impossible to prove. NYT showing its lack of thinking here. "Our" economy is an abstract, the real question is : who gained what since they took office ? Let's just say that there are good reasons why polls show that roughly 75% of the country is unhappy with the current direction of the company. This is why it is somewhat incredible for democrats to paint a rosy picture of the past eight years and attack Trump for being "dark."
A majority of people pretty much always think we're going the wrong way though.
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On July 30 2016 04:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2016 03:57 Nyxisto wrote:On July 30 2016 03:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 30 2016 03:34 Seuss wrote:On July 30 2016 03:21 Falling wrote:On July 30 2016 02:50 Plansix wrote:On July 30 2016 02:47 Velr wrote:
That post by cowboy is a prime example of why americans get ridiculed around the world: tons of useless, unfounded, scared bullshit. But she should be thankful that she gets to live in the White House and not be conflicted about its history. And she should never express that conflict out loud and remind people about our history. Pearls will be clutched in horror at the concept that a huge part of our history revolves around slavery and kidnapping people from their homes. I really, really do not understand the whole hoopla about her talking about slaves built the White House. I only learned a couple months ago (or perhaps I knew and had forgotten) that she was directly descended from slaves (and a slave/slave master union at that.) I thought it was a neat 'how far we come' in five generations then and I still think it now. The hoopla is because a lot of people in this country would like to sweep under the rug the uglier parts of US History (slavery, exploitation of Native Americans, etc.), and don't appreciate it when such things are brought to the forefront. Nobody enjoys having a guilty conscience. Hence why you have Bill O'Reilly saying the slaves who built the White House were "well fed and had decent lodgings provided by the government". That statement helps assuage any feelings of guilt. Nevermind that it isn't true. Why would I feel guilty over something I didn't do? for the same reason you sometimes are proud of things you didn't do? 1. So you're agreeing with me that it's an irrational feeling to feel guilty/proud of something you are not responsible for 2. What am I proud of that I didn't do?
Well I assume you're proud of being American and reap the benefits that come with it despite doing nothing but being born there. Can't really enjoy the benefits of a nation on one hand and disconnect yourself from its history on the other.
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On July 30 2016 04:12 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2016 04:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 30 2016 03:57 Nyxisto wrote:On July 30 2016 03:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 30 2016 03:34 Seuss wrote:On July 30 2016 03:21 Falling wrote:On July 30 2016 02:50 Plansix wrote:On July 30 2016 02:47 Velr wrote:
That post by cowboy is a prime example of why americans get ridiculed around the world: tons of useless, unfounded, scared bullshit. But she should be thankful that she gets to live in the White House and not be conflicted about its history. And she should never express that conflict out loud and remind people about our history. Pearls will be clutched in horror at the concept that a huge part of our history revolves around slavery and kidnapping people from their homes. I really, really do not understand the whole hoopla about her talking about slaves built the White House. I only learned a couple months ago (or perhaps I knew and had forgotten) that she was directly descended from slaves (and a slave/slave master union at that.) I thought it was a neat 'how far we come' in five generations then and I still think it now. The hoopla is because a lot of people in this country would like to sweep under the rug the uglier parts of US History (slavery, exploitation of Native Americans, etc.), and don't appreciate it when such things are brought to the forefront. Nobody enjoys having a guilty conscience. Hence why you have Bill O'Reilly saying the slaves who built the White House were "well fed and had decent lodgings provided by the government". That statement helps assuage any feelings of guilt. Nevermind that it isn't true. Why would I feel guilty over something I didn't do? for the same reason you sometimes are proud of things you didn't do? 1. So you're agreeing with me that it's an irrational feeling to feel guilty/proud of something you are not responsible for 2. What am I proud of that I didn't do? Well I assume you're proud of being American and reap the benefits that come with it despite doing nothing but being born there. Can't really enjoy the benefits of a nation on one hand and disconnect yourself from its history on the other.
You don't actually have to feel guilty though. If you decide to feel guilty for what your Opa or his father has done in WW2, that's your thing. I don't. I recognize what happened, but i'm certainy not willing to feel guilt over it.
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Not guilt in some kind of personal 'turn around in your sleep' emotional thing. But historical responsibility and awareness of what your nation did and what follows from that regarding international obligations that your nation has, how others perceive it and so on.
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On July 30 2016 04:10 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2016 04:02 xDaunt wrote:On July 30 2016 00:56 WhiteDog wrote:On July 30 2016 00:54 Plansix wrote:I think its amusing that he is pushing to end free trade that benefits him so much. But then I remember that he would likely make his own organization immune to whatever changes he makes. Those criticis are absurd and pointless. How many people still produce ties, shirts, suits in the US ? At what cost / what quality ? How easy is it to find them ? CLAIM: “Our economy is so much stronger than when they took office. Nearly 15 million new private-sector jobs.”
FACT CHECK: This is true. Since early 2010, when the economy stopped losing jobs every month, 14.8 million jobs have been added in the longest streak of private-sector job growth in history. Critics say job growth would have been higher if a different set of economic policies were in place, but that is impossible to prove. NYT showing its lack of thinking here. "Our" economy is an abstract, the real question is : who gained what since they took office ? Let's just say that there are good reasons why polls show that roughly 75% of the country is unhappy with the current direction of the company. This is why it is somewhat incredible for democrats to paint a rosy picture of the past eight years and attack Trump for being "dark." A majority of people pretty much always think we're going the wrong way though. Source
lol @ late 2008
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On July 30 2016 04:17 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2016 04:10 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 30 2016 04:02 xDaunt wrote:On July 30 2016 00:56 WhiteDog wrote:On July 30 2016 00:54 Plansix wrote:I think its amusing that he is pushing to end free trade that benefits him so much. But then I remember that he would likely make his own organization immune to whatever changes he makes. Those criticis are absurd and pointless. How many people still produce ties, shirts, suits in the US ? At what cost / what quality ? How easy is it to find them ? CLAIM: “Our economy is so much stronger than when they took office. Nearly 15 million new private-sector jobs.”
FACT CHECK: This is true. Since early 2010, when the economy stopped losing jobs every month, 14.8 million jobs have been added in the longest streak of private-sector job growth in history. Critics say job growth would have been higher if a different set of economic policies were in place, but that is impossible to prove. NYT showing its lack of thinking here. "Our" economy is an abstract, the real question is : who gained what since they took office ? Let's just say that there are good reasons why polls show that roughly 75% of the country is unhappy with the current direction of the company. This is why it is somewhat incredible for democrats to paint a rosy picture of the past eight years and attack Trump for being "dark." A majority of people pretty much always think we're going the wrong way though. Source lol @ late 2008
Things go up, up, up under Bill Clinton, drop a bit under GWB initially probably due to the Florida weirdness, then it goes back up after 9/11, then a steady decline until Obama is elected.
I think the dissatisfied number is heavily driven by partisanship now.
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On July 30 2016 04:17 Nyxisto wrote:
Not guilt in some kind of personal 'turn around in your sleep' emotional thing. But historical responsibility and awareness of what your nation did and what follows from that regarding international obligations that your nation has, how others perceive it and so on.
I do agree to awareness (as i said, one needs to actually recognize what his/her fathers did, and not whitewash it) - i disagree in regards to international obligations. Or rather, i disagree until you clarify what you mean by that. As a german, we know how germany gets perceived. You have plenty "Cowboy24" running around in the internet, one dumber than the other.
Not sure if it's age, but i don't really care about that either anymore. Was different when i was younger though.
edit: there's also a difference between being proud and taking credit. People like Cowboy24 are taking credit for what their parents, grandparents and older did. A proud person doesn't, he's just proud that those people did it. To me at least, that's a difference.
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I think this whole guilt debate is beside the point- the point that Michelle was bringing out (I'm fairly certain) was look how far we have come. It really didn't need to elicit so a defensive reaction from conservative commentators because she wasn't talking about guilt. Is it so hard for them to just say, wow, you know you are right? We have come a long way since slaves built the White House- instead of jumping straight to apologetics. I don't get it. One person said it was guilt, a bunch have chimed in and said no, people shouldn't feel guilty over what happened in the past. Well alright then, so what is the alternative explanation for where this defensiveness comes so quickly on the heels of an uplifting observation?
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With the sound of popping balloons still fresh in her ears, Hillary Clinton hit the road on Friday for a bus tour of America’s rust belt, marking the start of a battle for the soul of the nation, that threatens to be every bit as historic as becoming the Democratic party’s first female nominee.
It was, said Clinton in her acceptance speech the night before, a “moment of reckoning” for the country and the real battle lay not in the convention centre in Philadelphia, but on the backroads of western Pennsylvania and Ohio where Donald Trump wishes to pull off a stunning upset.
With barely a hundred days to go before Americans go to the polls, she warned that “powerful forces are threatening to pull us apart, bonds of trust and respect are fraying”. She sets out on the campaign trail seeking to stitch back together the Democratic party’s reputation for standing up for the country’s working class.
Trump, whose own convention in Cleveland last week pushed him ahead in the polls, said the Democratic party’s attempt to reverse that with its four-day convention left him wanting to “hit a couple of those speakers so hard … their heads would spin”.
The mood was very different in Philadelphia, where still glowing from Clinton’s historic ascent on Thursday night, thousands of people who came to see the Democratic ticket at a gymnasium at Temple University’s McGonigle Hall roared with excitement when the candidate walked on to the stage with former president Bill Clinton, running mate Tim Kaine and his wife, Anne Holton.
“I don’t know about you but I stayed up really late last night,” Hillary Clinton said drawing loud laughs and cheers. “It was just hard to go to sleep!”
Reminding the crowd that after Saturday “we have 100 days to make our case to America”, Clinton and Kaine sounded a note of optimism and enthusiasm as they enter the frenetic final months of what has been for Clinton an 18-month campaign.
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So how do Drumpf supporters feel being in the company of this one ?
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She can't even spell his name right.
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She has been a racist dumpster fire for years. The woman is in show buisness, not politics.
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