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On July 29 2016 03:55 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 03:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I want to ask LegalLord/xDaunt/other Trump voters what they made of the AMA yesterday?
It's made me seriously reconsider the degree to which Trump is running a con campaign play for power.
Which leaves Hillary's play for power backed by the establishment vs Trump's play for power backed by a guerilla populist campaign
And there's like no point even talking or learning about anyone else because Stein and Johnson don't even have a chance Just roll the dice and give the establishment your middle finger, given these options that's about as much thought that I need to put into my vote
That's literally where I'm at right now.
And that is completely unacceptable that I feel like this is my best choice.
In 2012 I supported Obama but I was much closer to apathy than actually supporting him. I just didn't want Romney to win and considered Obama a safe choice.
I do not have a safe choice in 2016. Can't believe I'm saying this, but I almost want to join GH and just say burn it down so we can start from scratch
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The reason why people loved Obama’s speech is that he was offering hope and telling everyone that we could do it if we worked together. I saw a number of Republicans commenting on how his speech was the same one that Reagan gave back in the 80s. The country was a bunch better place when both sides were about hope and leading the nation forward. People want that back from both sides and Trumps GOP isn't offering it.
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On July 29 2016 03:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I do not have a safe choice in 2016. Can't believe I'm saying this, but I almost want to join GH and just say burn it down so we can start from scratch
Is that really how you think that would go? Everything comes tumbling down, and we are able to just safely create some new government? What piece of history makes you think that's even close to how things go? This entire idea of "fuck it, rebuild it" isn't even a real idea.
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On July 29 2016 03:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I want to ask LegalLord/xDaunt/other Trump voters what they made of the AMA yesterday?
It's made me seriously reconsider the degree to which Trump is running a con campaign play for power.
Which leaves Hillary's play for power backed by the establishment vs Trump's play for power backed by a guerilla populist campaign
And there's like no point even talking or learning about anyone else because Stein and Johnson don't even have a chance
edit - and while I think Obama is a great orator who didn't do a terrible job in the oval office, I'm largely dismayed by how people seem to be chugging what he's selling like coolaid in that speech
I found the AMA after enjoying the headlines about it. It's insanely bland, it looks like he just wanted to do something to distract from the DNC rather than engage with Reddit specifically.
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On July 29 2016 03:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 03:55 biology]major wrote:On July 29 2016 03:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I want to ask LegalLord/xDaunt/other Trump voters what they made of the AMA yesterday?
It's made me seriously reconsider the degree to which Trump is running a con campaign play for power.
Which leaves Hillary's play for power backed by the establishment vs Trump's play for power backed by a guerilla populist campaign
And there's like no point even talking or learning about anyone else because Stein and Johnson don't even have a chance Just roll the dice and give the establishment your middle finger, given these options that's about as much thought that I need to put into my vote That's literally where I'm at right now. And that is completely unacceptable that I feel like this is my best choice. In 2012 I supported Obama but I was much closer to apathy than actually supporting him. I just didn't want Romney to win and considered Obama a safe choice. I do not have a safe choice in 2016. Can't believe I'm saying this, but I almost want to join GH and just say burn it down so we can start from scratch
A true revolution and anarchy is highly unlikely. trump could very well be an idiot but our founding fathers weren't. I believe in the system they set up and will gladly roll the dice.
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On July 29 2016 04:01 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 03:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I do not have a safe choice in 2016. Can't believe I'm saying this, but I almost want to join GH and just say burn it down so we can start from scratch Is that really how you think that would go? Everything comes tumbling down, and we are able to just safely create some new government? What piece of history makes you think that's even close to how things go? This entire idea of "fuck it, rebuild it" isn't even a real idea.
In one of his more serious moments, Trevor Nolan spoke as a dude who comes from an area filled with dictators. With Hillary, at worst, you get a bad president. We have had those, we will make it until they leave office. With Trump, we could get someone who refuses to leave office or worse. And we all act like it could never happen. But we also have never had to remove a president from office before. We have never had one of the branches of government completely implode. The founding fathers created a great system, but it has limits and requires most of the parties involved respect it.
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On July 29 2016 04:04 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 03:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 29 2016 03:55 biology]major wrote:On July 29 2016 03:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I want to ask LegalLord/xDaunt/other Trump voters what they made of the AMA yesterday?
It's made me seriously reconsider the degree to which Trump is running a con campaign play for power.
Which leaves Hillary's play for power backed by the establishment vs Trump's play for power backed by a guerilla populist campaign
And there's like no point even talking or learning about anyone else because Stein and Johnson don't even have a chance Just roll the dice and give the establishment your middle finger, given these options that's about as much thought that I need to put into my vote That's literally where I'm at right now. And that is completely unacceptable that I feel like this is my best choice. In 2012 I supported Obama but I was much closer to apathy than actually supporting him. I just didn't want Romney to win and considered Obama a safe choice. I do not have a safe choice in 2016. Can't believe I'm saying this, but I almost want to join GH and just say burn it down so we can start from scratch A true revolution and anarchy is highly unlikely. trump could very well be an idiot but our founding fathers weren't. I believe in the system they set up and will gladly roll the dice.
What about his draconian ideas though? That are only vague?
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On July 29 2016 04:01 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 03:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I do not have a safe choice in 2016. Can't believe I'm saying this, but I almost want to join GH and just say burn it down so we can start from scratch Is that really how you think that would go? Everything comes tumbling down, and we are able to just safely create some new government? What piece of history makes you think that's even close to how things go? This entire idea of "fuck it, rebuild it" isn't even a real idea.
No I don't think that's how it will happen. At some point we'll need a serious overhaul of the system but it's already showing cracks in the foundations that need repairs (republicans blocking supreme court nominees, democrats rigging primaries, etc)
On July 29 2016 04:04 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 03:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 29 2016 03:55 biology]major wrote:On July 29 2016 03:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I want to ask LegalLord/xDaunt/other Trump voters what they made of the AMA yesterday?
It's made me seriously reconsider the degree to which Trump is running a con campaign play for power.
Which leaves Hillary's play for power backed by the establishment vs Trump's play for power backed by a guerilla populist campaign
And there's like no point even talking or learning about anyone else because Stein and Johnson don't even have a chance Just roll the dice and give the establishment your middle finger, given these options that's about as much thought that I need to put into my vote That's literally where I'm at right now. And that is completely unacceptable that I feel like this is my best choice. In 2012 I supported Obama but I was much closer to apathy than actually supporting him. I just didn't want Romney to win and considered Obama a safe choice. I do not have a safe choice in 2016. Can't believe I'm saying this, but I almost want to join GH and just say burn it down so we can start from scratch A true revolution and anarchy is highly unlikely. trump could very well be an idiot but our founding fathers weren't. I believe in the system they set up and will gladly roll the dice.
Oh I don't want anarchy to be sure
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On July 29 2016 04:08 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 04:04 biology]major wrote:On July 29 2016 03:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 29 2016 03:55 biology]major wrote:On July 29 2016 03:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I want to ask LegalLord/xDaunt/other Trump voters what they made of the AMA yesterday?
It's made me seriously reconsider the degree to which Trump is running a con campaign play for power.
Which leaves Hillary's play for power backed by the establishment vs Trump's play for power backed by a guerilla populist campaign
And there's like no point even talking or learning about anyone else because Stein and Johnson don't even have a chance Just roll the dice and give the establishment your middle finger, given these options that's about as much thought that I need to put into my vote That's literally where I'm at right now. And that is completely unacceptable that I feel like this is my best choice. In 2012 I supported Obama but I was much closer to apathy than actually supporting him. I just didn't want Romney to win and considered Obama a safe choice. I do not have a safe choice in 2016. Can't believe I'm saying this, but I almost want to join GH and just say burn it down so we can start from scratch A true revolution and anarchy is highly unlikely. trump could very well be an idiot but our founding fathers weren't. I believe in the system they set up and will gladly roll the dice. What about his draconian ideas though? That are only vague?
My assessment of him is he approaches everything as a negotiation. So he sells a crazy idea that accomplished two things: it get's him attention and airtime while also giving him a powerful position to bargain from. He might not be putting much thought into his actions as it comes naturally to him. Worst case scenario is he turns out to be a bad president, idc I'm a conservative anyways and will take the chance
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On July 29 2016 04:12 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 04:08 Doodsmack wrote:On July 29 2016 04:04 biology]major wrote:On July 29 2016 03:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 29 2016 03:55 biology]major wrote:On July 29 2016 03:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I want to ask LegalLord/xDaunt/other Trump voters what they made of the AMA yesterday?
It's made me seriously reconsider the degree to which Trump is running a con campaign play for power.
Which leaves Hillary's play for power backed by the establishment vs Trump's play for power backed by a guerilla populist campaign
And there's like no point even talking or learning about anyone else because Stein and Johnson don't even have a chance Just roll the dice and give the establishment your middle finger, given these options that's about as much thought that I need to put into my vote That's literally where I'm at right now. And that is completely unacceptable that I feel like this is my best choice. In 2012 I supported Obama but I was much closer to apathy than actually supporting him. I just didn't want Romney to win and considered Obama a safe choice. I do not have a safe choice in 2016. Can't believe I'm saying this, but I almost want to join GH and just say burn it down so we can start from scratch A true revolution and anarchy is highly unlikely. trump could very well be an idiot but our founding fathers weren't. I believe in the system they set up and will gladly roll the dice. What about his draconian ideas though? That are only vague? he sells a crazy idea that accomplished two things: it get's him attention and airtime while also giving him a powerful position to bargain from. He might not be putting much thought into his actions as it comes naturally to him.
That is one incredible die to roll. Might want to rethink your worst case scenario.
The fact that you have to have a theory that your candidate doesn't really mean what he says in order to support him is quite something.
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On July 29 2016 04:16 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 04:12 biology]major wrote:On July 29 2016 04:08 Doodsmack wrote:On July 29 2016 04:04 biology]major wrote:On July 29 2016 03:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 29 2016 03:55 biology]major wrote:On July 29 2016 03:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I want to ask LegalLord/xDaunt/other Trump voters what they made of the AMA yesterday?
It's made me seriously reconsider the degree to which Trump is running a con campaign play for power.
Which leaves Hillary's play for power backed by the establishment vs Trump's play for power backed by a guerilla populist campaign
And there's like no point even talking or learning about anyone else because Stein and Johnson don't even have a chance Just roll the dice and give the establishment your middle finger, given these options that's about as much thought that I need to put into my vote That's literally where I'm at right now. And that is completely unacceptable that I feel like this is my best choice. In 2012 I supported Obama but I was much closer to apathy than actually supporting him. I just didn't want Romney to win and considered Obama a safe choice. I do not have a safe choice in 2016. Can't believe I'm saying this, but I almost want to join GH and just say burn it down so we can start from scratch A true revolution and anarchy is highly unlikely. trump could very well be an idiot but our founding fathers weren't. I believe in the system they set up and will gladly roll the dice. What about his draconian ideas though? That are only vague? he sells a crazy idea that accomplished two things: it get's him attention and airtime while also giving him a powerful position to bargain from. He might not be putting much thought into his actions as it comes naturally to him. That is one incredible die to roll. Might want to rethink your worst case scenario. The fact that you have to have a theory that your candidate doesn't really mean what he says in order to support him is quite something.
I'd rather have a theory to support an idiot rather than half heartedly support corruption. It really just depends how much people are fed up of the status quo.
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On July 29 2016 04:18 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 04:16 Doodsmack wrote:On July 29 2016 04:12 biology]major wrote:On July 29 2016 04:08 Doodsmack wrote:On July 29 2016 04:04 biology]major wrote:On July 29 2016 03:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 29 2016 03:55 biology]major wrote:On July 29 2016 03:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I want to ask LegalLord/xDaunt/other Trump voters what they made of the AMA yesterday?
It's made me seriously reconsider the degree to which Trump is running a con campaign play for power.
Which leaves Hillary's play for power backed by the establishment vs Trump's play for power backed by a guerilla populist campaign
And there's like no point even talking or learning about anyone else because Stein and Johnson don't even have a chance Just roll the dice and give the establishment your middle finger, given these options that's about as much thought that I need to put into my vote That's literally where I'm at right now. And that is completely unacceptable that I feel like this is my best choice. In 2012 I supported Obama but I was much closer to apathy than actually supporting him. I just didn't want Romney to win and considered Obama a safe choice. I do not have a safe choice in 2016. Can't believe I'm saying this, but I almost want to join GH and just say burn it down so we can start from scratch A true revolution and anarchy is highly unlikely. trump could very well be an idiot but our founding fathers weren't. I believe in the system they set up and will gladly roll the dice. What about his draconian ideas though? That are only vague? he sells a crazy idea that accomplished two things: it get's him attention and airtime while also giving him a powerful position to bargain from. He might not be putting much thought into his actions as it comes naturally to him. That is one incredible die to roll. Might want to rethink your worst case scenario. The fact that you have to have a theory that your candidate doesn't really mean what he says in order to support him is quite something. I'd rather have a theory to support an idiot rather than half heartedly support corruption. It really just depends how much people are fed up of the status quo.
I don't think either one of them are idiots. People are far too quick to judge others they've never met or talked to because it's so easy to judge someone in the public spotlight.
They're both intelligent in different ways and know exactly what types of campaigns they're running
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On July 29 2016 04:20 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 04:18 biology]major wrote:On July 29 2016 04:16 Doodsmack wrote:On July 29 2016 04:12 biology]major wrote:On July 29 2016 04:08 Doodsmack wrote:On July 29 2016 04:04 biology]major wrote:On July 29 2016 03:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 29 2016 03:55 biology]major wrote:On July 29 2016 03:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I want to ask LegalLord/xDaunt/other Trump voters what they made of the AMA yesterday?
It's made me seriously reconsider the degree to which Trump is running a con campaign play for power.
Which leaves Hillary's play for power backed by the establishment vs Trump's play for power backed by a guerilla populist campaign
And there's like no point even talking or learning about anyone else because Stein and Johnson don't even have a chance Just roll the dice and give the establishment your middle finger, given these options that's about as much thought that I need to put into my vote That's literally where I'm at right now. And that is completely unacceptable that I feel like this is my best choice. In 2012 I supported Obama but I was much closer to apathy than actually supporting him. I just didn't want Romney to win and considered Obama a safe choice. I do not have a safe choice in 2016. Can't believe I'm saying this, but I almost want to join GH and just say burn it down so we can start from scratch A true revolution and anarchy is highly unlikely. trump could very well be an idiot but our founding fathers weren't. I believe in the system they set up and will gladly roll the dice. What about his draconian ideas though? That are only vague? he sells a crazy idea that accomplished two things: it get's him attention and airtime while also giving him a powerful position to bargain from. He might not be putting much thought into his actions as it comes naturally to him. That is one incredible die to roll. Might want to rethink your worst case scenario. The fact that you have to have a theory that your candidate doesn't really mean what he says in order to support him is quite something. I'd rather have a theory to support an idiot rather than half heartedly support corruption. It really just depends how much people are fed up of the status quo. I don't think either one of them are idiots. People are far too quick to judge others they've never met or talked to because it's so easy to judge someone in the public spotlight. They're both intelligent in different ways and know exactly what types of campaigns they're running
Yeah and I'm saying even if it turned out to be that he was a complete idiot I can still sleep easily with my vote. I doubt he is, and I'm gonna hope for the best.
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On July 29 2016 04:18 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 04:16 Doodsmack wrote:On July 29 2016 04:12 biology]major wrote:On July 29 2016 04:08 Doodsmack wrote:On July 29 2016 04:04 biology]major wrote:On July 29 2016 03:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 29 2016 03:55 biology]major wrote:On July 29 2016 03:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I want to ask LegalLord/xDaunt/other Trump voters what they made of the AMA yesterday?
It's made me seriously reconsider the degree to which Trump is running a con campaign play for power.
Which leaves Hillary's play for power backed by the establishment vs Trump's play for power backed by a guerilla populist campaign
And there's like no point even talking or learning about anyone else because Stein and Johnson don't even have a chance Just roll the dice and give the establishment your middle finger, given these options that's about as much thought that I need to put into my vote That's literally where I'm at right now. And that is completely unacceptable that I feel like this is my best choice. In 2012 I supported Obama but I was much closer to apathy than actually supporting him. I just didn't want Romney to win and considered Obama a safe choice. I do not have a safe choice in 2016. Can't believe I'm saying this, but I almost want to join GH and just say burn it down so we can start from scratch A true revolution and anarchy is highly unlikely. trump could very well be an idiot but our founding fathers weren't. I believe in the system they set up and will gladly roll the dice. What about his draconian ideas though? That are only vague? he sells a crazy idea that accomplished two things: it get's him attention and airtime while also giving him a powerful position to bargain from. He might not be putting much thought into his actions as it comes naturally to him. That is one incredible die to roll. Might want to rethink your worst case scenario. The fact that you have to have a theory that your candidate doesn't really mean what he says in order to support him is quite something. I'd rather have a theory to support an idiot rather than half heartedly support corruption. It really just depends how much people are fed up of the status quo.
So you're of the belief that Trump donating money, e.g. to Hillary, without a business purpose but instead with the expectation of some future favor being returned ("she came to my wedding because I gave"), is not corrupt?
This guy has said some scary stuff straight out of his mouth. Stuff that's not even conceivably aimed toward a negotiation, but rather him just taking action...which it's not inconceivable he could attempt with executive action.
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On July 29 2016 03:50 LegalLord wrote:
Also just finished watching Obama's speech. Other than the fact that he said that communists threaten America (whitedoge be warned) it's one of his very solid speeches. Felt a lot like an exit speech than a straight endorsement of Hillary though. More than half of it was talking about himself and his own presidency, as an attempt to tie it into how Hillary will be more of the same.
He already has intel on xDaunt recent radicalization, shit is real.
Overall, Obama was a pretty good president, and a charismatic man (which is necessary in politics), but I'm not sure that he leave america better than it was. It is not his fault at all, but the world at large is in such a situation I don't really know.
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And HE HAS NO PLAN! He doesn't even know about the issues! He can't even bother to memorize a good answer on an issue! Is this really the die you want to roll with our country? The president has a lot of power.
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On July 29 2016 04:07 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 04:01 Mohdoo wrote:On July 29 2016 03:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I do not have a safe choice in 2016. Can't believe I'm saying this, but I almost want to join GH and just say burn it down so we can start from scratch Is that really how you think that would go? Everything comes tumbling down, and we are able to just safely create some new government? What piece of history makes you think that's even close to how things go? This entire idea of "fuck it, rebuild it" isn't even a real idea. In one of his more serious moments, Trevor Nolan spoke as a dude who comes from an area filled with dictators. With Hillary, at worst, you get a bad president. We have had those, we will make it until they leave office. With Trump, we could get someone who refuses to leave office or worse. And we all act like it could never happen. But we also have never had to remove a president from office before. We have never had one of the branches of government completely implode. The founding fathers created a great system, but it has limits and requires most of the parties involved respect it.
Yeah sorry but no. The US is not turning into a dictatorship...
It is a very long process to subvert the system far enough to allow it to happen and while the US system has its problems it is a far cry from the dysfunction needed to allow a dictatorship.
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On July 29 2016 03:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
The more I follow this election the more jaded I become with politics.
And the less faith I have in democracy to continue to work in the future
welcome to the life of those who follow politics!
Plenty of good sayings on the topic :D
One day we'll design a better form of government we can switch to.
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On July 29 2016 04:23 WhiteDog wrote:
Overall, Obama was a pretty good president, and a charismatic man (which is necessary in politics), but I'm not sure that he leave america better than it was. It is not his fault at all, but the world at large is in such a situation I don't really know.
That's why I think it's a shame that Americans are wasting 2 years of anti-establishment fervor on this election that ultimately won't matter much, instead of trying to get other parties in government.
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On July 29 2016 04:29 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 03:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
The more I follow this election the more jaded I become with politics.
And the less faith I have in democracy to continue to work in the future welcome to the life of those who follow politics! Plenty of good sayings on the topic :D One day we'll design a better form of government we can switch to.
You talking about communism ?
On July 29 2016 04:30 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 04:23 WhiteDog wrote:
Overall, Obama was a pretty good president, and a charismatic man (which is necessary in politics), but I'm not sure that he leave america better than it was. It is not his fault at all, but the world at large is in such a situation I don't really know. That's why I think it's a shame that Americans are wasting 2 years of anti-establishment fervor on this election that ultimately won't matter much, instead of trying to get other parties in government.
I said he was a good president, but he also was way too mainstream to face the current world's problem. Look at his solution for the crisis : he masterfully pulled the united states out of the crisis better than most countries, which is a feat considering the US was at the center, but at the same time his solutions created unprecedented levels of inequalities that he never even tried to resolve. He was too liberal overall, pursuing trade deals and refusing to acknowledge the burden free trade create on the poorest - it is not his problem tho, it is (was) the problem of the entire political spectrum until very recently both in the US and elsewhere.
There is a reason why Trump follow Obama too, even if Obama was great overall.
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