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On July 29 2016 05:05 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 05:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Debbie Wasserman Schultz wasn’t supposed to ask Joe Biden to come to her daughter’s bat mitzvah.
Democratic National Committee staff had sent the chair to the vice president armed with four specific requests for getting him involved in raising money for the party.
She decided to scrap them for two of her own.
First, she asked Biden to do a fundraiser for her own reelection to her House seat in Florida in the primary challenge she’s facing next month. He agreed.
The second was to get down to Boca Raton for the bat mitzvah.
Biden’s staff balked. They offered to tape a video message from him instead, hoping that would satisfy her.
Wasserman Schultz eagerly said yes. They played it for everyone who came.
The meeting with Biden was symptomatic of the way the DNC was veering off the rails just as the presidential election was heating up. More than a dozen people inside the party apparatus, speaking in the wake of Wasserman Schultz’s resignation on Sunday, describe an internal culture in which few felt they could challenge an increasingly imperious and politically tone-deaf chair who often put her own interests ahead of party functions.
Last week’s WikiLeaks dump, releasing thousands of emails showing DNC officials sparring with Bernie Sanders supporters and with one another, was what finally got Hillary Clinton’s top aides to force her out Sunday on the eve of the convention.
Now, all DNC senior staffers seem to believe they’re on the verge of being fired — and that’s before the next WikiLeaks release, which many fear is coming within days, and which DNC lawyers are bracing for. Several staff members have already been asked to prepare statements about their departures.
Staff members were briefed in a Tuesday afternoon meeting in Washington that their personal data was part of the hack, as were Social Security numbers and other information for donors, according to people who attended. Don’t search WikiLeaks, they were told — malware is embedded throughout the site, and they’re looking for more data.
This was all done to influence the 2016 election, they were told. Source I'm increasingly leaning towards "wow DWS sucks" but I'm hesitant to conclude that b/c this sort of thing sounds like the blame game/ hit piece type thing that happens along with the fall of any important figure. What I would be interested to see is if there are any DNC leaks saying "wow Debbie's such a twit" or the like.
I'm sure that with a little effort you could find a ton of stories that describe her in very unflattering terms. She is uniquely unlikable.
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On July 29 2016 05:01 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 04:53 Sermokala wrote:On July 29 2016 03:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I want to ask LegalLord/xDaunt/other Trump voters what they made of the AMA yesterday?
It's made me seriously reconsider the degree to which Trump is running a con campaign play for power.
Which leaves Hillary's play for power backed by the establishment vs Trump's play for power backed by a guerrilla populist campaign
And there's like no point even talking or learning about anyone else because Stein and Johnson don't even have a chance
edit - and while I think Obama is a great orator who didn't do a terrible job in the oval office, I'm largely dismayed by how people seem to be chugging what he's selling like coolaid in that speech The AMA was a huge success for Trump and his supporters. Lets ignore the actual answers given because they don't actually matter. The trump campaign if nothing else has shown actual content doesn't matter if you can make an event out of the matter. And as an event the AMA was a huge success. They dumped a ton of reddit gold and created a story how it broke the reddit gold record. They got a story about how reddit interfered with their algorithm in order to keep it off the front page. They got a story about how their opposition on reddit is on the same level morally as them. They have a story about how the ama triggered a larger number of active subscribers watching then the Hillary subredits even have total subscribers. At the end of the campaign a close race is decided on the turnout and the motivation of the supporters. And stuff like this is exactly what will win an election. You just talked a lot about Reddit and I'm not sure many people care. I wouldn't have known about it without this forum.
I'd say that makes you pretty ignorant. You probably also didn't read the post as I responded to someone specifically asking about the ama.
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On July 29 2016 05:13 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 05:01 Doodsmack wrote:On July 29 2016 04:53 Sermokala wrote:On July 29 2016 03:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I want to ask LegalLord/xDaunt/other Trump voters what they made of the AMA yesterday?
It's made me seriously reconsider the degree to which Trump is running a con campaign play for power.
Which leaves Hillary's play for power backed by the establishment vs Trump's play for power backed by a guerrilla populist campaign
And there's like no point even talking or learning about anyone else because Stein and Johnson don't even have a chance
edit - and while I think Obama is a great orator who didn't do a terrible job in the oval office, I'm largely dismayed by how people seem to be chugging what he's selling like coolaid in that speech The AMA was a huge success for Trump and his supporters. Lets ignore the actual answers given because they don't actually matter. The trump campaign if nothing else has shown actual content doesn't matter if you can make an event out of the matter. And as an event the AMA was a huge success. They dumped a ton of reddit gold and created a story how it broke the reddit gold record. They got a story about how reddit interfered with their algorithm in order to keep it off the front page. They got a story about how their opposition on reddit is on the same level morally as them. They have a story about how the ama triggered a larger number of active subscribers watching then the Hillary subredits even have total subscribers. At the end of the campaign a close race is decided on the turnout and the motivation of the supporters. And stuff like this is exactly what will win an election. You just talked a lot about Reddit and I'm not sure many people care. I wouldn't have known about it without this forum. I'd say that makes you pretty ignorant. You probably also didn't read the post as I responded to someone specifically asking about the ama.
It wasn't a prominent headline. When I say not many people care, I'm talking about the electorate. Where was there actually a media story about which candidate has more subreddit members?
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On July 29 2016 05:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +Debbie Wasserman Schultz wasn’t supposed to ask Joe Biden to come to her daughter’s bat mitzvah.
Democratic National Committee staff had sent the chair to the vice president armed with four specific requests for getting him involved in raising money for the party.
She decided to scrap them for two of her own.
First, she asked Biden to do a fundraiser for her own reelection to her House seat in Florida in the primary challenge she’s facing next month. He agreed.
The second was to get down to Boca Raton for the bat mitzvah.
Biden’s staff balked. They offered to tape a video message from him instead, hoping that would satisfy her.
Wasserman Schultz eagerly said yes. They played it for everyone who came.
The meeting with Biden was symptomatic of the way the DNC was veering off the rails just as the presidential election was heating up. More than a dozen people inside the party apparatus, speaking in the wake of Wasserman Schultz’s resignation on Sunday, describe an internal culture in which few felt they could challenge an increasingly imperious and politically tone-deaf chair who often put her own interests ahead of party functions.
Last week’s WikiLeaks dump, releasing thousands of emails showing DNC officials sparring with Bernie Sanders supporters and with one another, was what finally got Hillary Clinton’s top aides to force her out Sunday on the eve of the convention.
Now, all DNC senior staffers seem to believe they’re on the verge of being fired — and that’s before the next WikiLeaks release, which many fear is coming within days, and which DNC lawyers are bracing for. Several staff members have already been asked to prepare statements about their departures.
Staff members were briefed in a Tuesday afternoon meeting in Washington that their personal data was part of the hack, as were Social Security numbers and other information for donors, according to people who attended. Don’t search WikiLeaks, they were told — malware is embedded throughout the site, and they’re looking for more data.
This was all done to influence the 2016 election, they were told. Source
The part that irritates me most is that there were staff that joined the DNC hoping to do good things and help people, but they had to work under that window licker.
Though the longer this goes with only stories like this, gross but not criminal, the public will become desensitized to them. There is only so many ways they can point out she sucks.
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On July 29 2016 05:19 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 05:13 Sermokala wrote:On July 29 2016 05:01 Doodsmack wrote:On July 29 2016 04:53 Sermokala wrote:On July 29 2016 03:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I want to ask LegalLord/xDaunt/other Trump voters what they made of the AMA yesterday?
It's made me seriously reconsider the degree to which Trump is running a con campaign play for power.
Which leaves Hillary's play for power backed by the establishment vs Trump's play for power backed by a guerrilla populist campaign
And there's like no point even talking or learning about anyone else because Stein and Johnson don't even have a chance
edit - and while I think Obama is a great orator who didn't do a terrible job in the oval office, I'm largely dismayed by how people seem to be chugging what he's selling like coolaid in that speech The AMA was a huge success for Trump and his supporters. Lets ignore the actual answers given because they don't actually matter. The trump campaign if nothing else has shown actual content doesn't matter if you can make an event out of the matter. And as an event the AMA was a huge success. They dumped a ton of reddit gold and created a story how it broke the reddit gold record. They got a story about how reddit interfered with their algorithm in order to keep it off the front page. They got a story about how their opposition on reddit is on the same level morally as them. They have a story about how the ama triggered a larger number of active subscribers watching then the Hillary subredits even have total subscribers. At the end of the campaign a close race is decided on the turnout and the motivation of the supporters. And stuff like this is exactly what will win an election. You just talked a lot about Reddit and I'm not sure many people care. I wouldn't have known about it without this forum. I'd say that makes you pretty ignorant. You probably also didn't read the post as I responded to someone specifically asking about the ama. It wasn't a prominent headline. When I say not many people care, I'm talking about the electorate. Where was there actually a media story about which candidate has more subreddit members?
I have only seen it covered by tech news sites.
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I'm gonna expect her to completely ignore Bernie sanders and his supporters, and the shitty behavior by DNC. It will prove the point that dws resignation was simply for show, to avoid the issue rather than replace her with someone more fair. I'd be very surprised if she even mentions any of the above, but if she really exceeds my expectations and apologizes to Bernie sanders supporters, I'll eat my shoe and take a ban.
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On July 29 2016 04:31 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 04:29 zlefin wrote:On July 29 2016 03:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
The more I follow this election the more jaded I become with politics.
And the less faith I have in democracy to continue to work in the future welcome to the life of those who follow politics! Plenty of good sayings on the topic :D One day we'll design a better form of government we can switch to. You talking about communism ?
No, that's a danger to America and you're probably on the CIA watchlist now.
On July 29 2016 05:12 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 05:05 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 29 2016 05:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Debbie Wasserman Schultz wasn’t supposed to ask Joe Biden to come to her daughter’s bat mitzvah.
Democratic National Committee staff had sent the chair to the vice president armed with four specific requests for getting him involved in raising money for the party.
She decided to scrap them for two of her own.
First, she asked Biden to do a fundraiser for her own reelection to her House seat in Florida in the primary challenge she’s facing next month. He agreed.
The second was to get down to Boca Raton for the bat mitzvah.
Biden’s staff balked. They offered to tape a video message from him instead, hoping that would satisfy her.
Wasserman Schultz eagerly said yes. They played it for everyone who came.
The meeting with Biden was symptomatic of the way the DNC was veering off the rails just as the presidential election was heating up. More than a dozen people inside the party apparatus, speaking in the wake of Wasserman Schultz’s resignation on Sunday, describe an internal culture in which few felt they could challenge an increasingly imperious and politically tone-deaf chair who often put her own interests ahead of party functions.
Last week’s WikiLeaks dump, releasing thousands of emails showing DNC officials sparring with Bernie Sanders supporters and with one another, was what finally got Hillary Clinton’s top aides to force her out Sunday on the eve of the convention.
Now, all DNC senior staffers seem to believe they’re on the verge of being fired — and that’s before the next WikiLeaks release, which many fear is coming within days, and which DNC lawyers are bracing for. Several staff members have already been asked to prepare statements about their departures.
Staff members were briefed in a Tuesday afternoon meeting in Washington that their personal data was part of the hack, as were Social Security numbers and other information for donors, according to people who attended. Don’t search WikiLeaks, they were told — malware is embedded throughout the site, and they’re looking for more data.
This was all done to influence the 2016 election, they were told. Source I'm increasingly leaning towards "wow DWS sucks" but I'm hesitant to conclude that b/c this sort of thing sounds like the blame game/ hit piece type thing that happens along with the fall of any important figure. What I would be interested to see is if there are any DNC leaks saying "wow Debbie's such a twit" or the like. I'm sure that with a little effort you could find a ton of stories that describe her in very unflattering terms. She is uniquely unlikable.
Took a while before anyone straight up said how much they didn't like Cruz too.
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She really is the Ted Cruz of the DNC.
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Turkey’s foreign and justice ministers are due to travel to the US to demand the extradition of Fethullah Gülen, the US-based Turkish imam accused by the government of masterminding the abortive coup attempt that led to the deaths of 265 people and the dismissal of tens of thousands of public servants.
The Turkish justice minister Bekir Bozdag on Thursday accused Gülen of plotting the coup for decades, and said he would have returned to Turkey if the military plotters had not been thwarted. He had warned that Gülen, who has lived in rural Pennyslvania for years, could flee the US to seek political asylum to Australia, Mexico, Canada, South Africa or Egypt.
Turkish officials say they regard the evidence of Gülen complicity as overwhelming, and that any failure by the US to cooperate with the extradition will have long-term consequences for Turkish-US diplomatic relations.
The US has denied any prior knowledge of the coup attempt, but Turkish officials have noted that the coup plotters included senior Turkish officers at the strategic Incirlik air base used by US fighter jets to bomb Syria.
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On July 29 2016 05:28 biology]major wrote:
I'm gonna expect her to completely ignore Bernie sanders and his supporters, and the shitty behavior by DNC. It will prove the point that dws resignation was simply for show, to avoid the issue rather than replace her with someone more fair. I'd be very surprised if she even mentions any of the above, but if she really exceeds my expectations and apologizes to Bernie sanders supporters, I'll eat my shoe and take a ban.
I expect a reach out to Bernie supporters but obv she will ignore the DNC.
What do you seriously expect her to say in a nomination acceptance speech on the issue?
What is reasonable to expect and would satisfy you?
I'll go out on a limb and say nothing can.
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I'm surprised that they actually got DWS out, given how stubbornly her supporters refused a future without her leading the party. I don't expect Hillary to do anything but to give her a golden parachute while drawing attention away from the issue as well as she can.
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On July 29 2016 06:01 LegalLord wrote:
I'm surprised that they actually got DWS out, given how stubbornly her supporters refused a future without her leading the party. I don't expect Hillary to do anything but to give her a golden parachute while drawing attention away from the issue as well as she can.
and while DWS lands softly in her golden parachute, HRC's untrustworthiness will soon escape earth's gravity
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On July 29 2016 05:56 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 05:28 biology]major wrote:
I'm gonna expect her to completely ignore Bernie sanders and his supporters, and the shitty behavior by DNC. It will prove the point that dws resignation was simply for show, to avoid the issue rather than replace her with someone more fair. I'd be very surprised if she even mentions any of the above, but if she really exceeds my expectations and apologizes to Bernie sanders supporters, I'll eat my shoe and take a ban. I expect a reach out to Bernie supporters but obv she will ignore the DNC. What do you seriously expect her to say in a nomination acceptance speech on the issue? What is reasonable to expect and would satisfy you? I'll go out on a limb and say nothing can.
She doesn't have to apologize, but she should address the elephant in the room.
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Billionaire investor George Soros has re-emerged this election cycle as a major Democratic donor, committing more than $25 million to Hillary Clinton and other party candidates and causes, according to Politico.
Soros spent roughly $27 million in a bid to unseat then-President George W. Bush in 2004 but later scaled back his giving, the website reported. Some associates of the Soros Fund Management chairman told Politico they expect him to give even more as Election Day approaches.
The Hungarian-born financier is worth $24.9 billion, according to Forbes' most recent estimate, and his return as a big-time contributor will be a boon to the party as it seeks to retain control of the White House and regain a majority in the Senate.
Soros advisor Michael Vachon told Politico that Soros "has been a consistent donor to Democratic causes, but this year the political stakes are exceptionally high."
Vachon confirmed to CNBC Politico's report of the roughly $25 million in donations so far this cycle.
Soros' charity, Open Society Foundations, did not respond to CNBC's requests for comment.
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On July 29 2016 06:09 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 05:56 Gorsameth wrote:On July 29 2016 05:28 biology]major wrote:
I'm gonna expect her to completely ignore Bernie sanders and his supporters, and the shitty behavior by DNC. It will prove the point that dws resignation was simply for show, to avoid the issue rather than replace her with someone more fair. I'd be very surprised if she even mentions any of the above, but if she really exceeds my expectations and apologizes to Bernie sanders supporters, I'll eat my shoe and take a ban. I expect a reach out to Bernie supporters but obv she will ignore the DNC. What do you seriously expect her to say in a nomination acceptance speech on the issue? What is reasonable to expect and would satisfy you? I'll go out on a limb and say nothing can. She doesn't have to apologize, but she should address the elephant in the room.
I didnt mention the word apologize, I asked you what reasonable comment you expect.
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Apparently the DNC has been beating the RNC in TV viewers. Is that normal most years? I would have thought Trump would have swept the ratings.
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On July 29 2016 06:23 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 06:09 biology]major wrote:On July 29 2016 05:56 Gorsameth wrote:On July 29 2016 05:28 biology]major wrote:
I'm gonna expect her to completely ignore Bernie sanders and his supporters, and the shitty behavior by DNC. It will prove the point that dws resignation was simply for show, to avoid the issue rather than replace her with someone more fair. I'd be very surprised if she even mentions any of the above, but if she really exceeds my expectations and apologizes to Bernie sanders supporters, I'll eat my shoe and take a ban. I expect a reach out to Bernie supporters but obv she will ignore the DNC. What do you seriously expect her to say in a nomination acceptance speech on the issue? What is reasonable to expect and would satisfy you? I'll go out on a limb and say nothing can. She doesn't have to apologize, but she should address the elephant in the room. I didnt mention the word apologize, I asked you what reasonable comment you expect.
"HEYA ANGRY BERNIEBROS ? SUP ? YEAH WE CHEATED ? MAA BADD>>> NOW LESS BEAT DRUMPF.
Love you too Susie..."
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Is 'stronger together' the new slogan for the Clinton campaign? I have heard a lot of speakers using that line today.
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On July 29 2016 07:05 CobaltBlu wrote:
Is 'stronger together' the new slogan for the Clinton campaign? I have heard a lot of speakers using that line today.
Well they are trying to promote unity....
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