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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-22 15:40:17
June 22 2016 15:40 GMT
#82121
On June 23 2016 00:35 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio announced Wednesday he will run for re-election to a second term, reversing his prior pledge that he would not try to return to the Senate if he lost his bid for the Republican presidential nomination.

In an 18-paragraph statement posted on Twitter, Rubio said there's "too much at stake."

"Control of the Senate may very well come down to the race in Florida," he said. "That means the future of the Supreme Court will be determined by the Florida Senate seat. It means the future of the disastrous Iran nuclear deal will be determined by the Florida Senate seat. It means the direction of our country’s fiscal and economic policies will be determined by this Senate seat. The stakes for our nation could not be higher."

Source


is this Rubio's way of saying "i'll support trumps policy?" his flip flop on being a private citizen/public office re-run confuses me
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 22 2016 15:43 GMT
#82122
lol that is so obvious. guy is a pure apparatchik with corporate astroturfing
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22566 Posts
June 22 2016 15:47 GMT
#82123
On June 23 2016 00:40 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2016 00:35 LegalLord wrote:
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio announced Wednesday he will run for re-election to a second term, reversing his prior pledge that he would not try to return to the Senate if he lost his bid for the Republican presidential nomination.

In an 18-paragraph statement posted on Twitter, Rubio said there's "too much at stake."

"Control of the Senate may very well come down to the race in Florida," he said. "That means the future of the Supreme Court will be determined by the Florida Senate seat. It means the future of the disastrous Iran nuclear deal will be determined by the Florida Senate seat. It means the direction of our country’s fiscal and economic policies will be determined by this Senate seat. The stakes for our nation could not be higher."

Source


is this Rubio's way of saying "i'll support trumps policy?" his flip flop on being a private citizen/public office re-run confuses me

Its Rubio's way of saying "Omg I dont want to be out of a job, why did I say such stupid things"
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 22 2016 15:50 GMT
#82124
Does Rubio have a better chance of beating the democratic challenger for that seat than whoever was planning to run for the Reps there and is stepping aside for Rubio?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
June 22 2016 15:50 GMT
#82125
On June 23 2016 00:47 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2016 00:40 amazingxkcd wrote:
On June 23 2016 00:35 LegalLord wrote:
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio announced Wednesday he will run for re-election to a second term, reversing his prior pledge that he would not try to return to the Senate if he lost his bid for the Republican presidential nomination.

In an 18-paragraph statement posted on Twitter, Rubio said there's "too much at stake."

"Control of the Senate may very well come down to the race in Florida," he said. "That means the future of the Supreme Court will be determined by the Florida Senate seat. It means the future of the disastrous Iran nuclear deal will be determined by the Florida Senate seat. It means the direction of our country’s fiscal and economic policies will be determined by this Senate seat. The stakes for our nation could not be higher."

Source


is this Rubio's way of saying "i'll support trumps policy?" his flip flop on being a private citizen/public office re-run confuses me

Its Rubio's way of saying "Omg I dont want to be out of a job, why did I say such stupid things"


this makes more sense to me than my own thoughts
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 22 2016 15:51 GMT
#82126
On June 22 2016 23:45 oneofthem wrote:
hillary was for tougher stance on russia. obama was naive about putin after he pulled the shady stunt to get elected again.

simultaneously, hillary is both a socialist idealist and a corporatist warmonger. it's just ignorance
Like happens all the time with Republicans, the secretary of state shares the blame with the President on foreign policy failures should she not resign in protest. Now she can say what she wishes; she needs to politically distance herself from the performance of the Obama presidency whether she was the loudest proponent in cabinet meetings or its sharpest detractor. I say Obama and Clinton are still both naive about Putin and still will act that way, despite all the verbal posturing.
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
June 22 2016 16:00 GMT
#82127

House Democrats led by Civil Rights veteran Rep. John Lewis, D-Georgia, are in the midst of a sit-in on the chamber floor to try and force a vote on gun control.

"Now is the time for us to find a way to dramatize it, to make it real," Lewis said. "We have to occupy the floor of the House until there is action."

Then Lewis and House Democrats sat.

The protest is not being televised because the House has not formally gaveled into session.

So members took to social media to lodge their protests.

Source
© Current year.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
June 22 2016 16:02 GMT
#82128
On June 23 2016 01:00 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +

House Democrats led by Civil Rights veteran Rep. John Lewis, D-Georgia, are in the midst of a sit-in on the chamber floor to try and force a vote on gun control.

"Now is the time for us to find a way to dramatize it, to make it real," Lewis said. "We have to occupy the floor of the House until there is action."

Then Lewis and House Democrats sat.

The protest is not being televised because the House has not formally gaveled into session.

So members took to social media to lodge their protests.

Source
https://twitter.com/RepJohnLarson/status/745639410717310976



This is comical kek
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24341 Posts
June 22 2016 16:03 GMT
#82129
On June 23 2016 01:00 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +

House Democrats led by Civil Rights veteran Rep. John Lewis, D-Georgia, are in the midst of a sit-in on the chamber floor to try and force a vote on gun control.

"Now is the time for us to find a way to dramatize it, to make it real," Lewis said. "We have to occupy the floor of the House until there is action."

Then Lewis and House Democrats sat.

The protest is not being televised because the House has not formally gaveled into session.

So members took to social media to lodge their protests.

Source
https://twitter.com/RepJohnLarson/status/745639410717310976


I'd prefer decent legislation to stunts, but at least this makes my guns more valuable.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 22 2016 16:04 GMT
#82130
I'm sure that these numbers will shift in Hillary's favor as times goes on, but, damn!

In the two weeks since Hillary Clinton wrapped up the Democratic presidential primary, runner-up Bernie Sanders has promised to work hard to defeat Donald Trump — but he’s given no sign he’ll soon embrace Clinton, his party’s presumptive nominee. Neither have many of Sanders’s supporters. A June 14th Bloomberg Politics national poll of likely voters in November’s election found that barely half of those who favored Sanders — 55 percent — plan to vote for Clinton. Instead, 22 percent say they’ll vote for Trump, while 18 percent favor Libertarian Gary Johnson. “I’m a registered Democrat, but I cannot bring myself to vote for another establishment politician like Hillary,” says Laura Armes, a 43-year-old homemaker from Beeville, Texas, who participated in the Bloomberg poll and plans to vote for Trump. “I don’t agree with a lot of what Trump says. But he won’t owe anybody. What you see is what you get.”

Conversations with two dozen Sanders supporters revealed a lingering distrust of Clinton as too establishment-friendly, hawkish or untrustworthy. As some Sanders fans see it, the primary was not a simple preference for purity over pragmatism, but a moral choice between an honest figure and someone whom they consider fundamentally corrupted by the ways of Washington. Sanders has fed these perceptions throughout his campaign, which is one reason he's having a hard time coming around to an endorsement.


Read the rest here.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 22 2016 16:05 GMT
#82131
yea as expected, it will be a problem. people who expect rationality from the sandernistas are incredibly naive

User was temp banned for this post.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-22 16:07:54
June 22 2016 16:07 GMT
#82132
On June 23 2016 01:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2016 01:00 CorsairHero wrote:

House Democrats led by Civil Rights veteran Rep. John Lewis, D-Georgia, are in the midst of a sit-in on the chamber floor to try and force a vote on gun control.

"Now is the time for us to find a way to dramatize it, to make it real," Lewis said. "We have to occupy the floor of the House until there is action."

Then Lewis and House Democrats sat.

The protest is not being televised because the House has not formally gaveled into session.

So members took to social media to lodge their protests.

Source
https://twitter.com/RepJohnLarson/status/745639410717310976


I'd prefer decent legislation to stunts, but at least this makes my guns more valuable.


They can’t bring anything to a vote in the House without the GOP allowing it. The speaker is the only one who can bring a bill to a vote in the house. This is literally all the minor can do since the 1990s and rule change. One guess who changed the rules, even though they were in the minority for decades.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-22 16:13:06
June 22 2016 16:12 GMT
#82133
On June 23 2016 01:07 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2016 01:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 23 2016 01:00 CorsairHero wrote:

House Democrats led by Civil Rights veteran Rep. John Lewis, D-Georgia, are in the midst of a sit-in on the chamber floor to try and force a vote on gun control.

"Now is the time for us to find a way to dramatize it, to make it real," Lewis said. "We have to occupy the floor of the House until there is action."

Then Lewis and House Democrats sat.

The protest is not being televised because the House has not formally gaveled into session.

So members took to social media to lodge their protests.

Source
https://twitter.com/RepJohnLarson/status/745639410717310976


I'd prefer decent legislation to stunts, but at least this makes my guns more valuable.


They can’t bring anything to a vote in the House without the GOP allowing it. The speaker is the only one who can bring a bill to a vote in the house. This is literally all the minor can do since the 1990s and rule change. One guess who changed the rules, even though they were in the minority for decades.


compromises can be made, but what compromise do you make to the GOP to add new gun control laws? remember that using debate and rhetoric apparently didn't work here; consider the importance of 2A to the GOP platform
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
June 22 2016 16:15 GMT
#82134
On June 23 2016 01:04 xDaunt wrote:
I'm sure that these numbers will shift in Hillary's favor as times goes on, but, damn!

Show nested quote +
In the two weeks since Hillary Clinton wrapped up the Democratic presidential primary, runner-up Bernie Sanders has promised to work hard to defeat Donald Trump — but he’s given no sign he’ll soon embrace Clinton, his party’s presumptive nominee. Neither have many of Sanders’s supporters. A June 14th Bloomberg Politics national poll of likely voters in November’s election found that barely half of those who favored Sanders — 55 percent — plan to vote for Clinton. Instead, 22 percent say they’ll vote for Trump, while 18 percent favor Libertarian Gary Johnson. “I’m a registered Democrat, but I cannot bring myself to vote for another establishment politician like Hillary,” says Laura Armes, a 43-year-old homemaker from Beeville, Texas, who participated in the Bloomberg poll and plans to vote for Trump. “I don’t agree with a lot of what Trump says. But he won’t owe anybody. What you see is what you get.”

Conversations with two dozen Sanders supporters revealed a lingering distrust of Clinton as too establishment-friendly, hawkish or untrustworthy. As some Sanders fans see it, the primary was not a simple preference for purity over pragmatism, but a moral choice between an honest figure and someone whom they consider fundamentally corrupted by the ways of Washington. Sanders has fed these perceptions throughout his campaign, which is one reason he's having a hard time coming around to an endorsement.


Read the rest here.


They've always been there and they always will be. Bernie hasn't even formally given up yet. All that Bernie is concerned with is feeling respected and that his movement is considered more than a blip. He's holding out in hopes that he can put pressure on. Unfortunately, Trump is making it very hard for him to have any bargaining power right now. Clinton is way ahead right now and Trump does not exactly look poised to make a comeback.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 22 2016 16:19 GMT
#82135
On June 23 2016 01:12 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2016 01:07 Plansix wrote:
On June 23 2016 01:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 23 2016 01:00 CorsairHero wrote:

House Democrats led by Civil Rights veteran Rep. John Lewis, D-Georgia, are in the midst of a sit-in on the chamber floor to try and force a vote on gun control.

"Now is the time for us to find a way to dramatize it, to make it real," Lewis said. "We have to occupy the floor of the House until there is action."

Then Lewis and House Democrats sat.

The protest is not being televised because the House has not formally gaveled into session.

So members took to social media to lodge their protests.

Source
https://twitter.com/RepJohnLarson/status/745639410717310976


I'd prefer decent legislation to stunts, but at least this makes my guns more valuable.


They can’t bring anything to a vote in the House without the GOP allowing it. The speaker is the only one who can bring a bill to a vote in the house. This is literally all the minor can do since the 1990s and rule change. One guess who changed the rules, even though they were in the minority for decades.


compromises can be made, but what compromise do you make to the GOP to add new gun control laws? remember that using debate and rhetoric apparently didn't work here; consider the importance of 2A to the GOP platform

Why won’t let any bill come to a vote? This house is one of the least productive sessions of congress in history. How do you compromise when the other side wants that status quo and has the power to make sure nothing ever happens? If the GOP doesn’t’ want the bill, they should just vote it down like grownups.

Back before this garbage rule, bills used to just get voted on and fail. House members had voting records. That isnt’ true any longer because only the majority can bring a bill to the vote, so the minority is powerless. The House of Representatives is broken and has been since the 90s.
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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
June 22 2016 16:20 GMT
#82136
welcome to the disintegration of divisive politics.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 22 2016 16:23 GMT
#82137
Just vote on things. I don’t really care if they fail or succeed. Or if the bill is bad or not. Just bring bills to a vote and lets them fail on their own merits or flaws. This holding the entire government hostage with a single rule is the worst part of modern politics and I don’t know why it isn’t talked about more. The minority being powerless in the House of Representatives just anti-democratic. I don’t’ care which side is in the minority or majority.
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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
June 22 2016 16:29 GMT
#82138
On June 23 2016 01:23 Plansix wrote:
Just vote on things. I don’t really care if they fail or succeed. Or if the bill is bad or not. Just bring bills to a vote and lets them fail on their own merits or flaws. This holding the entire government hostage with a single rule is the worst part of modern politics and I don’t know why it isn’t talked about more. The minority being powerless in the House of Representatives just anti-democratic. I don’t’ care which side is in the minority or majority.


fascinating how noble ideals of democracy seemed to has broken down into almost mob rule in the House. it's almost like we seen this before....
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-22 16:37:51
June 22 2016 16:34 GMT
#82139
On June 23 2016 01:04 xDaunt wrote:
I'm sure that these numbers will shift in Hillary's favor as times goes on, but, damn!

Show nested quote +
In the two weeks since Hillary Clinton wrapped up the Democratic presidential primary, runner-up Bernie Sanders has promised to work hard to defeat Donald Trump — but he’s given no sign he’ll soon embrace Clinton, his party’s presumptive nominee. Neither have many of Sanders’s supporters. A June 14th Bloomberg Politics national poll of likely voters in November’s election found that barely half of those who favored Sanders — 55 percent — plan to vote for Clinton. Instead, 22 percent say they’ll vote for Trump, while 18 percent favor Libertarian Gary Johnson. “I’m a registered Democrat, but I cannot bring myself to vote for another establishment politician like Hillary,” says Laura Armes, a 43-year-old homemaker from Beeville, Texas, who participated in the Bloomberg poll and plans to vote for Trump. “I don’t agree with a lot of what Trump says. But he won’t owe anybody. What you see is what you get.”

Conversations with two dozen Sanders supporters revealed a lingering distrust of Clinton as too establishment-friendly, hawkish or untrustworthy. As some Sanders fans see it, the primary was not a simple preference for purity over pragmatism, but a moral choice between an honest figure and someone whom they consider fundamentally corrupted by the ways of Washington. Sanders has fed these perceptions throughout his campaign, which is one reason he's having a hard time coming around to an endorsement.


Read the rest here.


Lol she has a 12pt lead in that Bloomberg poll.

What's funny is if Bernie had endorsed he could have claimed credit for the bump in polls and uniting the party
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 22 2016 16:40 GMT
#82140
On June 23 2016 01:12 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2016 01:07 Plansix wrote:
On June 23 2016 01:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 23 2016 01:00 CorsairHero wrote:

House Democrats led by Civil Rights veteran Rep. John Lewis, D-Georgia, are in the midst of a sit-in on the chamber floor to try and force a vote on gun control.

"Now is the time for us to find a way to dramatize it, to make it real," Lewis said. "We have to occupy the floor of the House until there is action."

Then Lewis and House Democrats sat.

The protest is not being televised because the House has not formally gaveled into session.

So members took to social media to lodge their protests.

Source
https://twitter.com/RepJohnLarson/status/745639410717310976


I'd prefer decent legislation to stunts, but at least this makes my guns more valuable.


They can’t bring anything to a vote in the House without the GOP allowing it. The speaker is the only one who can bring a bill to a vote in the house. This is literally all the minor can do since the 1990s and rule change. One guess who changed the rules, even though they were in the minority for decades.


compromises can be made, but what compromise do you make to the GOP to add new gun control laws? remember that using debate and rhetoric apparently didn't work here; consider the importance of 2A to the GOP platform
If any GOP reps support gun control legislation, that's an invitation for a tough primary. Hey look, your rep buckled under pressure to take away second amendment rights from you and your fellow citizens in the wake of Islamic terrorism. I think everybody knows to just pay lip service to this ridiculously partisan issue.
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