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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-22 11:26:45
June 22 2016 11:19 GMT
#82101
So apparently the Clinton Foundation might have been hacked along with a dossier of documents leaked related to fundraising numbers attached to Hillary Clinton but also from whom which many have speculated to from foreign governments and heads of state.

All Trump would have to do today, if true, is have a copy and go over everything with a highlighter.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-22 12:03:38
June 22 2016 12:03 GMT
#82102
On June 22 2016 20:19 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
All Trump would have to do today, if true, is have a copy and go over everything with a highlighter.

A highlighter is not going to invent a smoking gun that isn't there and doesn't exist.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 22 2016 12:26 GMT
#82103
ctrl f $

We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 22 2016 13:54 GMT
#82104
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 22 2016 14:12 GMT
#82105
I wonder what effect this series of leaks is going to have. The DNC proved that it isn't very good at securing other people's data, so I'm curious if that will lead to trust issues. Potential donors who worry that their private information might get leaked is certainly a possibility.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15689 Posts
June 22 2016 14:29 GMT
#82106
On June 22 2016 23:12 LegalLord wrote:
I wonder what effect this series of leaks is going to have. The DNC proved that it isn't very good at securing other people's data, so I'm curious if that will lead to trust issues. Potential donors who worry that their private information might get leaked is certainly a possibility.


What other choice do they have this year?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-22 14:34:51
June 22 2016 14:34 GMT
#82107
Gary Johnson.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
June 22 2016 14:35 GMT
#82108
On June 22 2016 23:12 LegalLord wrote:
I wonder what effect this series of leaks is going to have. The DNC proved that it isn't very good at securing other people's data, so I'm curious if that will lead to trust issues. Potential donors who worry that their private information might get leaked is certainly a possibility.


Probably going to lead to more contributions to the Clinton campaign directly (as far as I know it hasn't been hacked) and SuperPACs (also relatively unscathed afaik). Mostly an issue for downballot races, I think.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 22 2016 14:37 GMT
#82109
On June 22 2016 09:32 oneofthem wrote:
^lol just lol

clinton is the only one willing to stand up to russia
She just needs a new reset button, lol just lol. Her tenure was one that helped embolden Russia to seize territory in the Ukraine.

On June 22 2016 09:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 08:56 Danglars wrote:
On June 22 2016 04:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On June 22 2016 04:22 xDaunt wrote:
On June 22 2016 03:22 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Jesus fucking Christ.

The Supreme Court gutted the exclusionary rule and the Fourth Amendment yesterday.

what. the. fuck. 5-3. I mean, Breyer generally has a blindspot to these types of 4th Amendment cases, but what the flipping f' did they overturn the Utah SC decision.

Sotomayor's dissent is the only good things to come from this case. Why the crap...

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/14-1373_83i7.pdf

Page 14.

I don't see anything wrong with the opinion. Hell, it is so fact-specific that I have real trouble seeing how it will have any general applicability.



The decision effectively legalizes illegal searches. Normally, an illegal search means that the chain of events resulting from the search, INCLUDING the acquisition of the warrant that would be used to justify the search, is void/tainted. If he was not illegally stopped and asked for ID, then the officer would not have found the warrant that would justify the search for evidence, and could not have have justification for a more invasive search: the chain of events cannot occur without the search. That is fundamentally what the exclusionary rule is about.

It does require the officer be operating under "good faith" and only having conducted it out of "negligence", but honestly, the claim of negligence can be so readily used to justify almost any stop and readily used as cover for abuses of power, which is fundamentally what the Fourth Amendment is trying to protect us from.

Allowing "breaches of convenience" is a really bad idea here.


It's a massive loophole they've added to something that could've been uncontroversial (Utah SC ruled unanimously to strike down the evidence), though the Fourth has been worn down quite abit. But ARGH. All of the possibilities for police to target racial minorities and poor communities that this opens up.

It's times like this when I miss Scalia. He would've written a fiery dissent condemning the court for this.

This is still very hyperbolic just reading the actual text of the supreme court decision. You're all up in arms that he was stopped and questioned from a police tip and suspicion? I fully came into this expecting to read that there was no warrant, some kind of illegal search happened and the ended up inside the house. Identification to arrest for a pre-existing outstanding warrant? Come on, this is quite a clear chain of events that doesn't eviscerate the 4th amendment. I doubt Scalia would've found issue. His last one on 4th amendment completely hinged on no basis for belief of guilt of a crime beforehand.

The Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation was among the organizations breached by suspected Russian hackers in a dragnet of the U.S. political apparatus ahead of the November election, according to three people familiar with the matter.

The attacks on the foundation’s network, as well as those of the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, compound concerns about her digital security even as the FBI continues to investigate her use of a personal e-mail server while she was secretary of state.

Clinton Foundation officials said the organization hadn’t been notified of the breach and declined to comment further. The compromise of the foundation’s computers was first identified by government investigators as recently as last week, the people familiar with the matter said. Agents monitor servers used by hackers to communicate with their targets, giving them a back channel view of attacks, often even before the victims detect them. [...]

The thefts set the stage for what could be a Washington remake of the public shaming that shook Sony in 2014, when thousands of inflammatory internal e-mails filled with gossip about world leaders and Hollywood stars were made public. Donor information and opposition research on Trump purportedly stolen from the Democratic Party has surfaced online, and the culprit has threatened to publish thousands more documents.

This might be bad news for the Clinton Crime Family Foundation. On the other hand, I think Russia would prefer a Hillary in the white house given her previous state department softness on Russian aggression.


Putin and Trump have openly praised one another while he's openly criticized Clinton.
I doubt that's more than posturing. Even assuming it's not, strong leaders may hold mutual respect but prefer dealing with someone with a track record of weakness.
On June 22 2016 09:45 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Russian state hackers are hacking the DNC ... and you think Russia prefers Democrats? Under Obama, Putin's Russia has had negative GDP growth for the last two years. Putin had to walk back his praise of Trump because it was getting too blatant.

Even say they're now much more prepared now if you wish. This from the party's who's candidate kept her servers in a bathroom in Colorado. On the contrary, a history of obvious ineptitude invites penetration testing.

On June 22 2016 10:07 Nyxisto wrote:
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On June 22 2016 08:56 Danglars wrote:
This might be bad news for the Clinton Crime Family Foundation. On the other hand, I think Russia would prefer a Hillary in the white house given her previous state department softness on Russian aggression.


This is wrong on two levels, Putin would most definitely prefer a hawk in the White House because the encirclement stuff is what drives his popularity in Russia and Hillary is definitely a lot more interventionist than Trump
Whatever you say with this advanced unintuitive psychology argument. The successor or crafter of some of Obama's worst foreign policy mistakes was a win for Putin, is now the status quo, and is likely in the future yield more wins.

On June 22 2016 10:30 xDaunt wrote:
Yeah, Putin doesn't have to do anything to sink Europe. The Europeans are doing a fine job self-combusting.
Our contribution in that sector might matter very little in the coming decades.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 22 2016 14:45 GMT
#82110
hillary was for tougher stance on russia. obama was naive about putin after he pulled the shady stunt to get elected again.

simultaneously, hillary is both a socialist idealist and a corporatist warmonger. it's just ignorance
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 22 2016 14:47 GMT
#82111
On June 22 2016 23:12 LegalLord wrote:
I wonder what effect this series of leaks is going to have. The DNC proved that it isn't very good at securing other people's data, so I'm curious if that will lead to trust issues. Potential donors who worry that their private information might get leaked is certainly a possibility.

it'll show nothing improper is going on for rational people, enable some propaganda for the money=evil ows etc crowd, and charge of incompetence from the right.

it's not interesting.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15689 Posts
June 22 2016 14:49 GMT
#82112
On June 22 2016 23:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Gary Johnson.


That's silly. Gary Johnson is a 3rd party candidate and you know that he doesn't have a chance in hell at winning.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-22 14:52:27
June 22 2016 14:51 GMT
#82113
audit the fed? you've got the ows crowd on board. it's really comically silly the kind of alternative reality these people live in.

nevermind the flat tax and gutting of federal programs. as long as you want to burn the banks, you are a true progressive
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5281 Posts
June 22 2016 14:54 GMT
#82114
On June 22 2016 22:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/745601749986197504

The DNC has painted Guccifer 2.0’s claims as a Russian disinformation campaign.

In an interview with Motherboard, Guccifer 2.0 claimed to be from Romania.

Asked if he worked with the Russian government, he replied: "No because I don't like Russians and their foreign policy. I hate being attributed to Russia."

romanian hacktivists, exposing the truth since 2016.
lol, just lol.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1352 Posts
June 22 2016 14:57 GMT
#82115
Trump speech now on cnn
"breaking news" lol
Its a good speech so far,nothing crazy. Apealing to Bernie supporters and attacking Clinton.
Maybe the comeback is real.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 22 2016 15:04 GMT
#82116
On June 22 2016 23:57 pmh wrote:
Trump speech now on cnn
"breaking news" lol
Its a good speech so far,nothing crazy. Apealing to Bernie supporters and attacking Clinton.
Maybe the comeback is real.

It's not really worth getting hung up on the day to day happenings in the race right now. We are still over four months out from the election.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-22 15:13:55
June 22 2016 15:05 GMT
#82117
On June 23 2016 00:04 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 23:57 pmh wrote:
Trump speech now on cnn
"breaking news" lol
Its a good speech so far,nothing crazy. Apealing to Bernie supporters and attacking Clinton.
Maybe the comeback is real.

It's not really worth getting hung up on the day to day happenings in the race right now. We are still over four months out from the election.

Wouldn't be the first time that Hillary prematurely claimed a steamroll victory.

On June 22 2016 23:54 xM(Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 22:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/745601749986197504

Show nested quote +
The DNC has painted Guccifer 2.0’s claims as a Russian disinformation campaign.

In an interview with Motherboard, Guccifer 2.0 claimed to be from Romania.

Asked if he worked with the Russian government, he replied: "No because I don't like Russians and their foreign policy. I hate being attributed to Russia."

romanian hacktivists, exposing the truth since 2016.
lol, just lol.

Interview: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/dnc-hacker-guccifer-20-interview

But when we asked him to explain to us how he hacked into the DNC in Romanian, he seemed to stall us, and said he didn’t want to “waste” his time doing that. The few short sentences he sent in Romanian were filled with mistakes, according to several Romanian native speakers.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 22 2016 15:14 GMT
#82118
no one is claiming victory this time around. it's pretty clear that the media environment, electorate mood and just overall eagerness to condemn governing institutions and expertise make for a difficult fight.

it's also clear that it isn't the case that there wasn't a tea party of the left. there was. it's just that due to demographic concentration and overall lack of organization, it did not have much influence on actual politics until the general election. the overall effect of the green tea party isn't the construction of a congressional bloc, but the production of internet based media and organizing protests.

the right votes, the left whines. basically sums up the two tea parties.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
June 22 2016 15:19 GMT
#82119
On June 22 2016 23:57 pmh wrote:
Trump speech now on cnn
"breaking news" lol
Its a good speech so far,nothing crazy. Apealing to Bernie supporters and attacking Clinton.
Maybe the comeback is real.

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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 22 2016 15:35 GMT
#82120
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio announced Wednesday he will run for re-election to a second term, reversing his prior pledge that he would not try to return to the Senate if he lost his bid for the Republican presidential nomination.

In an 18-paragraph statement posted on Twitter, Rubio said there's "too much at stake."

"Control of the Senate may very well come down to the race in Florida," he said. "That means the future of the Supreme Court will be determined by the Florida Senate seat. It means the future of the disastrous Iran nuclear deal will be determined by the Florida Senate seat. It means the direction of our country’s fiscal and economic policies will be determined by this Senate seat. The stakes for our nation could not be higher."

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