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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 19:07:00
June 21 2016 19:06 GMT
#82061
Let's be honest no gun control will happen until an attack on the Capitol happens ala 9/11 in which the Government came directly under attack. Congress and the Senate protect their own first and foremost.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 21 2016 19:09 GMT
#82062
Well, with Bill O'Reilly coming out in favor of some measure of gun control I think we are closer to making some of the obvious improvements to gun control than we might think.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 21 2016 19:16 GMT
#82063
At some point there has to be some level of commons sense. There is no system to even delay a gun sale or notify law enforcement a known violent person tries to buy one. In some states I could threaten to kill someone, be arrested, charged, make bail and buy a gun all in the same week. I don’t think it should be automatic, but there should be some way to provide due process and also limit gun sales to specific people.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 21 2016 19:22 GMT
#82064
On June 22 2016 03:22 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Jesus fucking Christ.

The Supreme Court gutted the exclusionary rule and the Fourth Amendment yesterday.

what. the. fuck. 5-3. I mean, Breyer generally has a blindspot to these types of 4th Amendment cases, but what the flipping f' did they overturn the Utah SC decision.

Sotomayor's dissent is the only good things to come from this case. Why the crap...

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/14-1373_83i7.pdf

Page 14.

I don't see anything wrong with the opinion. Hell, it is so fact-specific that I have real trouble seeing how it will have any general applicability.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 19:24:36
June 21 2016 19:24 GMT
#82065
You have a majority of the populace that is paranoid, overtly religious, and nationalistic. Then you have a major party that is for all those things but in the hands of big business.

Not an easy task.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 19:46:16
June 21 2016 19:30 GMT
#82066
On June 22 2016 04:22 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 03:22 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Jesus fucking Christ.

The Supreme Court gutted the exclusionary rule and the Fourth Amendment yesterday.

what. the. fuck. 5-3. I mean, Breyer generally has a blindspot to these types of 4th Amendment cases, but what the flipping f' did they overturn the Utah SC decision.

Sotomayor's dissent is the only good things to come from this case. Why the crap...

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/14-1373_83i7.pdf

Page 14.

I don't see anything wrong with the opinion. Hell, it is so fact-specific that I have real trouble seeing how it will have any general applicability.



The decision effectively legalizes illegal searches. Normally, an illegal search means that the chain of events resulting from the search, INCLUDING the acquisition of the warrant that would be used to justify the search, is void/tainted. If he was not illegally stopped and asked for ID, then the officer would not have found the warrant that would justify the search for evidence, and could not have have justification for a more invasive search: the chain of events cannot occur without the search. That is fundamentally what the exclusionary rule is about.

It does require the officer be operating under "good faith" and only having conducted it out of "negligence", but honestly, the claim of negligence can be so readily used to justify almost any stop and readily used as cover for abuses of power, which is fundamentally what the Fourth Amendment is trying to protect us from.

Allowing "breaches of convenience" is a really bad idea here.


It's a massive loophole they've added to something that could've been uncontroversial (Utah SC ruled unanimously to strike down the evidence), though the Fourth has been worn down quite abit. But ARGH. All of the possibilities for police to target racial minorities and poor communities that this opens up.

It's times like this when I miss Scalia. He would've written a fiery dissent condemning the court for this.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 19:46:59
June 21 2016 19:46 GMT
#82067


congrats to trump, i guess?
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 21 2016 19:53 GMT
#82068
On June 22 2016 04:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 04:22 xDaunt wrote:
On June 22 2016 03:22 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Jesus fucking Christ.

The Supreme Court gutted the exclusionary rule and the Fourth Amendment yesterday.

what. the. fuck. 5-3. I mean, Breyer generally has a blindspot to these types of 4th Amendment cases, but what the flipping f' did they overturn the Utah SC decision.

Sotomayor's dissent is the only good things to come from this case. Why the crap...

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/14-1373_83i7.pdf

Page 14.

I don't see anything wrong with the opinion. Hell, it is so fact-specific that I have real trouble seeing how it will have any general applicability.



The decision effectively legalizes illegal searches. Normally, an illegal search means that the chain of events resulting from the search, INCLUDING the acquisition of the warrant that would be used to justify the search, is void/tainted. If he was not illegally stopped and asked for ID, then the officer would not have found the warrant that would justify the search for evidence, and could not have have justification for a more invasive search: the chain of events cannot occur without the search. That is fundamentally what the exclusionary rule is about.

It does require the officer be operating under "good faith" and only having conducted it out of "negligence", but honestly, the claim of negligence can be so readily used to justify almost any stop and readily used as cover for abuses of power, which is fundamentally what the Fourth Amendment is trying to protect us from.

Allowing "breaches of convenience" is a really bad idea here.


It's a massive loophole they've added to something that could've been uncontroversial (Utah SC ruled unanimously to strike down the evidence), though the Fourth has been worn down quite abit. But ARGH. All of the possibilities for police to target racial minorities and poor communities that this opens up.


This is rather hyperbolic. The exclusionary rule has long had exceptions to it. So really what we're talking about is whether the Fourth Amendment has a new, big hole in it. I think it's pretty clear that the answer to that question is no. We can argue about the severity of the officer's misconduct (frankly, I agree with the Court that his misconduct was marginal at best), but the real linchpin of the opinion is the fact that the defendant had an outstanding warrant for his arrest. The Court makes this very clear. At most, what this case really stands for is that the existence of a preexisting arrest warrant can provide an exception to the exclusionary rule as long as long as the misconduct of the police is de minimis. All this really means is that dipshit criminals now need to make sure that they comply with existing governmental process burdens in addition to ensuring that they aren't doing something stupid like driving around with broken tail lights. I don't see this new opinion as being a particularly useful vehicle for abuse.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 21 2016 19:53 GMT
#82069
I do believe Republicans shit the bed by losing to Trump's hostile takeover. I predicted very long ago that Trump and Hillary would be the nominees and Hillary would crush him. I would call myself a psychic if it wasn't so obvious that the tea party/Obama-is-a-Muslim wing of the Republican party would spell disaster.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 20:11:28
June 21 2016 20:07 GMT
#82070
On June 22 2016 04:53 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 04:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On June 22 2016 04:22 xDaunt wrote:
On June 22 2016 03:22 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Jesus fucking Christ.

The Supreme Court gutted the exclusionary rule and the Fourth Amendment yesterday.

what. the. fuck. 5-3. I mean, Breyer generally has a blindspot to these types of 4th Amendment cases, but what the flipping f' did they overturn the Utah SC decision.

Sotomayor's dissent is the only good things to come from this case. Why the crap...

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/14-1373_83i7.pdf

Page 14.

I don't see anything wrong with the opinion. Hell, it is so fact-specific that I have real trouble seeing how it will have any general applicability.



The decision effectively legalizes illegal searches. Normally, an illegal search means that the chain of events resulting from the search, INCLUDING the acquisition of the warrant that would be used to justify the search, is void/tainted. If he was not illegally stopped and asked for ID, then the officer would not have found the warrant that would justify the search for evidence, and could not have have justification for a more invasive search: the chain of events cannot occur without the search. That is fundamentally what the exclusionary rule is about.

It does require the officer be operating under "good faith" and only having conducted it out of "negligence", but honestly, the claim of negligence can be so readily used to justify almost any stop and readily used as cover for abuses of power, which is fundamentally what the Fourth Amendment is trying to protect us from.

Allowing "breaches of convenience" is a really bad idea here.


It's a massive loophole they've added to something that could've been uncontroversial (Utah SC ruled unanimously to strike down the evidence), though the Fourth has been worn down quite abit. But ARGH. All of the possibilities for police to target racial minorities and poor communities that this opens up.


This is rather hyperbolic. The exclusionary rule has long had exceptions to it. So really what we're talking about is whether the Fourth Amendment has a new, big hole in it. I think it's pretty clear that the answer to that question is no. We can argue about the severity of the officer's misconduct (frankly, I agree with the Court that his misconduct was marginal at best), but the real linchpin of the opinion is the fact that the defendant had an outstanding warrant for his arrest. The Court makes this very clear. At most, what this case really stands for is that the existence of a preexisting arrest warrant can provide an exception to the exclusionary rule as long as long as the misconduct of the police is de minimis. All this really means is that dipshit criminals now need to make sure that they comply with existing governmental process burdens in addition to ensuring that they aren't doing something stupid like driving around with broken tail lights. I don't see this new opinion as being a particularly useful vehicle for abuse.

Again, first I would point out the large number of open arrest warrants in the country, most of which stems from small infractions like unpaid parking tickets, etc. In NYC, there's 1.2 million warrants, in Ferguson, there's ~33,000 open arrest warrants in a community of ~21,000.

There is a great deal of potential for abuse here. First, warrants tend to be heavily enforced in minority or poor neighborhoods where they can be aggressively pursued. This essentially opens the possibility of officers making routine stops without probable cause near or poor neighborhoods, demand ID, and search for a (probable) warrant, search, repeat.

It incentivizes shit like Stop and Frisk. That's why it's problematic and why Sotomayor's dissent is so compelling, because the argument that this is an "isolated" case deserves skepticism.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 21 2016 20:15 GMT
#82071
On June 22 2016 05:07 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 04:53 xDaunt wrote:
On June 22 2016 04:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On June 22 2016 04:22 xDaunt wrote:
On June 22 2016 03:22 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Jesus fucking Christ.

The Supreme Court gutted the exclusionary rule and the Fourth Amendment yesterday.

what. the. fuck. 5-3. I mean, Breyer generally has a blindspot to these types of 4th Amendment cases, but what the flipping f' did they overturn the Utah SC decision.

Sotomayor's dissent is the only good things to come from this case. Why the crap...

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/14-1373_83i7.pdf

Page 14.

I don't see anything wrong with the opinion. Hell, it is so fact-specific that I have real trouble seeing how it will have any general applicability.



The decision effectively legalizes illegal searches. Normally, an illegal search means that the chain of events resulting from the search, INCLUDING the acquisition of the warrant that would be used to justify the search, is void/tainted. If he was not illegally stopped and asked for ID, then the officer would not have found the warrant that would justify the search for evidence, and could not have have justification for a more invasive search: the chain of events cannot occur without the search. That is fundamentally what the exclusionary rule is about.

It does require the officer be operating under "good faith" and only having conducted it out of "negligence", but honestly, the claim of negligence can be so readily used to justify almost any stop and readily used as cover for abuses of power, which is fundamentally what the Fourth Amendment is trying to protect us from.

Allowing "breaches of convenience" is a really bad idea here.


It's a massive loophole they've added to something that could've been uncontroversial (Utah SC ruled unanimously to strike down the evidence), though the Fourth has been worn down quite abit. But ARGH. All of the possibilities for police to target racial minorities and poor communities that this opens up.


This is rather hyperbolic. The exclusionary rule has long had exceptions to it. So really what we're talking about is whether the Fourth Amendment has a new, big hole in it. I think it's pretty clear that the answer to that question is no. We can argue about the severity of the officer's misconduct (frankly, I agree with the Court that his misconduct was marginal at best), but the real linchpin of the opinion is the fact that the defendant had an outstanding warrant for his arrest. The Court makes this very clear. At most, what this case really stands for is that the existence of a preexisting arrest warrant can provide an exception to the exclusionary rule as long as long as the misconduct of the police is de minimis. All this really means is that dipshit criminals now need to make sure that they comply with existing governmental process burdens in addition to ensuring that they aren't doing something stupid like driving around with broken tail lights. I don't see this new opinion as being a particularly useful vehicle for abuse.

Again, first I would point out the large number of open arrest warrants in the country, most of which stems from small infractions like unpaid parking tickets, etc. In NYC, there's 1.2 million warrants, in Ferguson, there's ~33,000 open arrest warrants in a community of ~21,000.

There is a great deal of potential for abuse here. First, warrants tend to be heavily enforced in minority or poor neighborhoods where they can be aggressively pursued. This essentially opens the possibility of officers making routine stops without probable cause near or poor neighborhoods, demand ID, and search for a (probable) warrant, search, repeat.

It incentivizes shit like Stop and Frisk. That's why it's problematic and why Sotomayor's dissent is so compelling, because the argument that this is an "isolated" case deserves skepticism.

The only upside to this is that is might lead to someone challenging arrest warrants for unpaid court files and fees.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
June 21 2016 20:19 GMT
#82072
I think there's a very convincing case to be made that we need to start closing out minor warrants for minor infractions. The number of them that are out there is pretty ridic when you look at the raw numbers.

Still doesn't address that you're now giving the police reasons to start "fishing", but it would greatly mitigate some of the concerns if the warrants they can be arrested for were actually meaningful, not "rode bike on sidewalk".
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2686 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 20:37:18
June 21 2016 20:35 GMT
#82073
On June 22 2016 04:53 Doodsmack wrote:
I do believe Republicans shit the bed by losing to Trump's hostile takeover. I predicted very long ago that Trump and Hillary would be the nominees and Hillary would crush him. I would call myself a psychic if it wasn't so obvious that the tea party/Obama-is-a-Muslim wing of the Republican party would spell disaster.


You literally write the same non content shit over and over. Filled with i told you so crap and "that candidate is an idiot LOL".

I know this is a waste of a post, but this is like the 5th post in the last few pages by you that is just freaking annoying and stupid.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 21 2016 20:37 GMT
#82074
It is odd that some municipalities allow those minor warrants exist endlessly, without any effort on the part of law enforcement to keep them current. They should go stale if nothing it done to them over a long period of time. But that would require the court to go through and discharge/vacate the warrant on a regular basis.

But they do it with the civil docket with stale, inactive on cases. So why not warrants for minor offenses?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 21 2016 20:43 GMT
#82075
On June 22 2016 05:07 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 04:53 xDaunt wrote:
On June 22 2016 04:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On June 22 2016 04:22 xDaunt wrote:
On June 22 2016 03:22 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Jesus fucking Christ.

The Supreme Court gutted the exclusionary rule and the Fourth Amendment yesterday.

what. the. fuck. 5-3. I mean, Breyer generally has a blindspot to these types of 4th Amendment cases, but what the flipping f' did they overturn the Utah SC decision.

Sotomayor's dissent is the only good things to come from this case. Why the crap...

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/14-1373_83i7.pdf

Page 14.

I don't see anything wrong with the opinion. Hell, it is so fact-specific that I have real trouble seeing how it will have any general applicability.



The decision effectively legalizes illegal searches. Normally, an illegal search means that the chain of events resulting from the search, INCLUDING the acquisition of the warrant that would be used to justify the search, is void/tainted. If he was not illegally stopped and asked for ID, then the officer would not have found the warrant that would justify the search for evidence, and could not have have justification for a more invasive search: the chain of events cannot occur without the search. That is fundamentally what the exclusionary rule is about.

It does require the officer be operating under "good faith" and only having conducted it out of "negligence", but honestly, the claim of negligence can be so readily used to justify almost any stop and readily used as cover for abuses of power, which is fundamentally what the Fourth Amendment is trying to protect us from.

Allowing "breaches of convenience" is a really bad idea here.


It's a massive loophole they've added to something that could've been uncontroversial (Utah SC ruled unanimously to strike down the evidence), though the Fourth has been worn down quite abit. But ARGH. All of the possibilities for police to target racial minorities and poor communities that this opens up.


This is rather hyperbolic. The exclusionary rule has long had exceptions to it. So really what we're talking about is whether the Fourth Amendment has a new, big hole in it. I think it's pretty clear that the answer to that question is no. We can argue about the severity of the officer's misconduct (frankly, I agree with the Court that his misconduct was marginal at best), but the real linchpin of the opinion is the fact that the defendant had an outstanding warrant for his arrest. The Court makes this very clear. At most, what this case really stands for is that the existence of a preexisting arrest warrant can provide an exception to the exclusionary rule as long as long as the misconduct of the police is de minimis. All this really means is that dipshit criminals now need to make sure that they comply with existing governmental process burdens in addition to ensuring that they aren't doing something stupid like driving around with broken tail lights. I don't see this new opinion as being a particularly useful vehicle for abuse.

Again, first I would point out the large number of open arrest warrants in the country, most of which stems from small infractions like unpaid parking tickets, etc. In NYC, there's 1.2 million warrants, in Ferguson, there's ~33,000 open arrest warrants in a community of ~21,000.

There is a great deal of potential for abuse here. First, warrants tend to be heavily enforced in minority or poor neighborhoods where they can be aggressively pursued. This essentially opens the possibility of officers making routine stops without probable cause near or poor neighborhoods, demand ID, and search for a (probable) warrant, search, repeat.

It incentivizes shit like Stop and Frisk. That's why it's problematic and why Sotomayor's dissent is so compelling, because the argument that this is an "isolated" case deserves skepticism.


The majority rule (ie state law in most states) already had this narrower reading of the exclusionary principle. So while I agree with you in principle I don't think it effectively changes a whole lot.
It is terrible to die of thirst at sea. Must you so salt your truth that it will no longer even slake thirst?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 21 2016 20:57 GMT
#82076
On June 22 2016 05:07 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 04:53 xDaunt wrote:
On June 22 2016 04:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On June 22 2016 04:22 xDaunt wrote:
On June 22 2016 03:22 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Jesus fucking Christ.

The Supreme Court gutted the exclusionary rule and the Fourth Amendment yesterday.

what. the. fuck. 5-3. I mean, Breyer generally has a blindspot to these types of 4th Amendment cases, but what the flipping f' did they overturn the Utah SC decision.

Sotomayor's dissent is the only good things to come from this case. Why the crap...

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/14-1373_83i7.pdf

Page 14.

I don't see anything wrong with the opinion. Hell, it is so fact-specific that I have real trouble seeing how it will have any general applicability.



The decision effectively legalizes illegal searches. Normally, an illegal search means that the chain of events resulting from the search, INCLUDING the acquisition of the warrant that would be used to justify the search, is void/tainted. If he was not illegally stopped and asked for ID, then the officer would not have found the warrant that would justify the search for evidence, and could not have have justification for a more invasive search: the chain of events cannot occur without the search. That is fundamentally what the exclusionary rule is about.

It does require the officer be operating under "good faith" and only having conducted it out of "negligence", but honestly, the claim of negligence can be so readily used to justify almost any stop and readily used as cover for abuses of power, which is fundamentally what the Fourth Amendment is trying to protect us from.

Allowing "breaches of convenience" is a really bad idea here.


It's a massive loophole they've added to something that could've been uncontroversial (Utah SC ruled unanimously to strike down the evidence), though the Fourth has been worn down quite abit. But ARGH. All of the possibilities for police to target racial minorities and poor communities that this opens up.


This is rather hyperbolic. The exclusionary rule has long had exceptions to it. So really what we're talking about is whether the Fourth Amendment has a new, big hole in it. I think it's pretty clear that the answer to that question is no. We can argue about the severity of the officer's misconduct (frankly, I agree with the Court that his misconduct was marginal at best), but the real linchpin of the opinion is the fact that the defendant had an outstanding warrant for his arrest. The Court makes this very clear. At most, what this case really stands for is that the existence of a preexisting arrest warrant can provide an exception to the exclusionary rule as long as long as the misconduct of the police is de minimis. All this really means is that dipshit criminals now need to make sure that they comply with existing governmental process burdens in addition to ensuring that they aren't doing something stupid like driving around with broken tail lights. I don't see this new opinion as being a particularly useful vehicle for abuse.

Again, first I would point out the large number of open arrest warrants in the country, most of which stems from small infractions like unpaid parking tickets, etc. In NYC, there's 1.2 million warrants, in Ferguson, there's ~33,000 open arrest warrants in a community of ~21,000.

There is a great deal of potential for abuse here. First, warrants tend to be heavily enforced in minority or poor neighborhoods where they can be aggressively pursued. This essentially opens the possibility of officers making routine stops without probable cause near or poor neighborhoods, demand ID, and search for a (probable) warrant, search, repeat.

It incentivizes shit like Stop and Frisk. That's why it's problematic and why Sotomayor's dissent is so compelling, because the argument that this is an "isolated" case deserves skepticism.

There isn't going to be much sympathy for people who ignore governmental process. And again, the mere existence of the arrest warrant does not guarantee the loophole for authorities to abuse. They still have to keep their hands clean (or mostly clean).
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 21 2016 21:16 GMT
#82077
On June 22 2016 05:35 SolaR- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 04:53 Doodsmack wrote:
I do believe Republicans shit the bed by losing to Trump's hostile takeover. I predicted very long ago that Trump and Hillary would be the nominees and Hillary would crush him. I would call myself a psychic if it wasn't so obvious that the tea party/Obama-is-a-Muslim wing of the Republican party would spell disaster.


You literally write the same non content shit over and over. Filled with i told you so crap and "that candidate is an idiot LOL".

I know this is a waste of a post, but this is like the 5th post in the last few pages by you that is just freaking annoying and stupid.


So you want Donald Trump to be commander in chief?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
June 21 2016 23:22 GMT
#82078
I can't believe Trump is threatening to not raise money for the party. This has officially entered into complete insanity. Is Trump just going to threaten every ally by ending treaties if they don't agree to trade tariffs? His idea of fair is complete madness. I think his idea of fair is complete surrender and subordination.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22681 Posts
June 21 2016 23:27 GMT
#82079
On June 22 2016 08:22 Mohdoo wrote:
I can't believe Trump is threatening to not raise money for the party. This has officially entered into complete insanity. Is Trump just going to threaten every ally by ending treaties if they don't agree to trade tariffs? His idea of fair is complete madness. I think his idea of fair is complete surrender and subordination.

Its a completely hollow threat if you consider how carefully he has been avoiding putting his own money at risk.

The money he has spend has been loans so he could claim it back at the end of the show. If he has to self fund he is going to have to spend a lot of his own money and he isnt going to recoup that.
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June 21 2016 23:56 GMT
#82080
On June 22 2016 04:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
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On June 22 2016 04:22 xDaunt wrote:
On June 22 2016 03:22 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Jesus fucking Christ.

The Supreme Court gutted the exclusionary rule and the Fourth Amendment yesterday.

what. the. fuck. 5-3. I mean, Breyer generally has a blindspot to these types of 4th Amendment cases, but what the flipping f' did they overturn the Utah SC decision.

Sotomayor's dissent is the only good things to come from this case. Why the crap...

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/14-1373_83i7.pdf

Page 14.

I don't see anything wrong with the opinion. Hell, it is so fact-specific that I have real trouble seeing how it will have any general applicability.



The decision effectively legalizes illegal searches. Normally, an illegal search means that the chain of events resulting from the search, INCLUDING the acquisition of the warrant that would be used to justify the search, is void/tainted. If he was not illegally stopped and asked for ID, then the officer would not have found the warrant that would justify the search for evidence, and could not have have justification for a more invasive search: the chain of events cannot occur without the search. That is fundamentally what the exclusionary rule is about.

It does require the officer be operating under "good faith" and only having conducted it out of "negligence", but honestly, the claim of negligence can be so readily used to justify almost any stop and readily used as cover for abuses of power, which is fundamentally what the Fourth Amendment is trying to protect us from.

Allowing "breaches of convenience" is a really bad idea here.


It's a massive loophole they've added to something that could've been uncontroversial (Utah SC ruled unanimously to strike down the evidence), though the Fourth has been worn down quite abit. But ARGH. All of the possibilities for police to target racial minorities and poor communities that this opens up.

It's times like this when I miss Scalia. He would've written a fiery dissent condemning the court for this.

This is still very hyperbolic just reading the actual text of the supreme court decision. You're all up in arms that he was stopped and questioned from a police tip and suspicion? I fully came into this expecting to read that there was no warrant, some kind of illegal search happened and the ended up inside the house. Identification to arrest for a pre-existing outstanding warrant? Come on, this is quite a clear chain of events that doesn't eviscerate the 4th amendment. I doubt Scalia would've found issue. His last one on 4th amendment completely hinged on no basis for belief of guilt of a crime beforehand.

The Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation was among the organizations breached by suspected Russian hackers in a dragnet of the U.S. political apparatus ahead of the November election, according to three people familiar with the matter.

The attacks on the foundation’s network, as well as those of the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, compound concerns about her digital security even as the FBI continues to investigate her use of a personal e-mail server while she was secretary of state.

Clinton Foundation officials said the organization hadn’t been notified of the breach and declined to comment further. The compromise of the foundation’s computers was first identified by government investigators as recently as last week, the people familiar with the matter said. Agents monitor servers used by hackers to communicate with their targets, giving them a back channel view of attacks, often even before the victims detect them. [...]

The thefts set the stage for what could be a Washington remake of the public shaming that shook Sony in 2014, when thousands of inflammatory internal e-mails filled with gossip about world leaders and Hollywood stars were made public. Donor information and opposition research on Trump purportedly stolen from the Democratic Party has surfaced online, and the culprit has threatened to publish thousands more documents.

This might be bad news for the Clinton Crime Family Foundation. On the other hand, I think Russia would prefer a Hillary in the white house given her previous state department softness on Russian aggression.
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