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NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
June 21 2016 13:21 GMT
#82021
On June 21 2016 21:58 Plansix wrote:
Jesus. I knew he had limited infrastructure, but I didn't think it was zero.

Isnt the republican party supposed to aid his campaign financially?
sorry for dem one liners
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21801 Posts
June 21 2016 13:27 GMT
#82022
On June 21 2016 22:21 NukeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 21:58 Plansix wrote:
Jesus. I knew he had limited infrastructure, but I didn't think it was zero.

Isnt the republican party supposed to aid his campaign financially?

They help, they normally don't have to do everything themselves. Which seems to be the case now.

It is normally the candidate themselves that has a large infrastructure set up, you know from running their primary campaign.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 21 2016 13:54 GMT
#82023
On June 21 2016 22:27 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 22:21 NukeD wrote:
On June 21 2016 21:58 Plansix wrote:
Jesus. I knew he had limited infrastructure, but I didn't think it was zero.

Isnt the republican party supposed to aid his campaign financially?

They help, they normally don't have to do everything themselves. Which seems to be the case now.

It is normally the candidate themselves that has a large infrastructure set up, you know from running their primary campaign.

That and the GOP has to help with all the state and local elections nationwide. Putting together a winning primary and general election team is part of the process of becoming president. The people who work on getting the president elected normally go on to become part of the administration. When the president gets to the White House, it doesn’t have any staff beyond the people who care for the White House itself.
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SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
June 21 2016 13:57 GMT
#82024
I'm sure trump will get the money from somewhere. People are overreacting in hysteria like usual.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 21 2016 14:00 GMT
#82025
The last time around Romney has 100 million cash on hand by this point. He was fully staffed up and ready to go. People are not being hysterical. This is comically bad.

That and the FEC filing of what Trump has spent his money on is hilarious.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
June 21 2016 14:04 GMT
#82026
On June 21 2016 23:00 Plansix wrote:
The last time around Romney has 100 million cash on hand by this point. He was fully staffed up and ready to go. People are not being hysterical. This is comically bad.

That and the FEC filing of what Trump has spent his money on is hilarious.


Why are we comparing tp Romney who pathetically failed? Money doesn't exclusively win you the election. I think trump proved that in the primaries. It builds into his narrative that "i perform the best and i spend the least".

The thing is he has access to money, whether directly from himself or his company or through potential donors. I wouldn't really call this a travesty yet.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15720 Posts
June 21 2016 14:10 GMT
#82027
On June 21 2016 23:00 Plansix wrote:
The last time around Romney has 100 million cash on hand by this point. He was fully staffed up and ready to go. People are not being hysterical. This is comically bad.

That and the FEC filing of what Trump has spent his money on is hilarious.


Can you elaborate on what he spent money on?
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
June 21 2016 14:13 GMT
#82028
On June 21 2016 23:04 SolaR- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 23:00 Plansix wrote:
The last time around Romney has 100 million cash on hand by this point. He was fully staffed up and ready to go. People are not being hysterical. This is comically bad.

That and the FEC filing of what Trump has spent his money on is hilarious.


Why are we comparing tp Romney who pathetically failed? Money doesn't exclusively win you the election. I think trump proved that in the primaries. It builds into his narrative that "i perform the best and i spend the least".

The thing is he has access to money, whether directly from himself or his company or through potential donors. I wouldn't really call this a travesty yet.


Don't belittle his campaign just because he lost. Remember that 59+ Million people voted for Romney despite him losing while only 54+ million people voted for reagan when he won against mondale. Obama just did better than Romney, that doesn't mean his campaign failed to perform.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 21 2016 14:20 GMT
#82029
On June 21 2016 23:10 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 23:00 Plansix wrote:
The last time around Romney has 100 million cash on hand by this point. He was fully staffed up and ready to go. People are not being hysterical. This is comically bad.

That and the FEC filing of what Trump has spent his money on is hilarious.


Can you elaborate on what he spent money on?


He spent money with an ad agency named after the one in Mad Men. He's paying himself a salary.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 21 2016 14:20 GMT
#82030
On June 21 2016 23:10 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 23:00 Plansix wrote:
The last time around Romney has 100 million cash on hand by this point. He was fully staffed up and ready to go. People are not being hysterical. This is comically bad.

That and the FEC filing of what Trump has spent his money on is hilarious.


Can you elaborate on what he spent money on?

There are a bunch of Trump related services, including Trump Quality Wine. 23K was paid to some company called wizbangsolution.com for “device services”. Their webpage was a joy to view. Just some real quality comedy.

But a ton of Trump related services and other services that he appears to own. I am sure people will dig into it more, but a lot of the money seems to go right into Trump business ventures.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15720 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 14:34:21
June 21 2016 14:25 GMT
#82031
On June 21 2016 23:20 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 23:10 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 21 2016 23:00 Plansix wrote:
The last time around Romney has 100 million cash on hand by this point. He was fully staffed up and ready to go. People are not being hysterical. This is comically bad.

That and the FEC filing of what Trump has spent his money on is hilarious.


Can you elaborate on what he spent money on?

There are a bunch of Trump related services, including Trump Quality Wine. 23K was paid to some company called wizbangsolution.com for “device services”. Their webpage was a joy to view. Just some real quality comedy.

But a ton of Trump related services and other services that he appears to own. I am sure people will dig into it more, but a lot of the money seems to go right into Trump business ventures.


........amazing.

On June 21 2016 23:13 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 23:04 SolaR- wrote:
On June 21 2016 23:00 Plansix wrote:
The last time around Romney has 100 million cash on hand by this point. He was fully staffed up and ready to go. People are not being hysterical. This is comically bad.

That and the FEC filing of what Trump has spent his money on is hilarious.


Why are we comparing tp Romney who pathetically failed? Money doesn't exclusively win you the election. I think trump proved that in the primaries. It builds into his narrative that "i perform the best and i spend the least".

The thing is he has access to money, whether directly from himself or his company or through potential donors. I wouldn't really call this a travesty yet.


Don't belittle his campaign just because he lost. Remember that 59+ Million people voted for Romney despite him losing while only 54+ million people voted for reagan when he won against mondale. Obama just did better than Romney, that doesn't mean his campaign failed to perform.


Its so weird seeing republicans demonize Romney. He was the party's hope at a future. But because he lost, it's as if he's a complete nobody. Imagine if the GOP fashioned itself after Romney. They'd probably be well positioned right now.
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 15:10:38
June 21 2016 14:35 GMT
#82032
On June 21 2016 23:13 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 23:04 SolaR- wrote:
On June 21 2016 23:00 Plansix wrote:
The last time around Romney has 100 million cash on hand by this point. He was fully staffed up and ready to go. People are not being hysterical. This is comically bad.

That and the FEC filing of what Trump has spent his money on is hilarious.


Why are we comparing tp Romney who pathetically failed? Money doesn't exclusively win you the election. I think trump proved that in the primaries. It builds into his narrative that "i perform the best and i spend the least".

The thing is he has access to money, whether directly from himself or his company or through potential donors. I wouldn't really call this a travesty yet.


Don't belittle his campaign just because he lost. Remember that 59+ Million people voted for Romney despite him losing while only 54+ million people voted for reagan when he won against mondale. Obama just did better than Romney, that doesn't mean his campaign failed to perform.


U.s population was significantly less in 1980 than today. Reagan did better percentage wise than Romney did. About a half percent better to be exact.

If you compare to the 1984 election, Reagan did 4.31% better than romney did in 2012.

On June 21 2016 23:25 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 23:13 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On June 21 2016 23:04 SolaR- wrote:
On June 21 2016 23:00 Plansix wrote:
The last time around Romney has 100 million cash on hand by this point. He was fully staffed up and ready to go. People are not being hysterical. This is comically bad.

That and the FEC filing of what Trump has spent his money on is hilarious.


Why are we comparing tp Romney who pathetically failed? Money doesn't exclusively win you the election. I think trump proved that in the primaries. It builds into his narrative that "i perform the best and i spend the least".

The thing is he has access to money, whether directly from himself or his company or through potential donors. I wouldn't really call this a travesty yet.


Don't belittle his campaign just because he lost. Remember that 59+ Million people voted for Romney despite him losing while only 54+ million people voted for reagan when he won against mondale. Obama just did better than Romney, that doesn't mean his campaign failed to perform.


Its so weird seeing republicans demonize Romney. He was the party's hope at a future. But because he lost, it's as if he's a complete nobody. Imagine if the GOP fashioned itself after Romney. They'd probably be well positioned right now.


I wouldn't consider myself strictly republican. I always hated Romney and voted for Gary Johnson the last election.

Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15720 Posts
June 21 2016 15:21 GMT
#82033
Bernie is playing this thing really, really poorly. He is almost entirely irrelevant at this point. Clinton machine going about its business and absolutely wiping the floor with Trump. I really wish he would integrate himself. He needed Trump to be somewhat viable.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 16:20:06
June 21 2016 16:17 GMT
#82034
On June 21 2016 14:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 14:22 Doodsmack wrote:
I almost just want to laugh in the face of anyone who still supports Trump at this point.

#FreeTheDelegates


I wish I could say the same about you but from my perspective it's unfortunately just sad rather than funny.


So you want Donald Trump, the Apprentice Mentor himself to be commander in chief? Ah, so you're an immigration voter? LOL I'd bet $50 right now that you care most about immigration w/r/t Trump. That's all Trumpkins have to go on. Just lol at the notion you want him to be commander in chief. He's not even an impressive businessman.

I am going to have a LOT of fun rubbing in Trump's loss in November (and for 6 months after that).

User was temp banned for this post.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 21 2016 16:34 GMT
#82035
On June 21 2016 23:13 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 23:04 SolaR- wrote:
On June 21 2016 23:00 Plansix wrote:
The last time around Romney has 100 million cash on hand by this point. He was fully staffed up and ready to go. People are not being hysterical. This is comically bad.

That and the FEC filing of what Trump has spent his money on is hilarious.


Why are we comparing tp Romney who pathetically failed? Money doesn't exclusively win you the election. I think trump proved that in the primaries. It builds into his narrative that "i perform the best and i spend the least".

The thing is he has access to money, whether directly from himself or his company or through potential donors. I wouldn't really call this a travesty yet.


Don't belittle his campaign just because he lost. Remember that 59+ Million people voted for Romney despite him losing while only 54+ million people voted for reagan when he won against mondale. Obama just did better than Romney, that doesn't mean his campaign failed to perform.
It's the electoral college system in this republic. Reagan won twice as many states for two and a half times Romneys count of electors. False historical comparisons aside, Trump better lay the foundation for a national campaign and raise enough dough to make even a shoestring budget hold. He can't ride the free press train forever in battleground states.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 21 2016 16:39 GMT
#82036
Trump is breaking all the rules, including the one about no such thing as bad press
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42983 Posts
June 21 2016 16:45 GMT
#82037
On June 22 2016 01:17 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 14:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 21 2016 14:22 Doodsmack wrote:
I almost just want to laugh in the face of anyone who still supports Trump at this point.

#FreeTheDelegates


I wish I could say the same about you but from my perspective it's unfortunately just sad rather than funny.


So you want Donald Trump, the Apprentice Mentor himself to be commander in chief? Ah, so you're an immigration voter? LOL I'd bet $50 right now that you care most about immigration w/r/t Trump. That's all Trumpkins have to go on. Just lol at the notion you want him to be commander in chief. He's not even an impressive businessman.

I am going to have a LOT of fun rubbing in Trump's loss in November (and for 6 months after that).

These are the kind of high quality posts that got the topic locked.
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CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 17:09:58
June 21 2016 17:09 GMT
#82038
On June 21 2016 23:20 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 23:10 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 21 2016 23:00 Plansix wrote:
The last time around Romney has 100 million cash on hand by this point. He was fully staffed up and ready to go. People are not being hysterical. This is comically bad.

That and the FEC filing of what Trump has spent his money on is hilarious.


Can you elaborate on what he spent money on?

There are a bunch of Trump related services, including Trump Quality Wine. 23K was paid to some company called wizbangsolution.com for “device services”. Their webpage was a joy to view. Just some real quality comedy.

But a ton of Trump related services and other services that he appears to own. I am sure people will dig into it more, but a lot of the money seems to go right into Trump business ventures.


It keeps getting better. Reporters fund presidential campaign trips. "Most Americans don’t know that reporters finance the bulk of presidential candidates’ campaign travel, by buying seats on the candidate’s charter plane." Trump is flying to Scotland to be there for a ribbon cutting ceremony on one of his properties. Trump is selling tickets on his charter plane for $10,000 a piece to reporters to go watch him to generate Trump stories. The entire scampaign is just a ruse to make some cash and build his brand.

"Cost to reporters: $10,000 round trip, plus hotel and restaurant bills, which will probably be racked up at the two Trump-themed venues they’ll be visiting — if anyone signs up."

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/will-reporters-pay-for-donald-trumps-scotland-trip/
Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 21 2016 17:22 GMT
#82039
On June 22 2016 02:09 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 23:20 Plansix wrote:
On June 21 2016 23:10 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 21 2016 23:00 Plansix wrote:
The last time around Romney has 100 million cash on hand by this point. He was fully staffed up and ready to go. People are not being hysterical. This is comically bad.

That and the FEC filing of what Trump has spent his money on is hilarious.


Can you elaborate on what he spent money on?

There are a bunch of Trump related services, including Trump Quality Wine. 23K was paid to some company called wizbangsolution.com for “device services”. Their webpage was a joy to view. Just some real quality comedy.

But a ton of Trump related services and other services that he appears to own. I am sure people will dig into it more, but a lot of the money seems to go right into Trump business ventures.


It keeps getting better. Reporters fund presidential campaign trips. "Most Americans don’t know that reporters finance the bulk of presidential candidates’ campaign travel, by buying seats on the candidate’s charter plane." Trump is flying to Scotland to be there for a ribbon cutting ceremony on one of his properties. Trump is selling tickets on his charter plane for $10,000 a piece to reporters to go watch him to generate Trump stories. The entire scampaign is just a ruse to make some cash and build his brand.

"Cost to reporters: $10,000 round trip, plus hotel and restaurant bills, which will probably be racked up at the two Trump-themed venues they’ll be visiting — if anyone signs up."

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/will-reporters-pay-for-donald-trumps-scotland-trip/


Still, he's loaned his campaign about 40m. Nickel and diming reporters isn't going to make him whole.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 21 2016 17:28 GMT
#82040
If he starts collecting more public funds, we are going to get into this ethically gray area where he is sending campaign donations to his own businesses for services. I am sure the FEC is not excited about digging into that mine field.
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