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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 03:39:03
June 21 2016 03:38 GMT
#81981
Ban all those from the UK, deport them now!

A British man has been detained and charged with attempting to seize a police officer’s gun at a Las Vegas rally in order to commit an act of violence against Donald Trump, authorities said on Monday.

Michael Steven Sandford was arrested at the Saturday rally after grabbing at the holster and handle of a gun at the hip of a Las Vegas police officer who was providing security at the event for the presumptive Republican nominee.

A federal magistrate on Monday found that Sandford was “a danger to the community and a risk of non-appearance” and ordered that he be held without bail, according to a spokesperson for the Department of Justice, who also confirmed that Sandford is a British citizen.

A spokesperson for Britain’s Foreign and Commonwealth Office said: “We are providing assistance following the arrest of a British national in Las Vegas.” British authorities are understood to have become involved on Sunday.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23931 Posts
June 21 2016 03:48 GMT
#81982
On June 21 2016 12:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Ban all those from the UK, deport them now!

Show nested quote +
A British man has been detained and charged with attempting to seize a police officer’s gun at a Las Vegas rally in order to commit an act of violence against Donald Trump, authorities said on Monday.

Michael Steven Sandford was arrested at the Saturday rally after grabbing at the holster and handle of a gun at the hip of a Las Vegas police officer who was providing security at the event for the presumptive Republican nominee.

A federal magistrate on Monday found that Sandford was “a danger to the community and a risk of non-appearance” and ordered that he be held without bail, according to a spokesperson for the Department of Justice, who also confirmed that Sandford is a British citizen.

A spokesperson for Britain’s Foreign and Commonwealth Office said: “We are providing assistance following the arrest of a British national in Las Vegas.” British authorities are understood to have become involved on Sunday.


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I can think of one in particular that could get a petition going pretty quick to send em back

Hint: + Show Spoiler +
Starts with a k and ends with a k.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 21 2016 04:09 GMT
#81983
On June 21 2016 11:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
New wildfires erupted Monday in southern California and chased people from their homes as an intensifying heatwave stretching from the west coast to New Mexico blistered the region.

Towering columns of smoke rose from the San Gabriel mountains behind Los Angeles as the fires several miles apart devoured hundreds of acres of brush on steep slopes above foothill suburbs.

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“It’s crazy. It’s super close,” said 17-year-old Tawni Atencio, whose family was evacuating their home in Bradbury.

She said the flames were just a couple miles away and were making the house hot despite air conditioning. She watched as smoke from the fire billowed outside and helicopters dropped retardant on the flames.

“It looked like a bomb exploded,” she said. “It’s scary. We’re just praying it doesn’t get to our house.”

The two fires had grown to a combined five square miles. The first and largest of the two was sparked by a car accident, the California Highway Patrol said.

Helicopters sucked water out of a reservoir to drop on flames while air tankers bombarded the flanks of the fire with retardant.

Officials had warned of extreme fire danger in the region as the heatwave peaked. Temperatures surpassed 100 degrees across much of southern California well before noon, while some desert cities sizzled in the 120s.


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I was a couple miles away working when I saw the smoke. Very majestic. It covered the sky.

On June 21 2016 12:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Ban all those from the UK, deport them now!

Show nested quote +
A British man has been detained and charged with attempting to seize a police officer’s gun at a Las Vegas rally in order to commit an act of violence against Donald Trump, authorities said on Monday.

Michael Steven Sandford was arrested at the Saturday rally after grabbing at the holster and handle of a gun at the hip of a Las Vegas police officer who was providing security at the event for the presumptive Republican nominee.

A federal magistrate on Monday found that Sandford was “a danger to the community and a risk of non-appearance” and ordered that he be held without bail, according to a spokesperson for the Department of Justice, who also confirmed that Sandford is a British citizen.

A spokesperson for Britain’s Foreign and Commonwealth Office said: “We are providing assistance following the arrest of a British national in Las Vegas.” British authorities are understood to have become involved on Sunday.


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Silly protester! Gun confiscation is government on citizens, not citizens on cops!
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14113 Posts
June 21 2016 04:14 GMT
#81984
I've always wondered why they don't add coloring to intentionally set fires to calm people who see them in the distance.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 21 2016 04:51 GMT
#81985
On June 21 2016 11:34 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 11:13 Introvert wrote:
Trump has <1.3 million in cash on hand. lol. The most amazing of dumpster fires.

http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00580100/1079423/

The deal maker can't even raise money for am election. It's almost like he's a con artist and was lying the who time.


I don't think you can be a bigger con artist and liar than Hillary Clinton.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 04:58:19
June 21 2016 04:52 GMT
#81986
On June 21 2016 12:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Ban all those from the UK, deport them now!

Show nested quote +
A British man has been detained and charged with attempting to seize a police officer’s gun at a Las Vegas rally in order to commit an act of violence against Donald Trump, authorities said on Monday.

Michael Steven Sandford was arrested at the Saturday rally after grabbing at the holster and handle of a gun at the hip of a Las Vegas police officer who was providing security at the event for the presumptive Republican nominee.

A federal magistrate on Monday found that Sandford was “a danger to the community and a risk of non-appearance” and ordered that he be held without bail, according to a spokesperson for the Department of Justice, who also confirmed that Sandford is a British citizen.

A spokesperson for Britain’s Foreign and Commonwealth Office said: “We are providing assistance following the arrest of a British national in Las Vegas.” British authorities are understood to have become involved on Sunday.


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I don't think the UK advocates for oppression of women, killing of gays, execution of apostates leaving the country, etc etc etc.

Islam has a history of violence and oppression, especially in islamic countries in the middle east where it is the rule of the land. It is unique among religions because it advocates for the overthrow of any government not compatible with Islam.

I don't have faith in our ability to screen refugees and immigrants when Hillary wants to bring in an additional 65,000 of them from Syria.

Also Trump isn't advocating we deport muslims who are already American Citizens, just illegal aliens.
JumboJohnson
Profile Joined December 2011
537 Posts
June 21 2016 04:59 GMT
#81987
No just to not let them back if they travel.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 05:15:15
June 21 2016 05:10 GMT
#81988
On June 21 2016 13:51 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 11:34 Plansix wrote:
On June 21 2016 11:13 Introvert wrote:
Trump has <1.3 million in cash on hand. lol. The most amazing of dumpster fires.

http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00580100/1079423/

The deal maker can't even raise money for am election. It's almost like he's a con artist and was lying the who time.


I don't think you can be a bigger con artist and liar than Hillary Clinton.

Can you substantiate your assertion that Hillary Clinton is a "con artist"? Also, that that descriptor suits her better than Trump?

(I won't debate "liar", although I think that describes pretty much every prominent politician.)

EDIT: Alternatively, you can pass on this question if you think that conversation will just be a shitshow, which it probably will be. If you make an assertion like this, though, you have to expect to be called on it.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 21 2016 05:22 GMT
#81989
I almost just want to laugh in the face of anyone who still supports Trump at this point.

#FreeTheDelegates
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 21 2016 05:26 GMT
#81990
On June 21 2016 14:22 Doodsmack wrote:
I almost just want to laugh in the face of anyone who still supports Trump at this point.

#FreeTheDelegates


I wish I could say the same about you but from my perspective it's unfortunately just sad rather than funny.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 21 2016 05:30 GMT
#81991
On June 21 2016 13:51 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 11:34 Plansix wrote:
On June 21 2016 11:13 Introvert wrote:
Trump has <1.3 million in cash on hand. lol. The most amazing of dumpster fires.

http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00580100/1079423/

The deal maker can't even raise money for am election. It's almost like he's a con artist and was lying the who time.


I don't think you can be a bigger con artist and liar than Hillary Clinton.


Based on Trump's trajectory this week, you better get used to saying President Hillary Clinton.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 05:37:05
June 21 2016 05:34 GMT
#81992
On June 21 2016 14:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 13:51 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 21 2016 11:34 Plansix wrote:
On June 21 2016 11:13 Introvert wrote:
Trump has <1.3 million in cash on hand. lol. The most amazing of dumpster fires.

http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00580100/1079423/

The deal maker can't even raise money for am election. It's almost like he's a con artist and was lying the who time.


I don't think you can be a bigger con artist and liar than Hillary Clinton.


Based on Trump's trajectory this week, you better get used to saying President Hillary Clinton.


I've got my money on Trump but it wouldn't be the end of the world if he lost.

I'm not going to threaten to move to Canada or anything because that's just absurd.

(just to clarify, I'm not saying moving to Canada is absurd. You've gotta clarify this stuff these days for those comprehension-challenged)
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
June 21 2016 06:02 GMT
#81993
On June 21 2016 14:34 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 14:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
On June 21 2016 13:51 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 21 2016 11:34 Plansix wrote:
On June 21 2016 11:13 Introvert wrote:
Trump has <1.3 million in cash on hand. lol. The most amazing of dumpster fires.

http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00580100/1079423/

The deal maker can't even raise money for am election. It's almost like he's a con artist and was lying the who time.


I don't think you can be a bigger con artist and liar than Hillary Clinton.


Based on Trump's trajectory this week, you better get used to saying President Hillary Clinton.


I've got my money on Trump but it wouldn't be the end of the world if he lost.

I'm not going to threaten to move to Canada or anything because that's just absurd.

(just to clarify, I'm not saying moving to Canada is absurd. You've gotta clarify this stuff these days for those comprehension-challenged)

She's a worse neo-con than McCain, there would be almost certain escalation of the conflict in Syria and Libya which puts a direct conflict with Russia on the table.
She didn't get paid 30+ million dollars by wahabbi arabs to bring peace to that part of the World.
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
JW_DTLA
Profile Joined December 2015
242 Posts
June 21 2016 06:51 GMT
#81994
I don't buy the argument that HRC is more of an interventionist than the Bush2 admin. Sure, more than Obama. But HRC won't have the Republican congress signing off on Trillion Dollar Wars anytime soon. There is a significant middle ground between Bush2-style unlimited occupations that take the whole USA military and the light touch drone+special warfare operations of Obama.
Ravianna26
Profile Joined March 2013
United States44 Posts
June 21 2016 06:55 GMT
#81995
Crooked Hillary is the worst candidate the Democrats have ever nominated so it'll either be a close election that could go either way or Donald Trump will be elected in a landslide.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 07:09:01
June 21 2016 07:05 GMT
#81996
The only reason Hillary won't do that is because of how expensive it is and because of how badly the public will look upon it. She literally can't be an interventionist now. The way the public is now.. would they ever support another war again without some massive attack or Israeli false flag like the Lavon Affair?? It's interesting that females can now be drafted for the war but it seems unlikely to ever be used the way the left is pushing things. I suppose she could send X amount of troops, but nothing to the levels that Bush sent. Though, that many aren't needed today for what the USA's current perceived goals are I think.

If she were in Bushes shoes after 911, she would have jumped all over Iraq. They were supposed to take out multiple countries in the region and have the conflicts spill over to make the mess we see today. Iran was supposed to be the last one to fall because it's the hardest to strike due to it's high population and mountainous terrain.

Hillary wants to flatten pretty much everything that is not Israel and to make it clear that Iran, SA, and Egypt should not be going for nuclear capabilities. Well, not flatten. But control. A decade or so ago they were beating the war drum for Iran and tested out how the public would feel about it with Ahmadinejad but the public didn't bite hard enough. I know Iran was supposed to be the last of the countries to fall on the list though.

- Protection of the petrodollar
- Israel must retain it's nuclear monopoly
- The Qatar - Iraq - Turkey Pipeline wants to be built/secured. This will undercut Russias oil market within the EU. Hence why Russia was all, "lulz gonna bring in a badass ship and S-400's to ruin everyone's plans"
- US is happy to fund Islamic extremists to cause problems for Assad

SA wants to prop up a Wahabbi regime in Syria and Turkey wants the Syrian chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood to take Assads place.

+ Show Spoiler +
And to the above as much as I like peppering the countries with a bit of nationalism and anti-PC, I find it hard to believe Donald will be elected. There are just so many uninformed people that are just blurting, 'omg racism hitler sexist'. The media has him branded and people who align themselves with him are now evil, thus they can be attacked.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 21 2016 07:06 GMT
#81997
On June 21 2016 15:51 JW_DTLA wrote:
But HRC won't have the Republican congress signing off on Trillion Dollar Wars anytime soon.

How do you figure? There's been plenty of precedent of Hillary breaking rank and siding with the Republicans against the Democrats in her support of traditionally Republican policies. Trade agreements, for example.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
JW_DTLA
Profile Joined December 2015
242 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 07:14:04
June 21 2016 07:10 GMT
#81998
On June 21 2016 16:06 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 15:51 JW_DTLA wrote:
But HRC won't have the Republican congress signing off on Trillion Dollar Wars anytime soon.

How do you figure? There's been plenty of precedent of Hillary breaking rank and siding with the Republicans against the Democrats in her support of traditionally Republican policies. Trade agreements, for example.


Post Obama Democrats are different if you haven't noticed. Check out the Bernie movement. Check out the Obama national security guys who have grave suspicions about intervention. HRC will be operating within that environment (Obamaites, Berners, Republican Congress). Simply put, it isn't the 90s anymore. Liberals aren't in hiding from the shadow of Reagan and clinging to Bill's third way business. I get that HRC would be more likely to launch limited interventions than Obama (see, internal Libya/Syrian debate within the Obama admin). But that is still a long way from Bush2 era radicalism.

EDIT: the real question is Syria and Assad. Obama has held his fire, wisely, and against the protestations of the Republican peanut gallery. Would HRC reverse this? Someone should ask her. I think this is a question mark, not a definitive either way.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 07:16:52
June 21 2016 07:16 GMT
#81999
On June 21 2016 16:10 JW_DTLA wrote:
EDIT: the real question is Syria and Assad. Obama has held his fire, wisely, and against the protestations of the Republican peanut gallery. Would HRC reverse this? Someone should ask her. I think this is a question mark, not a definitive either way.


Why in your view is that wise? (I don't mean to come off and say that it's unwise or assert that it's not, just curious). What are the advantages to Obama holding his fire there and allowing Russia to intervene on US interests in the ME?
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
June 21 2016 07:22 GMT
#82000
Peter Thiel reelected to Facebook's board of directors

Peter Thiel made his fortune as a co-founder of PayPal and early investor in Facebook. In recent weeks he has found himself at the center of a debate over the influence money can have on journalism, and by extension, free speech. Thiel paid the lawyer who worked for Hulk Hogan in his suit against Gawker Media, eventually winning a massive judgement that led Gawker to declare bankruptcy. Thiel acknowledged the vendetta, which stems from a Gawker story published a decade earlier that outed him as gay, something Thiel wanted to keep private, or at least, out of the press.

Thiel had been funding the lawsuit anonymously against Gawker Media. In fact, he paid the lawyer to litigate several cases, of which the Hogan case was simply the most successful. He has also made a name for himself as an advocate for an offshore libertarian state, a singularity university funder, and Donald Trump delegate.

Like many other companies in Silicon Valley, Facebook has multiple classes of shares, only some of which are available to the public for purchase. That means that founder Mark Zuckerberg and other members of the board essentially have unilateral control on all votes, as their shares weigh far more heavily in the final tally. All that means is that, unless public outrage over Thiel's actions against Gawker grows far stronger, his seat on the board of the social network site is likely safe.

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