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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 20 2016 22:14 GMT
#81941
On June 21 2016 07:06 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 07:05 Plansix wrote:
On June 21 2016 07:03 oneofthem wrote:
On June 21 2016 07:01 Plansix wrote:
On June 21 2016 06:58 oneofthem wrote:
On June 21 2016 06:48 Surth wrote:
Simberto:
Yes? It sounds like you're agreeing with me? I am in favor of legalizing drugs, and i am definitely and strongly in favor of ending the war on drugs. My point is merely that the underlying problem is never drugs but what turns people into addicts, and that society at large still has no fucking clue of why people become addicted. Read up on Milner/Olds and then on stoicism and you'll see what i mean not that i'm a stoicist, they were kinda dumb.

Oneofthem: I took your "lack of nuance" to refer to the tweet. Did you refer to something else or are you just being purposefully thick right now? You were criticizing a post on twitter, a platform that limits you to 140 characters, for not being nuanced, correct?

did you read the tweet? are you serious

I am with him on this. Twitter is not the place for any sort of complex discourse and complaining about a tweet being a big over-simplistic is pretty silly. If you then provided a more detailed break down of their beliefs on teh subject, then we would have something to talk about. But its just a tweet. And by their nature, they are all sort of shit.

did you read the tweet? are you serious?

Yeah, I read the tweet. Its dumb, but so is all of twitter in general. Do you have anything else beyond "This tweet by the Bernie supporters is so stupid"? That isn't really a great discussion to be had.

can you tell me what the tweet says? then i can bold the part you need to read.

let me help you out, it's something like "It's now in the Iowa Democrat platform"

Yes, and if you search those words on google, the only thing you find is that tweet and some reddit shit about that tweet. That twitter accounts isn't even verified and has 11K followers. Why do we care about it again?
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-20 22:25:11
June 20 2016 22:15 GMT
#81942
holy shit it's not hte fucking tweet that's the problem, it's the iowa democratic party platform line 630 plank 293 reading "LEGALIZE ALL DRUGS" in the years 2016-2018. it's the literal wording of their insertion.

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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 20 2016 22:16 GMT
#81943
Is that happening? Do you have anything else beyond that tweet saying that is the case?
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-20 22:20:37
June 20 2016 22:17 GMT
#81944
yea it's happening lmfao



and if you don't believe what the tweeter said go ask the bernie hamsters.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-20 22:23:17
June 20 2016 22:17 GMT
#81945
So it's begun...

I was wondering how long it was going to take before people actually started trying to assassinate the man after hearing the MSM call him Hitler for a year.


LAS VEGAS (AP) — A man arrested at a Donald Trump rally in Las Vegas told authorities he tried to grab an officer’s gun so he could kill the candidate, according to federal authorities.

A complaint filed Monday in U.S. District Court in Nevada charges Michael Steven Sandford with an act of violence on restricted grounds. He’s expected to appear in court on Monday afternoon.

Authorities said Sandford went to a Trump rally on Saturday at the Treasure Island Casino and approached a Las Vegas police officer to say he wanted an autograph from Trump. The report says Sandford grabbed the handle of an officer’s gun in an attempt to remove it, and was arrested.


http://regated.com/2016/06/breaking-man-tried-grab-gun-kill-donald-trump-vegas-rally/
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-20 22:41:40
June 20 2016 22:20 GMT
#81946
Waste of time, nevermind.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 20 2016 22:21 GMT
#81947
Does anyone know how binding that is or if the candidates are required to run on those issues specifically and cannot walk them back if they are not viable?
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22005 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-20 22:27:22
June 20 2016 22:25 GMT
#81948
On June 21 2016 07:21 Plansix wrote:
Does anyone know how binding that is or if the candidates are required to run on those issues specifically and cannot walk them back if they are not viable?

I'm going to take a wild stab and say that a political platform is not binding in any way, shape or form.

First google hit
So nope they are a marketing and promotional piece purely.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 20 2016 22:26 GMT
#81949
it probably is not binding but line 630 plank 293, look for it, will help your down ballot races a whole lot when the gop may have it on blast.

We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 20 2016 22:28 GMT
#81950
Do we know if their platform is free of really silly stuff? Because I bet this is a glass houses situation and the little attempt by the Bernie supporters doesn't matter at all.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45176 Posts
June 20 2016 22:28 GMT
#81951
On June 21 2016 07:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
So it's begun...

I was wondering how long it was going to take before people actually started trying to assassinate the man after hearing the MSM call him Hitler for a year.

Show nested quote +

LAS VEGAS (AP) — A man arrested at a Donald Trump rally in Las Vegas told authorities he tried to grab an officer’s gun so he could kill the candidate, according to federal authorities.

A complaint filed Monday in U.S. District Court in Nevada charges Michael Steven Sandford with an act of violence on restricted grounds. He’s expected to appear in court on Monday afternoon.

Authorities said Sandford went to a Trump rally on Saturday at the Treasure Island Casino and approached a Las Vegas police officer to say he wanted an autograph from Trump. The report says Sandford grabbed the handle of an officer’s gun in an attempt to remove it, and was arrested.


http://regated.com/2016/06/breaking-man-tried-grab-gun-kill-donald-trump-vegas-rally/


I'm glad that nothing actually happened, but I'm kind of surprised that someone didn't just legally obtain a firearm, since it's a lot less risky than trying to steal one from a cop.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 20 2016 22:31 GMT
#81952
On June 21 2016 07:28 Plansix wrote:
Do we know if their platform is free of really silly stuff? Because I bet this is a glass houses situation and the little attempt by the Bernie supporters doesn't matter at all.

https://www.iowagop.org/about/platform/
very short, general and simple.

democrats apparently believe in some direct democracy stuff and this is what you get
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-20 22:39:51
June 20 2016 22:32 GMT
#81953
On June 21 2016 07:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 07:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
So it's begun...

I was wondering how long it was going to take before people actually started trying to assassinate the man after hearing the MSM call him Hitler for a year.


LAS VEGAS (AP) — A man arrested at a Donald Trump rally in Las Vegas told authorities he tried to grab an officer’s gun so he could kill the candidate, according to federal authorities.

A complaint filed Monday in U.S. District Court in Nevada charges Michael Steven Sandford with an act of violence on restricted grounds. He’s expected to appear in court on Monday afternoon.

Authorities said Sandford went to a Trump rally on Saturday at the Treasure Island Casino and approached a Las Vegas police officer to say he wanted an autograph from Trump. The report says Sandford grabbed the handle of an officer’s gun in an attempt to remove it, and was arrested.


http://regated.com/2016/06/breaking-man-tried-grab-gun-kill-donald-trump-vegas-rally/


I'm glad that nothing actually happened, but I'm kind of surprised that someone didn't just legally obtain a firearm, since it's a lot less risky than trying to steal one from a cop.


The guy's stupid enough to go through with this he obviously was too stupid to research that you usually have to press a button to release a cop's weapon from their holster.

Also here's the full description from http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/fbi-releases-transcripts-911-calls-orlando-massacre-n595626 regarding the Police Department's crisis team's conversation with Omar.

In these calls, the shooter, who identified himself as an Islamic soldier, told the crisis negotiator that he was the person who pledged his allegiance to [omitted], and told the negotiator to tell America to stop bombing Syria and Iraq and that is why he was "out here right now." When the crisis negotiator asked the shooter what he had done, the shooter stated, "No, you already know what I did." The shooter continued, stating, "There is some vehicle outside that has some bombs, just to let you know. You people are gonna get it, and I'm gonna ignite it if they try to do anything stupid." Later in the call with the crisis negotiator, the shooter stated that he had a vest, and further described it as the kind they "used in France." The shooter later stated, "In the next few days, you're going to see more of this type of action going on." The shooter hung up and multiple attempts to get in touch with him were unsuccessful.


LONE WOLF!

Meanwhile, NBC News has learned that, so far, federal investigators following Mateen's paper trail have found no evidence to back up claims that the gunman had ever been inside Pulse or any of gay nightclub in Orlando before the June 12 mass shooting.

What they have found, sources told NBC, is that the married Mateen recently used websites to get dates with women — not men.

Noor Salman has told investigators she once drove her husband to Pulse so he could scope it out and regulars at the nightclub have reported seeing him there.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5786 Posts
June 20 2016 22:32 GMT
#81954
On June 21 2016 07:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 07:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
So it's begun...

I was wondering how long it was going to take before people actually started trying to assassinate the man after hearing the MSM call him Hitler for a year.


LAS VEGAS (AP) — A man arrested at a Donald Trump rally in Las Vegas told authorities he tried to grab an officer’s gun so he could kill the candidate, according to federal authorities.

A complaint filed Monday in U.S. District Court in Nevada charges Michael Steven Sandford with an act of violence on restricted grounds. He’s expected to appear in court on Monday afternoon.

Authorities said Sandford went to a Trump rally on Saturday at the Treasure Island Casino and approached a Las Vegas police officer to say he wanted an autograph from Trump. The report says Sandford grabbed the handle of an officer’s gun in an attempt to remove it, and was arrested.


http://regated.com/2016/06/breaking-man-tried-grab-gun-kill-donald-trump-vegas-rally/


I'm glad that nothing actually happened, but I'm kind of surprised that someone didn't just legally obtain a firearm, since it's a lot less risky than trying to steal one from a cop.

Since Trump is under Secret Service protection, guns are prohibited at rallies.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45176 Posts
June 20 2016 23:00 GMT
#81955
On June 21 2016 07:32 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 07:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On June 21 2016 07:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
So it's begun...

I was wondering how long it was going to take before people actually started trying to assassinate the man after hearing the MSM call him Hitler for a year.


LAS VEGAS (AP) — A man arrested at a Donald Trump rally in Las Vegas told authorities he tried to grab an officer’s gun so he could kill the candidate, according to federal authorities.

A complaint filed Monday in U.S. District Court in Nevada charges Michael Steven Sandford with an act of violence on restricted grounds. He’s expected to appear in court on Monday afternoon.

Authorities said Sandford went to a Trump rally on Saturday at the Treasure Island Casino and approached a Las Vegas police officer to say he wanted an autograph from Trump. The report says Sandford grabbed the handle of an officer’s gun in an attempt to remove it, and was arrested.


http://regated.com/2016/06/breaking-man-tried-grab-gun-kill-donald-trump-vegas-rally/


I'm glad that nothing actually happened, but I'm kind of surprised that someone didn't just legally obtain a firearm, since it's a lot less risky than trying to steal one from a cop.

Since Trump is under Secret Service protection, guns are prohibited at rallies.


Ah I didn't know that was a law/ regulation. Thanks
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23515 Posts
June 20 2016 23:01 GMT
#81956
On June 21 2016 07:26 oneofthem wrote:
it probably is not binding but line 630 plank 293, look for it, will help your down ballot races a whole lot when the gop may have it on blast.



lol I love that drug legalization on a state platform is more of a concern than Kissinger as a FP adviser, well, because independent voters really don't like drugs.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22005 Posts
June 20 2016 23:12 GMT
#81957
On June 21 2016 08:01 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 07:26 oneofthem wrote:
it probably is not binding but line 630 plank 293, look for it, will help your down ballot races a whole lot when the gop may have it on blast.



lol I love that drug legalization on a state platform is more of a concern than Kissinger as a FP adviser, well, because independent voters really don't like drugs.


No one here is actually concerned because party platforms mean nothing in the end but more people being saddened by another thoughtless and pointless move from the Berniebro's.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 20 2016 23:16 GMT
#81958
kissinger's moral and personal failings dont change the fact that he's one of the most knowledgeable and experienced foreign policy experts in the world with a pretty unique perspective. having access to that perspective, among many others, is quite valuable id imagine.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 20 2016 23:26 GMT
#81959
Senate Republicans denying a bill to restrict those on the terror watch list (~5k Americans) from buying guns. Have they lost their minds?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 20 2016 23:29 GMT
#81960
Donald Trump's proposed plans to cut taxes, engage in trade wars, and deport millions of undocumented immigrants would hurt the U.S. economy and send the country into a recession, according to new report by Moody's Analytics.

Economists reviewed Trump's proposed tax cuts for individuals and businesses, his calls to deport undocumented immigrants and build a southern border wall, and his threats to impose large tariffs on goods imported from China and Mexico.

The analysis found that if all of Trump's proposals were implemented, "the economy suffers a lengthy recession and is smaller at the end of his four-year term than when he took office."

"The upshot of Mr. Trump’s economic policy positions under almost any scenario is that the U.S. economy will be more isolated and diminished," the report reads.

The economists drew four basic conclusions about the impact of Trump's plans: a less global economy, larger government debt, a weaker economy with higher unemployment, and benefits mostly for high-income Americans.

Trump has proposed significant tax cuts without proposing spending cuts to offset the reduced revenue, which the Moody's report found would cause interest rates to rise and weaken the economy. The analysis also found that high-income households would benefit most from Trump's economic plan.

"Everyone receives a tax cut under his proposals, but the bulk of the cuts would go to those at the very top of the income distribution, and the job losses resulting from his other policies would likely hit lower- and middle-income households the hardest," the report reads.

The presumptive Republican presidential nominee's immigration and trade proposals would result in "a smaller economy and higher inflation," according to the report.


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