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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
the rest of your post is just bad. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Trump down to 28 paid staffers? "I regret sending out a tweet today alluding to the firing of Corey Lewandowski. In hindsight, that was too exuberant a reaction to this personnel move. I know this is a distraction from the kind of campaign you want to run, so I'm resigning my position as director of communications for caucus operations at the 2016 Republican Convention. Let's make this immediate," Caputo wrote in a letter to campaign chairman Paul Manafort and Rick Gates, according to a copy obtained by CNN. Caputo also said he deeply respects Trump as well as Manafort and Gates. "I wish you success in the months ahead. I continue to believe Donald Trump must be elected President in November. With you at the helm, I know he can. Call if I can help," he said. Damn that shade. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11507 Posts
On June 21 2016 04:29 Surth wrote: I was going to respond to this in more detail, but notice that nettles and solar are in favor of drug legalization despite the fact that i almost constantly disagree with them, whereas plansix seems to be in agreement with you despite the fact that he and i probably align a lot more closely in general. My point was merely to show that almost everything that is argued to be "totally obvious man, open your eyes, how could anyone argue against this!" in this thread is not, in fact, very obvious. Since the others have already inadvertently taken care of that, let me only add that you are decrying the "lack of nuance" of a MOTHERFUCKING TWEET, LOL. I think there are some drugs that are absolutely terrible (mostly heroin and, funnily enough, cannabis, that drug which most people find harmless) and quite a few drugs that are relatively harmless (e.g. speed, ritalin, lsd). But "relatively harmless" barely says anything because the underlying consumptions habits are what is critical. I will only say this: I think if we finally came to terms with what Milner and Olds have told us in the 60s (and what philosophers have said for millenia), then we could maybe re-orient our society to not care so much about happiness anymore. Which is difficult, to be sure, since, as Milner and Olds have shown, we are naturally predisposed to care very much about happiness. But then, culture can do wonders. I don't think anyone believes that drugs are harmless and not a problem. The question is whether the war on drugs is a good idea, not if you would like to have a world where noone does any drugs. Of course it would be better if people didn't get addicted to heroin. The war on drugs, on the other hand, is in my opinion a) not achieving its goal of meaningfully reducing drug consumption, and b) has a lot of negative side effects. Cartels in mexico, people being criminalized and put into prison, dangerous street drugs with random shit in them, infections due to unclean needles, difficulties for addicts to find help due to not wanting to be put in prison. My opinion is that decriminalisation and possibly even legalisation of drugs can remove or reduce the negative side effects, without drastically increasing the amount of people doing drugs. I do not say this because i think drugs are great and everyone should be doing them. I think that a society without a war on drugs has net benefits over a society with a war on drugs, despite the fact that drugs are bad mkay. Making drugs illegal does not make them disappear, it just means that the situation is even more shitty for everyone involved. People who want drugs will get drugs, whether they are legal or not. Go for the alcohol/tobacco route. Put some taxes onto them so they are not too cheap, use that money to finance education campaigns, and have lots of big disgusting signs on the packages, like in the case of tobacco. Prohibition does not work and leads to lots of problems. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On June 21 2016 04:46 oneofthem wrote: uh i was talking about raghuram rajan quitting the reserve bank of india, a situation i framed as entrenched big businesses with roots in indian socialist system trying to preserve their power by ousting a guy trying to call them out on the cronyism. the rest of your post is just bad. i dunno you sound kind of like a bernieorbuster to me. you didnt really frame the situation at all. neoliberals being driven back into their lairs by socialist big business? neoliberals advocating for guaranteed wage? like neoliberal policies after a period of enclosed nationalism have benefited entrenched interests everywhere that theyve been enacted. its weird to call rajan a neoliberal and the "cronies" he hates socialists while using "nationalist" to mean socialist post independence india but not BJP. maybe your framing would be better with consistent/meaningful use of terms | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
On June 21 2016 04:29 Surth wrote: I was going to respond to this in more detail, but notice that nettles and solar are in favor of drug legalization despite the fact that i almost constantly disagree with them, whereas plansix seems to be in agreement with you despite the fact that he and i probably align a lot more closely in general. My point was merely to show that almost everything that is argued to be "totally obvious man, open your eyes, how could anyone argue against this!" in this thread is not, in fact, very obvious. Since the others have already inadvertently taken care of that, let me only add that you are decrying the "lack of nuance" of a MOTHERFUCKING TWEET, LOL. I think there are some drugs that are absolutely terrible (mostly heroin and, funnily enough, cannabis, that drug which most people find harmless) and quite a few drugs that are relatively harmless (e.g. speed, ritalin, lsd). But "relatively harmless" barely says anything because the underlying consumptions habits are what is critical. I will only say this: I think if we finally came to terms with what Milner and Olds have told us in the 60s (and what philosophers have said for millenia), then we could maybe re-orient our society to not care so much about happiness anymore. Which is difficult, to be sure, since, as Milner and Olds have shown, we are naturally predisposed to care very much about happiness. But then, culture can do wonders. Thank you for acknowledging cannabis as a potentially harmful drug. I've seen that drug ruin so many good friends of mine, potentially more than any other drug. It is almost mind numbing that so many people think cannabis has no negative side effects, and some even believe that it is essentially magical and will improve all aspects of your life. Heroin is something I would only touch once in a while thing if it's available from people I trust. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't approach drugs the same way, and see it as a substitution for their entire life where they constantly need to be high to feel normal. That feeling runs rampant for cannabis smokers, it's just the negative side effects to that life style are not as drastic as heroin, but the subtle side effects are definitely harmful. | ||
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Surth
Germany456 Posts
Yes? It sounds like you're agreeing with me? I am in favor of legalizing drugs, and i am definitely and strongly in favor of ending the war on drugs. My point is merely that the underlying problem is never drugs but what turns people into addicts, and that society at large still has no fucking clue of why people become addicted. Read up on Milner/Olds and then on stoicism and you'll see what i mean  not that i'm a stoicist, they were kinda dumb. Oneofthem: I took your "lack of nuance" to refer to the tweet. Did you refer to something else or are you just being purposefully thick right now? You were criticizing a post on twitter, a platform that limits you to 140 characters, for not being nuanced, correct? Edit: and note that ending the war on drugs will probably not solve the problems of states like mexico. it was the war on drugs that created the cartels, to be sure, but they exist now, and ending the war on drugs will not simply make them vanish into thin air. How quickly the reach of the cartels would diminish would depend on 1) how much of their revenue is dependent on drugs (still to a large degree, but depends on the cartel in question, some of them have diversified quite a bit already) and 2) how quickly they could morph to find other revenue streams. As long as the cartels continue to have money, they will continue to have soldiers, and states like mexico and guatemala will continue to be on the brink of being failed states. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On June 21 2016 06:48 Surth wrote: Simberto: Yes? It sounds like you're agreeing with me? I am in favor of legalizing drugs, and i am definitely and strongly in favor of ending the war on drugs. My point is merely that the underlying problem is never drugs but what turns people into addicts, and that society at large still has no fucking clue of why people become addicted. Read up on Milner/Olds and then on stoicism and you'll see what i mean not that i'm a stoicist, they were kinda dumb. Oneofthem: I took your "lack of nuance" to refer to the tweet. Did you refer to something else or are you just being purposefully thick right now? You were criticizing a post on twitter, a platform that limits you to 140 characters, for not being nuanced, correct? did you read the tweet? are you serious | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15688 Posts
On June 21 2016 06:48 Surth wrote: Oneofthem: I took your "lack of nuance" to refer to the tweet. Did you refer to something else or are you just being purposefully thick right now? You were criticizing a post on twitter, a platform that limits you to 140 characters, for not being nuanced, correct? When something is specified as "all", does that not remove the need for nuance? they said all. So don't they mean all? | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
On June 21 2016 06:48 Surth wrote: Simberto: Yes? It sounds like you're agreeing with me? I am in favor of legalizing drugs, and i am definitely and strongly in favor of ending the war on drugs. My point is merely that the underlying problem is never drugs but what turns people into addicts, and that society at large still has no fucking clue of why people become addicted. Read up on Milner/Olds and then on stoicism and you'll see what i mean not that i'm a stoicist, they were kinda dumb. Oneofthem: I took your "lack of nuance" to refer to the tweet. Did you refer to something else or are you just being purposefully thick right now? You were criticizing a post on twitter, a platform that limits you to 140 characters, for not being nuanced, correct? Oh this should be good. Please clarify what you think turns people into addicts? Besides, what do you even mean by "legalizing drugs"? All drugs? Some drugs? Narcotics? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On June 21 2016 06:20 IgnE wrote: it's more like, not all 'neoliberals' are bad and leftist hamsters using the term are ignorant and confused about what is actually going on i dunno you sound kind of like a bernieorbuster to me. you didnt really frame the situation at all. neoliberals being driven back into their lairs by socialist big business? neoliberals advocating for guaranteed wage? like neoliberal policies after a period of enclosed nationalism have benefited entrenched interests everywhere that theyve been enacted. its weird to call rajan a neoliberal and the "cronies" he hates socialists while using "nationalist" to mean socialist post independence india but not BJP. maybe your framing would be better with consistent/meaningful use of terms | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
I am with him on this. Twitter is not the place for any sort of complex discourse and complaining about a tweet being a big over-simplistic is pretty silly. If you then provided a more detailed break down of their beliefs on teh subject, then we would have something to talk about. But its just a tweet. And by their nature, they are all sort of shit. | ||
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Surth
Germany456 Posts
On June 21 2016 06:58 Ghostcom wrote: Oh this should be good. Please clarify what you think turns people into addicts? Besides, what do you even mean by "legalizing drugs"? All drugs? Some drugs? Narcotics? I'm going to bed honey, but you tell me what you think turns people into addicts and what should be done, and I'll tell you tomorrow why you are wrong  User was warned for this post | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On June 21 2016 07:01 Plansix wrote: I am with him on this. Twitter is not the place for any sort of complex discourse and complaining about a tweet being a big over-simplistic is pretty silly. If you then provided a more detailed break down of their beliefs on teh subject, then we would have something to talk about. But its just a tweet. And by their nature, they are all sort of shit. did you read the tweet? are you serious? | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
On June 21 2016 07:03 Surth wrote: I'm going to bed honey, but you tell me what you think turns people into addicts and what should be done, and I'll tell you tomorrow why you are wrong Pfft, figures you are just another hack without any substance and no actual idea of what you are talking about. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Yeah, I read the tweet. Its dumb, but so is all of twitter in general. Do you have anything else beyond "This tweet by the Bernie supporters is so stupid"? That isn't really a great discussion to be had. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On June 21 2016 07:05 Plansix wrote: Yeah, I read the tweet. Its dumb, but so is all of twitter in general. Do you have anything else beyond "This tweet by the Bernie supporters is so stupid"? That isn't really a great discussion to be had. can you tell me what the tweet says? then i can bold the part you need to read. let me help you out, it's something like "It's now in the Iowa Democrat platform" | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On June 21 2016 06:58 Mohdoo wrote: When something is specified as "all", does that not remove the need for nuance? they said all. So don't they mean all? If Trump said it then several people in this topic could explain how all doesn't actually mean all. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
FBI now backpedals and releases COMPLETE transcripts of Orlando shooter Omar Mateen's 911 call in which he says 'Peace be upon the prophet... I did the shootings' - hours after redacting references to Islam and 9/11 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3650799/Peace-prophet-did-shootings-FBI-releases-complete-transcripts-Orlando-shooter-Omar-Mateen-s-911-calls-scrubs-references-Islam-9-11.html | ||
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Surth
Germany456 Posts
On June 21 2016 07:04 Ghostcom wrote: Pfft, figures you are just another hack without any substance and no actual idea of what you are talking about. No, I'm serious (tip for oneofthem, btw: Yes, i am serious, always, especially when I make jokes. Seriously.). You should sympathize with my timezone problems, person from denmark! I have about 700 pages of texts from various journals and books in regards to drugs and the war on drugs scattered in my room, and roughly an equal amount on gang suppression in north and latin america, and I have consumed moderate amounts of drugs myself! I don't even care about this topic that much (I happen to loathe hippies who will do nothing but talk about legalizing drugs all day, its almost as bad as people like testie who do nothing but google the terrible things that some assholes do in the name of islam all day), Im studying a bunch of completely unrelated topics right now. But I know what I'm talking about, luv. Seriously, you give me something to attack (I don't even know your position on this), I'll demolish you tomorrow or the day after See, this is the problem with forums, everybody's in a hurry. Everyone wants to discuss tweets, as if that had anything to do with politics ever. BUT GUYS LETS TALK ABOUT TRUMPS LATEST TWEET FOR 10 PAGES | ||
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