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Plansix
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kwizach
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On May 28 2016 03:48 SolaR- wrote: To some degree true. Relative corruption is important here. Some people on here have flat out said that hillary is not corrupt and laugh at even the hint of possibility. I am merely demonstrating that is absurd, and some people need to be a little bit more honest about Hillary instead of just jumping to her defense. You've demonstrated nothing. You've made claims with nothing to back them up. | ||
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Naracs_Duc
746 Posts
On May 28 2016 06:01 TheTenthDoc wrote: Well duh it's awful for Trump (unless he expected Sanders to shit on Clinton). Offering to debate the assumed loser, then not doing so and offering a hackneyed non-justification, is awful and cowardly both. It's also mediagrubbing clickbait generating, but that's par for the Trump course. Edit: If it tells me anything, it reinforces my understanding that his campaign runs on clickbait, incompetence, overpromising, and backtracking. But that's also par for the course. We don't necessarily disagree with our thoughts on Trump. I was mostly talking about what a Trump Supporter would think. If I was a trump supporter--I would be confused why you'd waste your time on Bernie at all. Only Bernie fans would get excited. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On May 28 2016 06:50 Naracs_Duc wrote: We don't necessarily disagree with our thoughts on Trump. I was mostly talking about what a Trump Supporter would think. If I was a trump supporter--I would be confused why you'd waste your time on Bernie at all. Only Bernie fans would get excited. Eh. I think there's a substantial subset of Trump supporters who think Trump could silver tongue his way deep into the hearts of the Sanders supporters if given half the opportunity-and Sanders supporters being increasingly reluctant to support Clinton is a good chunk of the progress Trump has made in national polls. A debate seems like an okay platform for that (especially since many of those same people are sure he's a master debater, just like he's a master everything else). On May 28 2016 06:13 oBlade wrote: You mean you suspect there might have been some kind of hidden agenda to the whole thing, like trying to make a primary candidate for the opposing party look like a loser? Ah yes. He made himself look like a wimp just to make Clinton look like a wimp, when Trump could have just tweeted that she was too wimpy to face Sanders during the debate back and forth-with an easy tweet that he was still open to any debate challenges in the Republican primary (that would have even demonstrated his superiority, since he already vanquished his challengers). His master plan. No evidence of rushed decision making and then backing out here, no sir! | ||
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
On May 28 2016 06:46 kwizach wrote: You've demonstrated nothing. You've made claims with nothing to back them up. You are missing the point. It is not whether she is guilty of corruption or not. I am talking about how short sighted it is to completely shutdown any question of her integrity. Especially, when she has commanded a position of great power for decades. | ||
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oBlade
United States6319 Posts
On May 28 2016 06:56 TheTenthDoc wrote: Ah yes. He made himself look like a wimp just to make Clinton look like a wimp, when Trump could have just tweeted that she was too wimpy to face Sanders during the debate back and forth-with an easy tweet that he was still open to any debate challenges in the Republican primary (that would have even demonstrated his superiority, since he already vanquished his challengers). His master plan. No evidence of rushed decision making and then backing out here, no sir! I was talking about Sanders. But you're the one who suggested there were ulterior motives. What are they supposed to be? And I really have no idea what you're talking about when you say Trump could have offered to debate a Republican when nobody else is running - I assume you're just being smart. | ||
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Introvert
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24142 Posts
On May 28 2016 07:41 Mohdoo wrote: I feel like Trump originally accepting and then later declining to debate Bernie really hurts Bernie's position against Clinton. I don't know about the electorate at large but the whole thing breathed new life into Bernie's supporters. Hence why #ChickenTrump is trending over his rally. Trump wanted the protest (which is bigger than his rally possibly) to take the attention but social media is a buzz on him and Hillary chickening out and already looking for a way to hide from Gary Johnson. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 28 2016 07:46 GreenHorizons wrote: I don't know about the electorate at large but the whole thing breathed new life into Bernie's supporters. Hence why #ChickenTrump is trending over his rally. Trump wanted the protest (which is bigger than his rally possibly) to take the attention but social media is a buzz on him and Hillary chickening out and already looking for a way to hide from Gary Johnson. This would matter if Bernie was in an even position to Clinton or Trump. But since he is the distant 3rd who doesn't really have a place at this point, both Clinton and Trump declining reinforces the "dude, why are you still here?" some people are thinking. It reminds people Sanders isn't relevant. | ||
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TMagpie
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On May 28 2016 07:46 GreenHorizons wrote: I don't know about the electorate at large but the whole thing breathed new life into Bernie's supporters. Hence why #ChickenTrump is trending over his rally. Trump wanted the protest (which is bigger than his rally possibly) to take the attention but social media is a buzz on him and Hillary chickening out and already looking for a way to hide from Gary Johnson. For the most, majority of Bernie supporters I know didn't even know about the debate. Only fans of the "corporate media" took real notice and most thought it sounded weird. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24142 Posts
On May 28 2016 08:15 TMagpie wrote: For the most, majority of Bernie supporters I know didn't even know about the debate. Only fans of the "corporate media" took real notice and most thought it sounded weird. Pretty sure they know now, otherwise I doubt it would be the #1 trend on twitter. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 28 2016 08:34 GreenHorizons wrote: Pretty sure they know now, otherwise I doubt it would be the #1 trend on twitter. Broken records are broken. Its shocking to see how the substance in your posts has devolved. Kinda mirrors his campaign. I am disappointed. You generally had meaningful things to contribute. Shame. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24142 Posts
On May 28 2016 08:43 Rebs wrote: Broken records are broken. Its shocking to see how the substance in your posts has devolved. Kinda mirrors his campaign. I am disappointed. You generally had meaningful things to contribute. Shame. lol as opposed to his anecdotal story about Bernie supporters being unaware of one of the biggest stories of the week. I'm sure you're shocked and the shame aptly placed. | ||
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
He at least questions the status quo on this forum. There are too many fixated opinions on this thread that are pandered by other users who share common interest. Different opinions arise and are quickly stifled before they reach fruition. Other sources labeled as biased, ignorant, not credible, etc with very little explanation on why. It is refreshing to hear other opinions as opposed to watch other posters laud Hillary all day. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
and people really aren't lauding hillary all day; a few are; but that's not the predominant view. The problems tend to come from people who repeatedly post things that don't hold up to scrutiny well. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 28 2016 09:14 SolaR- wrote: GH is a good poster. He at least questions the status quo on this forum. There are too many fixated opinions on this thread that are pandered by other users who share common interest. Different opinions arise and are quickly stifled before they reach fruition. Other sources labeled as biased, ignorant, not credible, etc with very little explanation on why. It is refreshing to hear other opinions as opposed to watch other posters laud Hillary all day. the irony of pointing out fixated posters when talking about GH in this thread. Its not pandering if you share a common views btw. Its ok to have different views its not really enlightening to anyone when the content of your last 10 posts has nothing to do with anything except questioning a candidates credibility. Im to lazy to go around quoting them but you can see for yourself and I can assure you that the content of the comments hardly leave any variation in content let alone perspective. I dont really care if people say stupid things those get debunked pretty quickly. But if you just keep saying the same thing over and over and over. Its just insulting everyones intelligence. Also I havent really noticed anyone not addressing any claims of dismissal. Usually people have explained themselves pretty well. Your comment is pretty much as tunnel vision as the people you are accusing of circle jerking | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
He's right though. Paying someone for not working is an inconvenience to business. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 28 2016 10:37 SK.Testie wrote: Hillary's new attack line seems a little more upbeat, entertaining and fun. Doesn't hurt that she's using someone with actual charisma. https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/736364661524811776 He's right though. Paying someone for not working is an inconvenience to business. Think about that if you ever find yourself needing pat leave. | ||
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SK.Testie
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