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CHARLESTON, South Carolina (Reuters) - South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley on Wednesday signed into law a bill banning most abortions after 19 weeks of pregnancy unless the mother’s life is at risk, a spokesperson told Reuters on Wednesday.
The South Carolina legislature passed the bill last week, the 17th U.S. state to approve such a ban.
A signing ceremony will take place on a date to be announced later, said Haley spokesperson Chaney Adams.
The act, proposed last year in South Carolina’s Republican-controlled legislature, passed after it was stripped of exceptions for pregnancies that result from rape of incest.
Sixteen other states have passed similar laws as conservatives have chipped away at the U.S. Supreme Court’s landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade decision to legalize abortion. Courts have overturned the bans in three states.
“I believe that life begins at conception and every step we can take to get back to that point is important,” the bill’s sponsor, Republican Representative Wendy Nanney, told Reuters. “In my view and many others’, it’s inhumane to subject that baby to pain at 20 weeks.”
Critics have said the name of the Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act goes against medical evidence showing that a fetus at 20 weeks cannot feel pain.
“This is a dangerous bill for South Carolina women ..., made even more extreme by removing exceptions for victims of rape and incest,” Alyssa Miller, South Carolina director of public affairs for Planned Parenthood South Atlantic, said in a statement.
The law allows abortions at the 20-week mark if the pregnancy endangers a mother’s life. It also includes a second exception if severe fatal abnormalities will mean the fetus would definitely die at full-term birth.
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On May 26 2016 09:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +CHARLESTON, South Carolina (Reuters) - South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley on Wednesday signed into law a bill banning most abortions after 19 weeks of pregnancy unless the mother’s life is at risk, a spokesperson told Reuters on Wednesday.
The South Carolina legislature passed the bill last week, the 17th U.S. state to approve such a ban.
A signing ceremony will take place on a date to be announced later, said Haley spokesperson Chaney Adams.
The act, proposed last year in South Carolina’s Republican-controlled legislature, passed after it was stripped of exceptions for pregnancies that result from rape of incest.
Sixteen other states have passed similar laws as conservatives have chipped away at the U.S. Supreme Court’s landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade decision to legalize abortion. Courts have overturned the bans in three states.
“I believe that life begins at conception and every step we can take to get back to that point is important,” the bill’s sponsor, Republican Representative Wendy Nanney, told Reuters. “In my view and many others’, it’s inhumane to subject that baby to pain at 20 weeks.”
Critics have said the name of the Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act goes against medical evidence showing that a fetus at 20 weeks cannot feel pain.
“This is a dangerous bill for South Carolina women ..., made even more extreme by removing exceptions for victims of rape and incest,” Alyssa Miller, South Carolina director of public affairs for Planned Parenthood South Atlantic, said in a statement.
The law allows abortions at the 20-week mark if the pregnancy endangers a mother’s life. It also includes a second exception if severe fatal abnormalities will mean the fetus would definitely die at full-term birth. Source
Its weird that the baby needs to be on its way to death. Being on its way to down syndrome or any other mental ailment should be treated just the same. Parents of mentally disabled people do enough mental gymnastics to convince themselves it is some sort of blessing or that they are equal. That doesn't mean people should be forced to birth them.
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On May 26 2016 09:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
They're just the hated flavor of the decade.
Rather than hated I'd actually say they're forgotten or not thought of more than hated because they are so rarely seen. Again the few times I've ever seen or heard of one, there's only been a groundswell of support in the community. Like, it's extremely rare so people just completely forget in this case.
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When Texas takes up always-contentions revisions of science and social studies coursework in 2017, a former schoolteacher who believes dinosaurs were on Noah’s Ark and Democrats killed John F Kennedy won’t have a vote.
Mary Lou Bruner lost her Republican primary runoff for a seat on the powerful Texas state board of education on Tuesday night, just two months after a near-outright victory that would have put her on the brink of having a say in what more than five million schoolchildren learn in classrooms and read in textbooks.
The 69-year-old Bruner has posted on Facebook claims that Barack Obama is a gay prostitute, climate change is a hoax concocted by Karl Marx and that Obama’s healthcare overhaul was an orchestrated plot to wipe 200 million people from the US population. She also wrote that the flood from the biblical story of Noah’s Ark is what destroyed the dinosaurs, not a meteor as “concocted” by atheists.
In March, Bruner came within two percentage points of avoiding a runoff altogether. But Republican voters flocked this time to Keven Ellis, a local school board president in Lufkin who ran a mainstream campaign.
“I honestly believe that in the primary – that was during the presidential primary, too – our race just got buried,” said Ellis, who wouldn’t criticize Bruner following his victory and instead thanked her for her career as a teacher.
“Voters just may have selected a name,” Ellis said.
Ellis easily won with nearly 60% of the vote. Bruner’s fade was perhaps tied not only to increasing attention surrounding her since-deleted Facebook posts but also to an influential Tea Party group recently withdrawing its endorsement. Grassroots America did not cite Bruner’s conspiracy theories and fringe political screeds on social media in taking back its support but rather her making inaccurate school data claims.
Bruner did not respond to an email seeking comment Tuesday night.
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On May 26 2016 09:31 SK.Testie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2016 09:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
They're just the hated flavor of the decade. Rather than hated I'd actually say they're forgotten or not thought of more than hated because they are so rarely seen. Again the few times I've ever seen or heard of one, there's only been a groundswell of support in the community. Like, it's extremely rare so people just completely forget in this case.
I challenge you to watch a twitch chat while Scarlett plays. Contrast that with how she is treated on this forum. One is moderated strictly, the other is not. One is a cesspool of hatred, the other treats her respectfully. Expecting this kind of stuff to just 'figure itself out' or whatever doesn't work- changing attitudes and supporting minority rights is a continuous struggle which takes deliberate effort.
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On May 26 2016 09:55 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2016 09:31 SK.Testie wrote:On May 26 2016 09:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
They're just the hated flavor of the decade. Rather than hated I'd actually say they're forgotten or not thought of more than hated because they are so rarely seen. Again the few times I've ever seen or heard of one, there's only been a groundswell of support in the community. Like, it's extremely rare so people just completely forget in this case. I challenge you to watch a twitch chat while Scarlett plays. Contrast that with how she is treated on this forum. One is moderated strictly, the other is not. One is a cesspool of hatred, the other treats her respectfully. Expecting this kind of stuff to just 'figure itself out' or whatever doesn't work- changing attitudes and supporting minority rights is a continuous struggle which takes deliberate effort.
Part of the problem is that people assume if they don't see it happen before their eyes, it must not be an issue. And of course, the people claim that its all not a big deal are normally the ones would never experience the cesspool of hate.
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On May 26 2016 09:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +CHARLESTON, South Carolina (Reuters) - South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley on Wednesday signed into law a bill banning most abortions after 19 weeks of pregnancy unless the mother’s life is at risk, a spokesperson told Reuters on Wednesday.
The South Carolina legislature passed the bill last week, the 17th U.S. state to approve such a ban.
A signing ceremony will take place on a date to be announced later, said Haley spokesperson Chaney Adams.
The act, proposed last year in South Carolina’s Republican-controlled legislature, passed after it was stripped of exceptions for pregnancies that result from rape of incest.
Sixteen other states have passed similar laws as conservatives have chipped away at the U.S. Supreme Court’s landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade decision to legalize abortion. Courts have overturned the bans in three states.
“I believe that life begins at conception and every step we can take to get back to that point is important,” the bill’s sponsor, Republican Representative Wendy Nanney, told Reuters. “In my view and many others’, it’s inhumane to subject that baby to pain at 20 weeks.”
Critics have said the name of the Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act goes against medical evidence showing that a fetus at 20 weeks cannot feel pain.
“This is a dangerous bill for South Carolina women ..., made even more extreme by removing exceptions for victims of rape and incest,” Alyssa Miller, South Carolina director of public affairs for Planned Parenthood South Atlantic, said in a statement.
The law allows abortions at the 20-week mark if the pregnancy endangers a mother’s life. It also includes a second exception if severe fatal abnormalities will mean the fetus would definitely die at full-term birth. Source
Won't SCOTUS bitch slap these stupid state laws?
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On May 24 2016 06:33 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2016 05:56 Lord Tolkien wrote:On May 24 2016 03:21 oBlade wrote:On May 24 2016 03:07 Lord Tolkien wrote:On May 24 2016 03:06 SolaR- wrote:On May 24 2016 02:37 Ghostcom wrote:
Social Science is a Scientific Field. Woman studies is not. It is at best a sub-specialty.
If the statement that "every country is misogynistic" is true, then so is "every country is misandric" as males occupy the extremes when it comes to almost all applicable parameters. Painting with such a broad brush is pretty much useless. Social sciences are not true science either. In what way. Here are a couple soundbytes that capture the gist of why social science is in a different class of rigor from the natural sciences: + Show Spoiler + I am asking you to define what constitutes a "true" science, not give long out-dated soundbytes of pithy yet unproven statements and, ultimately, deflections. In essence, I'm asking you what a science is (or fundamentally, what is scientific epistemology), and, from that starting point, hope to logically derive the view that "social sciences" cannot be considered a science from it. All you said was "in what way." Those are classic clips of bright people briefly summarizing for the laymen what the general difference is between the levels of rigor. There hasn't been a scientific revolution between Feynman's death and now. I don't know why you would call his words outdated (I assume you weren't calling the living Chomsky outdated), the scientific method isn't some kind trend.
I realize I'm way late on this topic, but come on guys, you are are all ignoring the most significant scientific revolution since Newton. I am talking, of course, of Cellular Automata.
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Shareholders of Exxon Mobil and Chevron have voted to reject a series of resolutions aimed at encouraging the companies to take stronger actions to battle climate change.
But Exxon Mobil shareholders voted in favor of a rule that could make it easier for minority shareholders to nominate outsiders to the company's board, a potential victory for environmentalists.
Activist shareholders at both companies had placed an unusual number of resolutions on the ballot related to climate change.
The resolutions would have required the company to add a climate change expert to its board, publish an annual report on the subject, and pursue policies that limit global warming to 2 degrees Celsius. All were defeated at Exxon Mobil's annual meeting in Dallas.
Chevron shareholders voted down a series of similar resolutions at their annual meeting in San Ramon, Calif.
One bright spot for environmentalists was the passage of the so-called proxy access rule by Exxon Mobil shareholders. The rule, which won 61.9 percent of the vote, could make it easier to bring outsiders such as a climate change scientist onto the board.
Shareholders heard from several scientists who urged the company to take the threat of climate change more seriously.
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Well that's not surprising at all, unfortunately 
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On May 26 2016 09:26 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2016 09:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:CHARLESTON, South Carolina (Reuters) - South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley on Wednesday signed into law a bill banning most abortions after 19 weeks of pregnancy unless the mother’s life is at risk, a spokesperson told Reuters on Wednesday.
The South Carolina legislature passed the bill last week, the 17th U.S. state to approve such a ban.
A signing ceremony will take place on a date to be announced later, said Haley spokesperson Chaney Adams.
The act, proposed last year in South Carolina’s Republican-controlled legislature, passed after it was stripped of exceptions for pregnancies that result from rape of incest.
Sixteen other states have passed similar laws as conservatives have chipped away at the U.S. Supreme Court’s landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade decision to legalize abortion. Courts have overturned the bans in three states.
“I believe that life begins at conception and every step we can take to get back to that point is important,” the bill’s sponsor, Republican Representative Wendy Nanney, told Reuters. “In my view and many others’, it’s inhumane to subject that baby to pain at 20 weeks.”
Critics have said the name of the Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act goes against medical evidence showing that a fetus at 20 weeks cannot feel pain.
“This is a dangerous bill for South Carolina women ..., made even more extreme by removing exceptions for victims of rape and incest,” Alyssa Miller, South Carolina director of public affairs for Planned Parenthood South Atlantic, said in a statement.
The law allows abortions at the 20-week mark if the pregnancy endangers a mother’s life. It also includes a second exception if severe fatal abnormalities will mean the fetus would definitely die at full-term birth. Source Its weird that the baby needs to be on its way to death. Being on its way to down syndrome or any other mental ailment should be treated just the same. Parents of mentally disabled people do enough mental gymnastics to convince themselves it is some sort of blessing or that they are equal. That doesn't mean people should be forced to birth them.
Or, you know, they are good parents and love their children despite any disabilities.
What the fuck kind of parents did you have?
Edit: I know there are some disabilities that are very severe, and strongly impact the quality of life of the parents. That would be a crappy situation, and one that is understandable to try to avoid. But there's a huge spectrum of disabilities. Myself, I would totally have a down's syndrome baby, for example. High functioning autism is also not that bad.
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I would definitely abort a heavily disabled child if I were given the option.
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Yeah not even close. Abort. Make another one.
And even if you think otherwise and don't like that, bear in mind that isn't the question.
The question is whether the state should jail people for making the decision you don't like.
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Abort anything that cannot contribute to the nation state so that you do not burden your brothers.
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On May 26 2016 09:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2016 09:08 Toadesstern wrote:On May 26 2016 09:03 SolaR- wrote:
I mean I can see that becoming a huge issue with trans people who have not changed their genitals yet and are changing in the same room as young children. Many parents would not like expose children to the opposite sex's genitals at such a young age.
Again, personally I don't care and wouldn't be bothered. But I am trying to look at this practically, and I can see this being a slippery slope the more and more we accept anything when it comes to changing rooms and locker rooms.
I think testie makes a valid point, on where do you draw the line? I mean at some point you might as well have unisex locker rooms and changing rooms.
I just asked my girlfriend and she said she wouldn't be comfortable with it and she is a fairly opened minded person. I have a feeling this would make a lot of women uncomfortable. That's really more of an America kind of thing I think? As long as it's not porn noone has an issue with kids seeing other people naked over here. Sauna's in Germany are mixed gender, you're all naked there. There are plenty of all-naked beaches, parks and everything else. Swimming outsides I've heard is a thing in scandinavia etc. It's really just about what you grow up with being acceptable and that is acceptable for you, for some reason. That's a good point. American culture is much more prude and anti-sex as a whole. Half our country can't even get decent sex education in our public schools, because of how taboo the topic is.
As true as that might be, Toadesstern missed the point by a mile and either deliberately painted a wrong picture or didn't know better. While i do think that americans are prude to the point of ridiculousness (nipplegate, wtf), the majority of germans are not much different. Yes, there is "FKK" (Freikoerperkultur, or "culture of naked body"), but that's something you choose to do (and in fact a miniscule community compared to "normal beach-goers"). There's people that want to do FKK with other people that want to do FKK. It literally has nothing to do with the topic at hand where people do NOT choose, but are forced into certain situations.
I would NOT want to lie on an FKK beach. Neither would anyone out of my family. Has nothing to do with being prude, i just don't want to see other people naked. And that's pretty widespread in germany, as i said. FKK etc is not even remotely close to "the rule".
PS: not all saunas are mixed gender in germany either - and you're NOT all naked there. You're all naked if you feel comfortable to do so. Which, again, isn't the rule.
So all in all, yes. Germany might be a bit more open minded than the USA in that regard, but only just.
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Reddit just exploded.
Can't wait to see the headlines when I wake up.
Can't wait to see the debate even.
Will they play nice? Will they attack each other? Will they attack Hillary (probably). Is Hillary on the phone with Sanders right now saying, 'ok you're VP, you're VP!!'
What an election.
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My initial reaction is that I'm not happy about the Trump vs Sanders debate as somebody pulling for Hillary.
The only way I can see it being a positive for her is if Sanders goes on full attack mode vs Trump. His ego can't handle being attacked so of course he'll start saying stupid and divisive things, driving away Sanders voters in particular since he'll no doubt attack Sanders personally.
If they go up there and just gang up on Hillary, or just act nice to each other with no fireworks, then this could be disastrous for Hillary imo.
Of course it will be hilarious if only because Trump the Chameleon will talk like a liberal the whole debate. If you show this debate to somebody who doesn't know who is running in each party, they will likely think it is a Democratic Primary debate between two far left candidates. Maybe he runs off even more conservatives then? That could be helpful.
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