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On May 04 2016 12:16 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2016 12:09 LegalLord wrote:
I don't think John Rambo McCain is as polarizing as Trump. Very bad as a general election candidate, and he would have lost anyways even if he wasn't because of the Bush fallout, but he didn't seem to split the party (the Obama-Hillary split was more notable).
The fact that Trump is the winner when he goes against a significant portion of what the R party stands for, is kind of an issue. He's much more liberal than most of them. Why keep people saying this? He isn't anything, he is a reality TV billionaire and contradicts himself every second sentence. There is absolutely no basis to make any claim about what Trump will do, which is probably enough reason to not vote for him in the first place
Erdogan was Mayor of Istanbul. Thats all. Then he became reality. He contradicted himself every day, every night, every single sentence. Still he won every single election. Sometimes its impossible to understand why people give their votes to obviously bad ones.
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The Reagan Democrats haven't been Democrats for 20 years. They didn't come back for Bill Clinton, and they sure as hell didn't come back for Obama and won't come back for Hillary Clinton.
What this election will really come down to is middle/upper class males and gender insecurity issues. Trump is disastrous with females, 23-70 disapproval and it is going to get worse when the clips really start going. With men it is 36-58, but there is reason to think he can move that up by playing to his gender issues. Trump can play up Hillary threatening traditional male dominance and pick up a few MRA voters here and there.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/190403/seven-women-unfavorable-opinion-trump.aspx
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On May 04 2016 14:02 Reaper9 wrote:
No it is not a free win. Trump invokes a sort of nationalism that has been festering beneath the surface. Get rid of foreigners that are invading America. Bring back jobs that Americans deserve. Plays into his brand of individualism (fuck you, get mine), and playing the macho-man card (said many sexist remarks to prop himself up). He is the nominee for being the president of the United States, and is foul-mouthed, crude, and swings his statements in literally minutes, saying whatever pops up in that brain of his. It is not even that he has put any rational thought into his statements, he says it because he can, and will. That being said, he is quite street smart, and knows how to pick his fights.
I'm a semiconductor manufacturing engineer and I have to admit that I would love to see more fabs come back to the states. In that way, his message does resonate with me some. They never develop their own processes anyway. We do the science and then help them copy it and do it poorly..with worse yields.
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Apparently, in the interest of simplified logistics, a lot of companies have indeed been moving operations back into the US. The problem is that, as they modernize their plants, they have a lot more automation and a lot less manual labor than before, so people are still out of a job. Tough problem.
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Here's a paper by the Peterson Institue for international economics on offshorig and outsourcing.
piie.com
Another reason for bringing back manufacturing is that it's a natural hedge against foreign exchange volatility.
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Glad to see people in this thread still hold the truth. Too bad millions of people are wrong. Thanks for sharing it with the less fortunate.
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Oh well. gg murica i guess, unless clinton wins it
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Dear Americans,
there are millions cynical yet curious people in the world. All of us want to know one thing: how deeply can Trump fuck you in four years? Please, vote for him so we get to know!
Sincerely,
the amused rest of the world
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My biggest regret this year is not having a Bernie / Trump race. I would probably watch that debate a hundred times over.
Seriously though, I am quite interested in the potential for the 2020 election, now that Sanders has shown that there is the potential for a strong populist movement. I'm also curious as to whether similar movements will happen in other countries.
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On May 04 2016 18:14 Bswhunter wrote:
My biggest regret this year is not having a Bernie / Trump race. I would probably watch that debate a hundred times over.
Seriously though, I am quite interested in the potential for the 2020 election, now that Sanders has shown that there is the potential for a strong populist movement. I'm also curious as to whether similar movements will happen in other countries.
You mean one that pushes universal healthcare, minimum wage and social security? We had that about a hundred years ago in most of Europe ...  I don't really now that much about the rest of the world, but from European viewpoint, Bernie brings almost nothing surprising, so his "movement" is largely irrelevant for us.
edit: it's probably worth adding that there are "populist" movements in Europe, but most of those look much more like Trump than Sanders.
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On May 04 2016 18:14 Bswhunter wrote:
My biggest regret this year is not having a Bernie / Trump race. I would probably watch that debate a hundred times over.
The Donald agrees
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On May 04 2016 18:27 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2016 18:14 Bswhunter wrote:
My biggest regret this year is not having a Bernie / Trump race. I would probably watch that debate a hundred times over.
Seriously though, I am quite interested in the potential for the 2020 election, now that Sanders has shown that there is the potential for a strong populist movement. I'm also curious as to whether similar movements will happen in other countries. You mean one that pushes universal healthcare, minimum wage and social security? We had that about a hundred years ago in most of Europe ... I don't really now that much about the rest of the world, but from European viewpoint, Bernie brings almost nothing surprising, so his "movement" is largely irrelevant for us. edit: it's probably worth adding that there are "populist" movements in Europe, but most of those look much more like Trump than Sanders.
Europe has plenty of far left populism as well.
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trump would fuck rest of the world and the poor in murica unless he doesnt pass his tax stuff as is. euros need to worry.
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He's just saying whatever he can say to bring Sanders supporters under his umbrella. He will now go into overdrive trying to paint himself with the same brush as Sanders as two outsiders fighting the system. Just ignore that Sanders has been a senator for decades and Trump is the rich man who has been trying to buy off politicians for decades. He IS the money in politics that Sanders supporters have been trying to fight.
It's not genuine, but it's expected. If Sanders had the votes to win, Trump would still be trying to drive a wedge between the two, but would be courting Clinton supporters instead.
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it will work because many sanders hamsters are fueled by anger and hatred, without quite the grasp of precise ills.
and ny state politics is incredibly corrupt, especially anything to do with permits and land.
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How funny would it be if the #NeverTrump movement fully jumped behind Bernie to screw over Clinton and Trump?
On May 04 2016 18:43 RenSC2 wrote:He's just saying whatever he can say to bring Sanders supporters under his umbrella. He will now go into overdrive trying to paint himself with the same brush as Sanders as two outsiders fighting the system. Just ignore that Sanders has been a senator for decades and Trump is the rich man who has been trying to buy off politicians for decades. He IS the money in politics that Sanders supporters have been trying to fight. It's not genuine, but it's expected. If Sanders had the votes to win, Trump would still be trying to drive a wedge between the two, but would be courting Clinton supporters instead.
I find it funny that Republicans would rather choose between Clinton and a former supporter of hers than give Bernie a chance (to presumably do no harm since no one would work with him).
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funny and screwing hillary are clearly the top priorities here
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On May 04 2016 19:02 GreenHorizons wrote:How funny would it be if the #NeverTrump movement fully jumped behind Bernie to screw over Clinton and Trump? Show nested quote +On May 04 2016 18:43 RenSC2 wrote:He's just saying whatever he can say to bring Sanders supporters under his umbrella. He will now go into overdrive trying to paint himself with the same brush as Sanders as two outsiders fighting the system. Just ignore that Sanders has been a senator for decades and Trump is the rich man who has been trying to buy off politicians for decades. He IS the money in politics that Sanders supporters have been trying to fight. It's not genuine, but it's expected. If Sanders had the votes to win, Trump would still be trying to drive a wedge between the two, but would be courting Clinton supporters instead. I find it funny that Republicans would rather choose between Clinton and a former supporter of hers than give Bernie a chance (to presumably do no harm since no one would work with him).
They are still trying to repeal the ACA, in what universe would they ever want Bernie in charge?
With the narrative they have led for over a decade you think they would ever for even a moment consider putting a socialist/communist in the white house?
They would sooner pick Kim Jong-un
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On May 04 2016 19:31 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2016 19:02 GreenHorizons wrote:How funny would it be if the #NeverTrump movement fully jumped behind Bernie to screw over Clinton and Trump? On May 04 2016 18:43 RenSC2 wrote:He's just saying whatever he can say to bring Sanders supporters under his umbrella. He will now go into overdrive trying to paint himself with the same brush as Sanders as two outsiders fighting the system. Just ignore that Sanders has been a senator for decades and Trump is the rich man who has been trying to buy off politicians for decades. He IS the money in politics that Sanders supporters have been trying to fight. It's not genuine, but it's expected. If Sanders had the votes to win, Trump would still be trying to drive a wedge between the two, but would be courting Clinton supporters instead. I find it funny that Republicans would rather choose between Clinton and a former supporter of hers than give Bernie a chance (to presumably do no harm since no one would work with him). They are still trying to repeal the ACA, in what universe would they ever want Bernie in charge? With the narrative they have led for over a decade you think they would ever for even a moment consider putting a socialist/communist in the white house? They would sooner pick Kim Jong-un
If everyone has been right about what a Sanders presidency would actually look like, it would be the best harm reduction strategy for Republicans regardless of how much they disagree on policy.
If they genuinely think Trump has no chance, then a Bernie presidency and congressional gridlock is the best they can hope for. If people are right about Hillary's ability to sway/leverage Republicans and work the system, than she would do much more damage than Bernie would with no Republican or Democratic support.
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