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Sermokala
United States13750 Posts
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On May 04 2016 11:38 Sermokala wrote: If it survived 2008 it'll survive trump. Yeah John McCain didn't call for the mass deportation of tens of millions, the clamping down of media that disparage said nominee if he becomes President, or the possible setup of interment camps of Muslims. | ||
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pmh
1351 Posts
Their beloved Hillary will have some serious competition in November. They where all hoping for cruz off course but that free win is gone now. The closer we get to November,the bigger the heat will get. People will start getting nervous and I do expect a few suprises before the election starts. Maybe the democratic party is in a bigger mess then the republican party atm. They will loose Obama and no matter how much you like Clinton,she doesn't have the appeal and authority that Obama has,its not even close. The democratic party has to cope with a conflict between generations. The old establishement generation and the young and new generation who seems to be more liberal then their ancestors. They have to find a way to appeal to that generation or else they will loose them. Maybe not this election but definitely the next election. The thing with Clinton is that she is not a likeable person. Trump you can hate or love, but Clinton you can just hate or feel nothing. No appeal,no charisma. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43799 Posts
On May 04 2016 12:02 pmh wrote: Democrats must be shitting their pants now. Their beloved Hillary will have some serious competition in November. They where all hoping for cruz off course but that free win is gone now. The closer we get to November,the bigger the heat will get. People will start getting nervous and I do expect a few suprises before the election starts. Maybe the democratic party is in a bigger mess then the republican party atm. They will loose Obama and no matter how much you like Clinton,she doesn't have the appeal and authority that Obama has,its not even close. The democratic party has to cope with a conflict between generations. The old establishement generation and the young and new generation who seems to be more liberal then their ancestors. They have to find a way to appeal to that generation or else they will loose them. Maybe not this election but definitely the next election. The thing with Clinton is that she is not a likeable person. Trump you can hate or love, but Clinton you can just hate or feel nothing. No appeal,no charisma. Are you being serious? Just wondering. | ||
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pmh
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Ok the bolded parts:shitting their pants is a matter of speaking off course but am pretty sure the democrats would have preferd cruz. And I do think that the closer we will get to November,the more the democrats will be starting to worry. As for being in a bigger mess then the republicans,No not realy I would say its about equal. I do realize this forum is a stronghold of democratic conservatives who mostly support Clinton. Quick to point out the failures of the republican party without looking at potential problems in their own party. There is a big gap between the younger generation of democrats and the establishment,bernie did prove that at least to me.They can still unite in their "hate" against trump but once the common enemy is gone the difference will surface. Maybe it will even surface this election,it depends on how loyal sanders supporters are to Clinton. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
The fact that Trump is the winner when he goes against a significant portion of what the R party stands for, is kind of an issue. He's much more liberal than most of them. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
On May 04 2016 10:53 xDaunt wrote: This election is not going to be decided by Hillary's strength. She is demonstrably weak, which should be obvious to everyone given Bernie's performance. Bernie's performance indicates he's a serious candidate who should be treated as such. I still don't understand why people think Bernie wouldn't be stronger against Trump than Clinton-- even disregarding overwhelming polling data suggesting such. He would pick up every traditional voting bloc + the blue collar/independents who are more likely to go for Trump if Clinton is the Dem nominee. Anyways, Clinton would have this in the bag if the nominee were Cruz. Yall can laugh at Trump all you want, making the same mistake the other 16 GOPers did in the process. Don't think this man won't triangulate | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On May 04 2016 12:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Which is why the Democratic Party must accept some of Sanders platforms like Drug legalization, Universal Healthcare, price controls for prescription drugs etc. Or they will implode in a few years. MSNBC pointed out a very important point though about the platform. Does anyone actually read or care whats in a party platform? It isnt binding it does not actually matter so they could put whatever he wants in there platform and it will not actually matter which is why they usually write those just to hype up a base that cares for a few minutes then forgets but the average person has no idea. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On May 04 2016 12:09 LegalLord wrote: I don't think John Rambo McCain is as polarizing as Trump. Very bad as a general election candidate, and he would have lost anyways even if he wasn't because of the Bush fallout, but he didn't seem to split the party (the Obama-Hillary split was more notable). The fact that Trump is the winner when he goes against a significant portion of what the R party stands for, is kind of an issue. He's much more liberal than most of them. Why keep people saying this? He isn't anything, he is a reality TV billionaire and contradicts himself every second sentence. There is absolutely no basis to make any claim about what Trump will do, which is probably enough reason to not vote for him in the first place | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
Yeah, that's dead now, officially. The conservatives have now elected, to be the leader of the free world, a man with no experiencing in governing, and is mostly famous for having a cancerous personality. Why? Why? The problem, I think, is conservatives want what they've been taught to believe in as a "true conservative", and they are frustrated to not find any... But their definition of a "true conservative" is someone who doesn't exist and never should exist. Because reality will always get in the way. You want a flat income tax (why?), you want to expand the military (why?), you want to destroy social safety nets (why?). Well, sorry, all those things together are a fucking disaster in the making. Republicans are right to feel betrayed by their party. But not knowing what to do with their intellectually-bankrupt ideology, they voted for someone based purely on salesmanship. And it isn't even good salesmanship. Just... SMH. Unbelievable. What an embarrassment for our country. As if Dubya wasn't bad enough. I'm now praying for Hillary, and I don't even like her. I just don't want America to be the next Big Asshole of the World, even though the Republicans just voted for exactly that. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On May 04 2016 12:13 Adreme wrote: MSNBC pointed out a very important point though about the platform. Does anyone actually read or care whats in a party platform? It isnt binding it does not actually matter so they could put whatever he wants in there platform and it will not actually matter which is why they usually write those just to hype up a base that cares for a few minutes then forgets but the average person has no idea. Millennials the generation that now outnumbers the baby boomers and others as well. Also more educated, and Socialist who support paid family leave, and less religious. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On May 04 2016 12:16 Nyxisto wrote: Why keep people saying this? He isn't anything, he is a reality TV billionaire and contradicts himself every second sentence. There is absolutely no basis to make any claim about what Trump will do, which is probably enough reason to not vote for him in the first place And yet nonsense beats out whatever else the other R candidates are selling. What does that tell you? He is somewhat consistent on a few issues, at least broadly: fewer trade deals and less outsourcing, lower FP involvement, the wall/remove illegals, and making America great again. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On May 04 2016 12:19 Leporello wrote: Anyone know that old adage, "If you are not a liberal at 25, you have no heart. If you are not a conservative at 35, you have no brain"? Yeah, that's dead now, officially. The conservatives have now elected, to be the leader of the free world, a man with no experiencing in governing, and is mostly famous for having a cancerous personality. Why? Why? The problem, I think, is conservatives want what they've been taught to believe in as a "true conservative", and they are frustrated to not find any... But their definition of a "true conservative" is someone who doesn't exist and never should exist. Because reality will always get in the way. You want a flat income tax (why?), you want to expand the military (why?), you want to destroy social safety nets (why?). Well, sorry, all those things together are a fucking disaster in the making. Republicans are right to feel betrayed by their party. But not knowing what to do with their intellectually-bankrupt ideology, they voted for someone based purely on salesmanship. And it isn't even good salesmanship. Just... SMH. Unbelievable. What an embarrassment for our country. As if Dubya wasn't bad enough. I'm now praying for Hillary, and I don't even like her. I just don't want America to be the next Big Asshole of the World, even though the Republicans just voted for exactly that. This...forever this. | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
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Introvert
United States4659 Posts
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On May 04 2016 12:12 darthfoley wrote: Bernie's performance indicates he's a serious candidate who should be treated as such. I still don't understand why people think Bernie wouldn't be stronger against Trump than Clinton-- even disregarding overwhelming polling data suggesting such. He would pick up every traditional voting bloc + the blue collar/independents who are more likely to go for Trump if Clinton is the Dem nominee. Anyways, Clinton would have this in the bag if the nominee were Cruz. Yall can laugh at Trump all you want, making the same mistake the other 16 GOPers did in the process. Don't think this man won't triangulate See here, third reason. Also, Clinton will obliterate Trump, even though there will be moments of "doubt". She'll likely win in November by at least four points, and many electoral votes. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On May 04 2016 12:30 Introvert wrote: Trump has always done well with moderates, and often lost "very conservative." So that doesn't explain Trump either. Man reading liberal analysis on this stuff is always hilarious. Trump is going to rape and pillage the traditional blue dog/moderate democrat voting groups. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On May 04 2016 12:20 LegalLord wrote: And yet nonsense beats out whatever else the other R candidates are selling. What does that tell you? He is somewhat consistent on a few issues, at least broadly: fewer trade deals and less outsourcing, lower FP involvement, the wall/remove illegals, and making America great again. I dont know if a slogan counts as an issue. Its like saying Obama was consistent on yes we can. | ||
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