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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4750 Posts
May 04 2016 03:33 GMT
#74581
On May 04 2016 12:32 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 12:30 Introvert wrote:
Trump has always done well with moderates, and often lost "very conservative." So that doesn't explain Trump either. Man reading liberal analysis on this stuff is always hilarious.

Trump is going to rape and pillage the traditional blue dog/moderate democrat voting groups.


I'll put it this way: it's his best hope.
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levelping
Profile Joined May 2010
Singapore759 Posts
May 04 2016 03:35 GMT
#74582
On May 04 2016 11:38 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 11:30 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Tomorrow's cover.

[image loading]

Eh, it's way overstated. It's be more accurate showing the elephant getting a makeover.

But whatever. Fuck the GOP. Those idiots are reaping what they sowed.


It is pretty close I think. If the GOP had gone to a contested convention, and the nomination had gone to Cruz (or anyone who is not Trump), this would have fractured the GOP, possibly beyond recovery. The angry tea party/ultra conservative types will never forgive the party leadership/party "insiders".

They are actually quite fortunate that Trump won decisively.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
May 04 2016 03:36 GMT
#74583
Finally, a specific xDaunt general election prediction!

Excellent
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 04 2016 03:38 GMT
#74584
On May 04 2016 12:20 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 12:16 Nyxisto wrote:
On May 04 2016 12:09 LegalLord wrote:
I don't think John Rambo McCain is as polarizing as Trump. Very bad as a general election candidate, and he would have lost anyways even if he wasn't because of the Bush fallout, but he didn't seem to split the party (the Obama-Hillary split was more notable).

The fact that Trump is the winner when he goes against a significant portion of what the R party stands for, is kind of an issue. He's much more liberal than most of them.


Why keep people saying this? He isn't anything, he is a reality TV billionaire and contradicts himself every second sentence. There is absolutely no basis to make any claim about what Trump will do, which is probably enough reason to not vote for him in the first place

And yet nonsense beats out whatever else the other R candidates are selling. What does that tell you?

He is somewhat consistent on a few issues, at least broadly: fewer trade deals and less outsourcing, lower FP involvement, the wall/remove illegals, and making America great again.

This is because the GOP all the lowest approval ratings in the history of the party, a total lack of leadership, lack of direction, inability to pass any bills or legislation. And they have been like this for 4-6 years.

Trump won in a field of the biggest losers the GOP could throw out there. This is the game group of people who didn't think Romney wasn't going to get dumpstered election night. Its easy to win against a group of people with no vision or leadership skills.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44327 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 03:49:36
May 04 2016 03:40 GMT
#74585
On May 04 2016 12:07 pmh wrote:
Yes I am serious, feel free to offer any criticism and point out where I am wrong.

Ok the bolded parts:shitting their pants is a matter of speaking off course but am pretty sure the democrats would have preferd cruz. And I do think that the closer we will get to November,the more the democrats will be starting to worry.

As for being in a bigger mess then the republicans,No not realy I would say its about equal.
I do realize this forum is a stronghold of democratic conservatives who mostly support Clinton. Quick to point out the failures of the republican party without looking at potential problems in their own party.
There is a big gap between the younger generation of democrats and the establishment,bernie did prove that at least to me.They can still unite in their "hate" against trump but once the common enemy is gone the difference will surface.
Maybe it will even surface this election,it depends on how loyal sanders supporters are to Clinton.


The Democratic Party would have definitely preferred Cruz because it would have been an easier win; I agree with you. But really, this guarantees that we won't have a Republican in the White House (neither Hillary nor Trump is a Republican). Even if Trump wins, which would be awful for our country, it's the Republicans who are going to take the rap for him, and surely Democrats will come out looking just fine. Democrats either win a third Obama term (Hillary wins) or they win a free four years to trash the Republican party (Trump wins); they'd prefer the former, but I don't think Trump is as hellbent in undoing as many of Obama's policies as Cruz would do. Ten steps backwards isn't as bad as twenty.

Also, I'm not sure why you think the Democratic party is in a mess, let alone a bigger mess than the Republicans. Save for a minority of young and stubborn Bernie supporters, the Hillary and Bernie camps and voters have already started uniting on the same front (Liz Warren and a bunch of other Democrats have been very vocal about organizing the supporters together and voting for the eventual victor of the Democratic primary). Yes, it's split 60-40 (or whatever) in favor of Hillary, but she's moved left (thanks to Bernie) and both candidates could certainly govern our country far better than any of the countless Republican primary dropouts/ Trump/ Kasich. The Republicans have no identity at the moment; the toughest thing that the Democrats need to do right now is figure out who the ideal runningmate for Hillary would be... enthusiasm/ charisma + slightly less establishment/ more idealistic = pretty much guaranteed victory in November imo. Or hell, just pick Joe Biden again lol. (He's probably too old though tbh.) Can we steal Justin Trudeau? This made me wet (for a politician): + Show Spoiler +
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 04 2016 03:57 GMT
#74586
Its like Canada is taunting us with him. Just taunting us, whispering into our ear "You can never have this. You will never elect someone like this."
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
May 04 2016 04:03 GMT
#74587
Why are people so fascinated by that?
The guy was asking reporters to ask him about quantum computing so he can spew off his rehearsed answer. Why do you guys fall for this?
+ Show Spoiler +
© Current year.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 04 2016 04:05 GMT
#74588
On May 04 2016 12:57 Plansix wrote:
Its like Canada is taunting us with him. Just taunting us, whispering into our ear "You can never have this. You will never elect someone like this."


We had Obama
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 04 2016 04:05 GMT
#74589
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 04:11:12
May 04 2016 04:06 GMT
#74590
Bro, do you see our choices? That man is well spoken, intelligent, and excited about innovation. Like earnestly excited. We get Trump, a man who can't stop talking about how awesome he is.

Edit: holy shit, who is this garbage YouTube clown? Why the fuck should I every listen to George 2.0 from Seinfeld?
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 04 2016 04:08 GMT
#74591
On May 04 2016 13:05 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 12:57 Plansix wrote:
Its like Canada is taunting us with him. Just taunting us, whispering into our ear "You can never have this. You will never elect someone like this."


We had Obama

And crazy uncle Joe, who I will miss. God, what a guy, even with all the shit that happened to him.
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levelping
Profile Joined May 2010
Singapore759 Posts
May 04 2016 04:08 GMT
#74592
On May 04 2016 13:03 CorsairHero wrote:
Why are people so fascinated by that?
The guy was asking reporters to ask him about quantum computing so he can spew off his rehearsed answer. Why do you guys fall for this?
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FZzhI3WyKA


We know it's not entirely original. But you know what, he bothered to make an effort to show that as a politician, scientific development is important on his agenda. AND more importantly he is using his position as a famous person to show that science can (and should) be understood by everyone, and that it is not just some theoretical castle in the sky for scientists.

Now take a long look at the alternatives in the USA. Where politicians actively deny science, and promote a culture of anti-intellectualism that allows idiots to be in charge of the country.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
May 04 2016 04:20 GMT
#74593
On May 04 2016 13:06 Plansix wrote:
Bro, do you see our choices? That man is well spoken, intelligent, and excited about innovation. Like earnestly excited. We get Trump, a man who can't stop talking about how awesome he is.

Edit: holy shit, who is this garbage YouTube clown? Why the fuck should I every listen to George 2.0 from Seinfeld?

i dunno, they're a right wing media group though fyi
1:57 is what im referring to

In general I do approve of the job hes done so far and would pick him over your american equivalent
© Current year.
CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 04:45:43
May 04 2016 04:39 GMT
#74594
The republicans are going to nominate a guy who earnestly thought that the birthers were onto something. I don't know what I expected but it's kind of pathetic. Lamest part is watching Republicans roll over and die while some buffoon hijacks their party.
Xialos
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada508 Posts
May 04 2016 04:44 GMT
#74595
Hey guys, I am kind of confused right now. I heard that Donald Trump is going to be the main opponent of Clinton for the presidential election. lol

As a canadian, I watched 2 or 3 of his speeches/debates, and honestly, I thought the guy was a comedian or something. What’s happening guys? Why is he the front runner of a major party, do people really voted for this dude ;O. Maybe I missed something, I dont know… On the other hand he is pretty funny, I must admit. I almost died laughing the last time I heard him, I thought his goal was to entertain people though….. That’s why i’m like wtf right now ;o

I guess it’s a free win for Clinton then?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15689 Posts
May 04 2016 04:50 GMT
#74596
On May 04 2016 13:44 Xialos wrote:
Hey guys, I am kind of confused right now. I heard that Donald Trump is going to be the main opponent of Clinton for the presidential election. lol

As a canadian, I watched 2 or 3 of his speeches/debates, and honestly, I thought the guy was a comedian or something. What’s happening guys? Why is he the front runner of a major party, do people really voted for this dude ;O. Maybe I missed something, I dont know… On the other hand he is pretty funny, I must admit. I almost died laughing the last time I heard him, I thought his goal was to entertain people though….. That’s why i’m like wtf right now ;o

I guess it’s a free win for Clinton then?


His base just kinda keeps growing and I don't think anyone has a good idea as to if it can ever stop o.0
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16707 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 05:05:19
May 04 2016 04:57 GMT
#74597
not sure if this belongs here or not...

1 of NY state's most powerful politicians is getting 12 years in jail for millions in kickbacks
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-new-york-corruption-idUSKCN0XU0TL?il=0

if it was more than $25 million i'd tell him to give half of it back and let him skate.

what can i say.. i'm soft on crime.

On May 04 2016 13:44 Xialos wrote:
Hey guys, I am kind of confused right now. I heard that Donald Trump is going to be the main opponent of Clinton for the presidential election. lol

As a canadian, I watched 2 or 3 of his speeches/debates, and honestly, I thought the guy was a comedian or something. What’s happening guys? Why is he the front runner of a major party, do people really voted for this dude ;O. Maybe I missed something, I dont know… On the other hand he is pretty funny, I must admit. I almost died laughing the last time I heard him, I thought his goal was to entertain people though….. That’s why i’m like wtf right now ;o

I guess it’s a free win for Clinton then?


USA has a bit of a history of entertainers becoming big time leaders. Jesse Ventura and Ronald Reagan come to mind. from what i've read about these 2 guys they did a good job.
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Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 05:04:33
May 04 2016 05:02 GMT
#74598
No it is not a free win. Trump invokes a sort of nationalism that has been festering beneath the surface. Get rid of foreigners that are invading America. Bring back jobs that Americans deserve. Plays into his brand of individualism (fuck you, get mine), and playing the macho-man card (said many sexist remarks to prop himself up). He is the nominee for being the president of the United States, and is foul-mouthed, crude, and swings his statements in literally minutes, saying whatever pops up in that brain of his. It is not even that he has put any rational thought into his statements, he says it because he can, and will. That being said, he is quite street smart, and knows how to pick his fights.
I post only when my brain works.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
May 04 2016 05:15 GMT
#74599
Well, polls for all future R primary races are now worthless. I'm quite curious how it will all turn out in a two-man race. Will Kasich lose to the ghost of past contenders again?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
May 04 2016 05:17 GMT
#74600
Kasich is like 4th in a 2 man race.
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