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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22474 Posts
May 04 2016 10:45 GMT
#74621
On May 04 2016 19:37 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 19:31 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 04 2016 19:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 04 2016 18:30 zatic wrote:
On May 04 2016 18:14 Bswhunter wrote:
My biggest regret this year is not having a Bernie / Trump race. I would probably watch that debate a hundred times over.

The Donald agrees


How funny would it be if the #NeverTrump movement fully jumped behind Bernie to screw over Clinton and Trump?

On May 04 2016 18:43 RenSC2 wrote:
On May 04 2016 18:30 zatic wrote:
On May 04 2016 18:14 Bswhunter wrote:
My biggest regret this year is not having a Bernie / Trump race. I would probably watch that debate a hundred times over.

The Donald agrees
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/727791165341356032

He's just saying whatever he can say to bring Sanders supporters under his umbrella. He will now go into overdrive trying to paint himself with the same brush as Sanders as two outsiders fighting the system. Just ignore that Sanders has been a senator for decades and Trump is the rich man who has been trying to buy off politicians for decades. He IS the money in politics that Sanders supporters have been trying to fight.

It's not genuine, but it's expected. If Sanders had the votes to win, Trump would still be trying to drive a wedge between the two, but would be courting Clinton supporters instead.


I find it funny that Republicans would rather choose between Clinton and a former supporter of hers than give Bernie a chance (to presumably do no harm since no one would work with him).

They are still trying to repeal the ACA, in what universe would they ever want Bernie in charge?

With the narrative they have led for over a decade you think they would ever for even a moment consider putting a socialist/communist in the white house?

They would sooner pick Kim Jong-un


If everyone has been right about what a Sanders presidency would actually look like, it would be the best harm reduction strategy for Republicans regardless of how much they disagree on policy.

If they genuinely think Trump has no chance, then a Bernie presidency and congressional gridlock is the best they can hope for. If people are right about Hillary's ability to sway/leverage Republicans and work the system, than she would do much more damage than Bernie would with no Republican or Democratic support.

Have we been following the same election?
GOP "harm reduction strategy"?
good joke. (not really)
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11583 Posts
May 04 2016 12:57 GMT
#74622
On May 04 2016 14:17 DannyJ wrote:
Kasich is like 4th in a 2 man race.

Haha. Very funny... and very true.
Moderator5000 of our finest Taliban warriors have been released! Rise up my brothers. Mashalla! al-Donald ibn-Frederick al-Masih allows it.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
May 04 2016 13:37 GMT
#74623
There is no "harm reduction" strategy available. There's supreme court justices on the line... and the country.

Non Trump users are just increasingly nervous men
http://www.theonion.com/article/will-be-end-trumps-campaign-says-increasingly-nerv-52002
+ Show Spoiler +


I hope Bernie supporters move to Europe. With all that time and money they threw at Bernies campaign they could have learned German and tried their chances over there.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 13:46:27
May 04 2016 13:45 GMT
#74624
I don't think the current slot will still be open come next January unless the GOP can finagle a commitment from Trump to pick someone they like. He's clearly not a strict constructionist or much of a social conservative (and also doesn't seem to check much of his work when it comes to researching individuals), and I don't think they can guarantee they'll end up with someone better than Garland from a Trump presidency and could end up with someone much worse.

Maybe they're not organized enough to make that decision or I'm just reading the tea leaves wrong, though.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
May 04 2016 14:53 GMT
#74625
Trump can nominate his sister.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 04 2016 14:59 GMT
#74626
Looking back to when the Republican presidential primary kicked off in earnest last year, Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus said that he never expected Donald Trump to become the presumptive nominee but suggested that the billionaire businessman’s success is probably good for the party.

“You know what, I think something different and something new is probably good for our party,” Priebus said Wednesday on CNN, a day after he tweeted that Trump will be the presumptive nominee and called for unity against Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton. “Look, I don’t think anyone predicted what happened. So, look, we’re here. We’re going to get behind the presumptive nominee.”

Trump’s decisive victory in Indiana on Tuesday effectively ended Ted Cruz’s presidential campaign, knocking out the candidate best positioned to stop him from claiming the nomination at a contested convention if he fell short of accruing a majority of delegates before July.

Cruz’s decision to bow out of the race was “very gracious,” Priebus said. “I was surprised, and it’s a hard thing to do. I mean, he ran a very, very serious operation. Just an incredible ground game. His delegate operation was unbelievable, and I was surprised. But now, you know, you’d have to say that it’s pretty obvious that Donald Trump is going to get to 1,237. But he’s got to do it, though.”


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18374 Posts
May 04 2016 15:01 GMT
#74627
On May 04 2016 22:37 SK.Testie wrote:
There is no "harm reduction" strategy available. There's supreme court justices on the line... and the country.

Non Trump users are just increasingly nervous men
http://www.theonion.com/article/will-be-end-trumps-campaign-says-increasingly-nerv-52002
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiJYGV8faZw&feature=youtu.be


I hope Bernie supporters move to Europe. With all that time and money they threw at Bernies campaign they could have learned German and tried their chances over there.

Did you just cite The Onion as a serious source? 😨
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 04 2016 15:05 GMT
#74628
On May 05 2016 00:01 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 22:37 SK.Testie wrote:
There is no "harm reduction" strategy available. There's supreme court justices on the line... and the country.

Non Trump users are just increasingly nervous men
http://www.theonion.com/article/will-be-end-trumps-campaign-says-increasingly-nerv-52002
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiJYGV8faZw&feature=youtu.be


I hope Bernie supporters move to Europe. With all that time and money they threw at Bernies campaign they could have learned German and tried their chances over there.

Did you just cite The Onion as a serious source? 😨

I am surprised it took people this long to point that out.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 04 2016 15:10 GMT
#74629
One in six employers of domestic workers fails to pay the minimum wage in California, according to unprecedented research on workers who are often left behind when cities and states reform labor laws and raise wages.

In the first study of its kind on an industry that typically avoids scrutiny, researchers with the University of California Los Angeles Labor Center found that out of two million domestic employers in the state – those who hire people for house cleaning, home care support and childcare – roughly 17% violate the minimum wage law.

That means as many as 340,000 workers could be making below minimum wage, according to the report published Wednesday, which was shared exclusively with the Guardian and marks the first comprehensive survey of domestic work employers in the state.

“It’s an industry and a workforce that was historically left out of labor protections and labor policy,” said Saba Waheed, research director of the UCLA Labor Center and co-author of the study. “Socially and culturally, it’s a type of work that isn’t always valued.”

Although previous research has analyzed the experiences of domestic workers, the report – titled Profile, Practices, and Needs of California’s Domestic Work Employers – is the first large-scale survey of the people who hire these workers, with findings based on responses from a randomly selected pool of 501 people.

The report, which found that 16% of all households in California hire domestic workers in their homes, comes as cities and states across the country are moving to increase their minimum wages and provide mandatory sick days and parental leave.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
May 04 2016 15:13 GMT
#74630
isn't he just using the onions satire to make a point about what people have been saying in here for months? I think that's why nobody called him out on it lol
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
May 04 2016 15:16 GMT
#74631
Yeah I don't think Testie was trying to make a point, just using it in a "the_donald" (the far and away best subreddit ever made) sort of way.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 04 2016 15:38 GMT
#74632
Best Subreddit. An award you put right next to Best Dumpster Fire. And r/corgies is the best subreddit. Simple, to the point, as advertised.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 15:48:01
May 04 2016 15:47 GMT
#74633
On May 04 2016 22:37 SK.Testie wrote:
There is no "harm reduction" strategy available. There's supreme court justices on the line... and the country.

Non Trump users are just increasingly nervous men
http://www.theonion.com/article/will-be-end-trumps-campaign-says-increasingly-nerv-52002
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiJYGV8faZw&feature=youtu.be


I hope Bernie supporters move to Europe. With all that time and money they threw at Bernies campaign they could have learned German and tried their chances over there.


You hope that 40%+ of Democratic voters leave so that Trump can run the country and nominate Supreme Court justices?

I won't do you the disservice of assuming you mean what you wrote.
May the BeSt man win.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 04 2016 15:57 GMT
#74634
Looks like Kasich is going to suspend his campaign as well this afternoon.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
May 04 2016 15:59 GMT
#74635
On May 05 2016 00:47 Djabanete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 22:37 SK.Testie wrote:
There is no "harm reduction" strategy available. There's supreme court justices on the line... and the country.

Non Trump users are just increasingly nervous men
http://www.theonion.com/article/will-be-end-trumps-campaign-says-increasingly-nerv-52002
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiJYGV8faZw&feature=youtu.be


I hope Bernie supporters move to Europe. With all that time and money they threw at Bernies campaign they could have learned German and tried their chances over there.


You hope that 40%+ of Democratic voters leave so that Trump can run the country and nominate Supreme Court justices?

I won't do you the disservice of assuming you mean what you wrote.


I'm ready for Justice Mark Cuban.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 16:03:31
May 04 2016 16:02 GMT
#74636
On May 04 2016 23:53 andrewlt wrote:
Trump can nominate his sister.


His sister is not really distinct from Garland as a judge as far as I know. Just slightly less famous and maybe a bit more conservative. Nowhere near what the GOP would appoint themselves.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 04 2016 16:08 GMT
#74637
On May 05 2016 00:57 xDaunt wrote:
Looks like Kasich is going to suspend his campaign as well this afternoon.


Yup MSNBC just announced it
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
May 04 2016 16:25 GMT
#74638
On May 05 2016 01:02 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 23:53 andrewlt wrote:
Trump can nominate his sister.


His sister is not really distinct from Garland as a judge as far as I know. Just slightly less famous and maybe a bit more conservative. Nowhere near what the GOP would appoint themselves.


I didn't delve into it that deeply. I did get the same impression as you that she is qualified and more centrist than what Lucifer would have appointed if he managed to beat Trump.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
May 04 2016 16:28 GMT
#74639
On May 05 2016 01:08 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 00:57 xDaunt wrote:
Looks like Kasich is going to suspend his campaign as well this afternoon.


Yup MSNBC just announced it


CNBC also confirms this

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/04/john-kasich-campaign-latest-news.html
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 16:39:25
May 04 2016 16:37 GMT
#74640
So with Trump being the most vetted presidential candidate in history how does the Clinton campaign approach him? Literally everything has been thrown at him, people got so desperate that they resorted to using his great great grandfather (allegedly) changing his surname as a slur. Thats how desperate they got.

Every negative thing about him has been exposed and thoroughly talked about to oblivion and he has just gotten stronger and stronger. There will be nothing new and shocking, every negative thing has already been said and people have become numb to it.

Also he hasn't even started going after Hilary, and she barely held off Sanders. Hilary is basically the definition of 'skeletons in the closet'... there quite literally could be dead bodies in her closet and I wouldn't be surprised.
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