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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On March 16 2016 05:26 ErectedZenith wrote: They can't. Trump have leaked all of their resources without spending much himself. Its the nature of the beast. What? | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28715 Posts
Just look at this http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/trump-fact-check-errors-exaggerations-falsehoods-213730#_ga=1.9616181.163558985.1391020600 Guy is incapable of speaking for 5 minutes without making something up. I'm not attacking his competence, I'm not even attacking his policies (but I really disagree with him on nearly everything). I'm attacking, vehemently so, the notion that he is honest and trustworthy. It's a lie that he has said so many times that people have started believing it, and it's terrifying to me. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On March 16 2016 04:51 Mohdoo wrote: Things I'm looking forward to today: Bernie falling further behind Things I'm not looking forward to today: "Bernie Sanders manages AMAZING upset by only falling 10 points further behind! Can you say WHITE HOUSE? Say goodbye to the 1% and click here to see HOW Sanders is CHANGING modern day politics and destroying OLIGARCHY" What exactly is your personal problem with Bernie Sanders? I get that you support Hillary Clinton, but what did he do to you to make you hate him so? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Reality does not apply. He theorizes that Trump can outspend the GOP, which is only works if you believe the fantasy that Trump has spent nothing his campaign. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23491 Posts
I bet we could get better voter participation rates from several European countries in OUR election than we are in many places across this country. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On March 16 2016 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote: I wonder who's paying more attention to the US elections right now, American's or everyone else? I bet we could get better voter participation rates from several European countries in OUR election than we are in many places across this country. Primaries are not really elections so uh. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On March 16 2016 05:30 ZasZ. wrote: What exactly is your personal problem with Bernie Sanders? I get that you support Hillary Clinton, but what did he do to you to make you hate him so? I think he's a legitimately terrible candidate who has managed to gather a lot of youth support by telling them exactly what they want to hear, in an angry way. It's just our version of the tea party. | ||
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Monochromatic
United States998 Posts
On March 16 2016 05:01 Mohdoo wrote: I think Bernie will win all the states that he is slightly to somewhat behind in. I think Clinton will handily win Florida and that she will continue to have the dominance she needs, while still not having much more. I think this elections is just straight up different. People won't coalesce around a candidate until another drops out. I expect Clinton to get the nomination with 105% of the needed delegates. Edit: As I have said before, this is our country's first 4 party election. However, it is being run as a 4 person tournament. Winner of the "left" election faces the winner of the "right" election, but they are actual full on elections. Not just feeling out who seems good and then calling it. Edit #2: Not that it means much, but my mom has been a Bernie nut up until a couple days ago. She said Bernie officially went too insane and isn't actually making sense. She appreciates his message, but finally said he's just too far out there. My conversations with her went similar to my conversations with GH until now. This is not the USA's first four party election. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28715 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
lol, fair point. First modern 4 party election! | ||
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oBlade
United States5771 Posts
On March 16 2016 05:30 Plansix wrote: Reality does not apply. He theorizes that Trump can outspend the GOP, which is only works if you believe the fantasy that Trump has spent nothing his campaign. The point is that, if money were the issue, Jeb Bush would already be a 3-term president. You should be very happy that this election is showing the path to the White House can't be easily bought. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On March 16 2016 05:26 Doodsmack wrote: It seems your argument has a tendency to change in response to the counter points from others. Before you said the others were decidedly sleazier than Trump. It appears to me you have such a preconceived opinion against the establishment and media that Trump is an outlet for people like you to just be defiant. In the process, as an informed political activist you make incredible sacrifices in the quality of your candidate (assuming you support Trump) in order to fight against the establishment and media. It's not preconceived. It's from just living life listening to them for the last 15 years. You can literally tell when they go on the news and when they are openly lying. There's a long list of lies in the attacks on Trump and the really genuine set-up to paint him as something he's not very often. The people voting for him are the ones seeing through that. On March 16 2016 05:29 Liquid`Drone wrote: Testie, I've never said that Trump is stupid. I say he is a liar. You said he was telling the truth, I say he makes up stuff. He inflates every number that makes himself or his message seem positive and deflates every number that makes someone else look positive or himself or his policies look negative. And they don't all do this. Yes Ted Cruz, and okay, if your argument is that 'Trump is better than Cruz' then fuck it, I'm not gonna bother arguing. Just look at this http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/trump-fact-check-errors-exaggerations-falsehoods-213730#_ga=1.9616181.163558985.1391020600 Guy is incapable of speaking for 5 minutes without making something up. I'm not attacking his competence, I'm not even attacking his policies (but I really disagree with him on nearly everything). I'm attacking, vehemently so, the notion that he is honest and trustworthy. It's a lie that he has said so many times that people have started believing it, and it's terrifying to me. The honesty angle comes from his base. Which are hyper informed reactionaries that believe capitalism isn't perfect but it's the best we've got so far. He speaks his mind, he doesn't talk like other politicians, he's talked about issues they are simply too afraid to even admit, let alone tackle. Where does the honesty angle comes from? Because they see him as speaking a lot of truth and then they see that truth misrepresented and distorted by the media. So they rally even closer to him. There's some really choice examples that are really great for this. As soon as way too many people compared him to Hitler, those people lost the publics trust and that trust was thrown more into Trump. ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUqZoumWsAAnupz.jpg) | ||
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ErectedZenith
325 Posts
On March 16 2016 05:37 oBlade wrote: The point is that, if money were the issue, Jeb Bush would already be a 3-term president. You should be very happy that this election is showing the path to the White House can't be easily bought. P6 is having a hard time believing this which is funny to witness. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On March 16 2016 05:37 oBlade wrote: The point is that, if money were the issue, Jeb Bush would already be a 3-term president. You should be very happy that this election is showing the path to the White House can't be easily bought. Depends. It's been proven that money isn't the only thing you need to win, but it is something you need. There isn't a single candidate who made it past Iowa and NH who didn't have money. Even Kasich had millions of dollars in his pocket plus support from Super PACs. His Hail Mary strategy of "Fight over a select group of states and pray" wouldn't be possible if he had Jill Stein, Jim Gilmore, or Lincoln Chafee's funds (even combined!). As nice as it is to know that money can't outright buy an election, the barrier for entry is still ridiculously high (unless you casually have $20+ million sitting around). | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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frazzle
United States468 Posts
On March 16 2016 04:20 wei2coolman wrote: Association = character assassination. I mean, it should be pretty obvious by now, especially in this election cycle. Exactly. Which is why neither she nor the Republicans ever made a stink about Obama being on the same board as Bill Ayers once, or going to Reverend Wright's church. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On March 16 2016 06:03 ticklishmusic wrote: A more tongue-in-cheek example is that Bernie has outspent (by a lot) and outraised (by a decent amount) Hillary in the last few months and is 200+ delegates behind. Link/source? | ||
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CannonsNCarriers
United States638 Posts
On March 16 2016 05:29 Liquid`Drone wrote: Testie, I've never said that Trump is stupid. I say he is a liar. You said he was telling the truth, I say he makes up stuff. He inflates every number that makes himself or his message seem positive and deflates every number that makes someone else look positive or himself or his policies look negative. And they don't all do this. Yes Ted Cruz, and okay, if your argument is that 'Trump is better than Cruz' then fuck it, I'm not gonna bother arguing. Just look at this http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/trump-fact-check-errors-exaggerations-falsehoods-213730#_ga=1.9616181.163558985.1391020600 Guy is incapable of speaking for 5 minutes without making something up. I'm not attacking his competence, I'm not even attacking his policies (but I really disagree with him on nearly everything). I'm attacking, vehemently so, the notion that he is honest and trustworthy. It's a lie that he has said so many times that people have started believing it, and it's terrifying to me. But he speaks his mind and says what I am feeling but cannot say ... | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On March 16 2016 05:36 Liquid`Drone wrote: Norwegian media arguably gives the american election better coverage than the norwegian election (with the exception of tv debates). This is partially because Norwegian politicians are actually competent politicians, with the side effect that following Norwegian politics is a boring chore, and partially because people are legitimately afraid of President Trump. If this was an election between Kasich and Clinton, there would still be a fair amount of coverage, but it's largely just Trump. Sanders got a lot of coverage early on, because we were both shocked to find an actual social democrat in the running and flattered that the greatest country on earth saw that our policies were better than theirs in several ways, but he hasn't been getting much as of late. Trump still on the front page of my goto-online newspaper though. In Netherlands we have the the PVV but honestly The drama The "extreme" views The Donald The anti-establishment canidates The money The merchandise The american flags being waved everywhere. There is even a race on a state per state basis so you can gradually see how the competition unfolds. American politics hella entertaining compared to Dutch ones, we are too nice and don't have enough cash to throw around. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On March 16 2016 06:03 ticklishmusic wrote: A more tongue-in-cheek example is that Bernie has outspent (by a lot) and outraised (by a decent amount) Hillary in the last few months and is 200+ delegates behind. maybe he'd be 400 behind if he didn't spend. | ||
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