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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
March 08 2016 23:10 GMT
#64581
On March 09 2016 08:03 farvacola wrote:
Msu's campus paper fucking sucks but yeah, the college voter antipathy is real.


Aww I always thought it was pretty good when I was there. Nothing super special but respectable.
Never Knows Best.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 08 2016 23:11 GMT
#64582
On March 09 2016 07:49 trulojucreathrma.com wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2016 07:25 oneofthem wrote:
nah pakistan didn't get nukes with u.s. approval. they got it from china.


They got pieces from the US, from the Netherlands and figured the rest out themselves.
The Dutch government wanted to apprehend the spy, Khan, that stole the technology, but the US intervened at the last moment at the very highest level, president to prime minister, and Khan was able to board a plane back to Pakistan.
The rest is history.
Question remains if US letting Khan escape was intentional or just incompetence.

Either way, the US supported Pakistani dictators all the way through. Read up Zia-ul-Haq. He is the cause of 70% of the problems in that region.

They are also the most dangerous nuclear state. Far more dangerous than N Korea. And remember, Iran doesn't even have a nuclear weapons program, as far as we know.


ISI didn't run a tight ship. One sector of the ISI was killing the Pakistani prime minster, who was an ISI agent himself, because he was of the wrong wrong sector of the ISI.

i've not read that little story about aq khan. even without him pakistan would have gotten the nuke though.

ISI conducted counterintelligence vs outside intelligence actors around its nuclear program, was very successful in doing so.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
trulojucreathrma.com
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
United States327 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-08 23:23:09
March 08 2016 23:18 GMT
#64583
Sure, that Khan wasn't the most important Khan, but the proper centrifuge technology is crucial for a successful nuclear programme.


At this point, almost any nation can get a nuclear weapon if they are set on it. You need to be somewhat industrialized and have a central government that has some stability. If North Korea can do it, almost anyone can. There's like 50 to a 100 countries that can develop nuclear weapons within 6 months.

The hard thing at this point actually seems to develop a an intercontinental ballistic missile.
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
March 08 2016 23:42 GMT
#64584
On March 09 2016 08:18 trulojucreathrma.com wrote:
Sure, that Khan wasn't the most important Khan...


Yeah. Barely conquered any of Asia at all.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-08 23:52:46
March 08 2016 23:45 GMT
#64585
On March 09 2016 05:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2016 04:46 radscorpion9 wrote:
Hey did you guys play the CNN 2016 Candidate matchmaker? As an outsider who has a very light knowledge on most of these issues, I thought it did a good job of keeping things simple, but deep enough to have meaningful differences.

I got good old Hillary Clinton, with O'Malley in second. I think I'm happy with that, Hillary is pretty cool. But I certainly wouldn't mind Sanders either (he came in third).

Here's the link in case anyone's interested. Its fun

CNN Matchmaker

edit: Also wow, I tried picking the most die-hard conservative answers, like climate change is a hoax, and apparently Rubio agrees completely? I had no idea.


Isidewith seems much better.

https://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential-quiz

http://i.imgur.com/mU4J52l.png
http://i.imgur.com/k5uoq78.png
Yup, that's pretty much exactly where I'd say I stand with the candidates (except it says I side with Cruz on education, lolwut?). Pretty good survey.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
March 08 2016 23:54 GMT
#64586
On March 09 2016 08:10 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2016 08:03 farvacola wrote:
Msu's campus paper fucking sucks but yeah, the college voter antipathy is real.


Aww I always thought it was pretty good when I was there. Nothing super special but respectable.

I'll give you this: it is just as good as OSU's paper

As for U of M's endorsement, no big surprise, though I've no doubt that the law school doesn't share in the sentiment
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
March 09 2016 00:12 GMT
#64587
On March 09 2016 08:45 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2016 05:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 09 2016 04:46 radscorpion9 wrote:
Hey did you guys play the CNN 2016 Candidate matchmaker? As an outsider who has a very light knowledge on most of these issues, I thought it did a good job of keeping things simple, but deep enough to have meaningful differences.

I got good old Hillary Clinton, with O'Malley in second. I think I'm happy with that, Hillary is pretty cool. But I certainly wouldn't mind Sanders either (he came in third).

Here's the link in case anyone's interested. Its fun

CNN Matchmaker

edit: Also wow, I tried picking the most die-hard conservative answers, like climate change is a hoax, and apparently Rubio agrees completely? I had no idea.


Isidewith seems much better.

https://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential-quiz

http://i.imgur.com/mU4J52l.png
http://i.imgur.com/k5uoq78.png
Yup, that's pretty much exactly where I'd say I stand with the candidates (except it says I side with Cruz on education, lolwut?). Pretty good survey.


http://i.imgur.com/X5QUJBN.png

They really need a question about the privatization of prisons
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23932 Posts
March 09 2016 00:14 GMT
#64588
Been calling MI all day, sounding like it should be close. On a random note I got a Cruz voter to say some socialism is good sometimes after opening with yelling at me about working for an evil socialist.

I think I'm much better on the phone than on here lol.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-09 00:16:58
March 09 2016 00:16 GMT
#64589
On March 09 2016 09:14 GreenHorizons wrote:
Been calling MI all day, sounding like it should be close. On a random note I got a Cruz voter to say some socialism is good sometimes after opening with yelling at me about working for an evil socialist.

I think I'm much better on the phone than on here lol.

I really hope so.
Seriously though, I think it will be close. Apparently there is yuge turnout.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
March 09 2016 00:16 GMT
#64590
Are the results going to be known today for Mi?
Never Knows Best.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
March 09 2016 00:17 GMT
#64591
On March 09 2016 09:16 Slaughter wrote:
Are the results going to be known today for Mi?

Yeah, AFAIK for a primary it takes a few hours after the polls close.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6112 Posts
March 09 2016 00:20 GMT
#64592
I expect Bush to win Florida.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23932 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-09 00:28:55
March 09 2016 00:23 GMT
#64593
On March 09 2016 09:17 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2016 09:16 Slaughter wrote:
Are the results going to be known today for Mi?

Yeah, AFAIK for a primary it takes a few hours after the polls close.


Still waiting on some votes from super Tuesday as well as Maine. It's a pretty stupid process.

But Clinton's camp has been talking down expectations and saying "We'll end up with more delegates tonight" So it's most likely not the 9-20% gap the polls were showing.

Now the media is whitening up and playing up why Bernie should win MI so it's coming down to who shows up where. I'm really hoping one of the people I called ends up in a precinct like that MA one where out of 6000+ votes it came down to 1 more Sanders supporter. Would feel especially good.

My teams dumped so much into MI I just hope we didn't over do it and miss viability in MS. No idea why MSNBC has been misreporting that it was winner take all if they got 51%+ on the Dem side in MS. It wasn't in any of the rules I read.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
March 09 2016 00:28 GMT
#64594
94% Bernie
91% Stein
90% Hillary
60% Bloomberg
51% Johnson
20% Kasich
16% Trump
10% Rubio
9% Cruz
9% Carson

Wrote in a couple of answers for which I felt the choices were inadequate
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
trulojucreathrma.com
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
United States327 Posts
March 09 2016 00:33 GMT
#64595
On March 09 2016 08:42 Yoav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2016 08:18 trulojucreathrma.com wrote:
Sure, that Khan wasn't the most important Khan...


Yeah. Barely conquered any of Asia at all.


Troll or bad joke?
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
March 09 2016 01:01 GMT
#64596
The A.P. calls Mississippi for Clinton, as expected.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23932 Posts
March 09 2016 01:05 GMT
#64597
On March 09 2016 10:01 kwizach wrote:
The A.P. calls Mississippi for Clinton, as expected.



Yeah we're just hoping for viability honestly. Seems like we should good, but holy crap team has reports of literally hundreds of people in MS who didn't know his name.

I knew internet sucked out there but damn...
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 09 2016 01:05 GMT
#64598
trump trump trump let's go
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22345 Posts
March 09 2016 01:10 GMT
#64599
On March 09 2016 10:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2016 10:01 kwizach wrote:
The A.P. calls Mississippi for Clinton, as expected.



Yeah we're just hoping for viability honestly. Seems like we should good, but holy crap team has reports of literally hundreds of people in MS who didn't know his name.

I knew internet sucked out there but damn...

And how long can he keep losing before he finally starts closing the gap?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 09 2016 01:19 GMT
#64600
As so many people were posting the "isidewith.com" compass, I tried it as well. I got Bernie Sanders (no way) and the person who I'd actually vote for isn't even on the list

The problem is their very unorthodox choice of election issues. Most of those questions I couldn't care less about, and they aren't pushed by the candidates, they aren't being talked about, and they most certainly don't correspond to what voters are indicating as their most important issues (foreign policy not represented, hello). So my response was basically random.

If you want to try a more adequate election compass done by social scientists, try this:
www.societly.com

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