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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 08 2016 20:43 GMT
#64541
On March 09 2016 05:42 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2016 05:24 trulojucreathrma.com wrote:
Once Trump has the republican nomination he will completely change. It is all about being smart, being flexible, being a winner and getting the best deal possible for yourself.

this is pretty much what I'm assuming. People forget about the '08 and '12 run of Mitt Romney, he pretty much 180'd on a fuck ton of policies after the primaries. Trump's edgy rightwing stuff will become a lot more dull post-primary, and he'll try and be a lot more populist with his "extreme" stances in the General election.
this should be obvious to anyone who know anything about trump
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-08 20:46:05
March 08 2016 20:45 GMT
#64542
huh I got Hillary didn't expect that, but it was close

I think I would have literally needed to invert every answer to get Trump lol
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 08 2016 20:47 GMT
#64543
On March 09 2016 05:45 Nyxisto wrote:
huh I got Hillary didn't expect that, but it was close

Don't believe the reddit hate train. Hillary is a very legitimate democratic candidate. As much as people want to burn her on the stake for her "expensive speeches", she has all the experience and skill to be strong president with all the right policies the people on the left want.
liftlift > tsm
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 08 2016 20:50 GMT
#64544
On March 09 2016 05:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2016 04:46 radscorpion9 wrote:
Hey did you guys play the CNN 2016 Candidate matchmaker? As an outsider who has a very light knowledge on most of these issues, I thought it did a good job of keeping things simple, but deep enough to have meaningful differences.

I got good old Hillary Clinton, with O'Malley in second. I think I'm happy with that, Hillary is pretty cool. But I certainly wouldn't mind Sanders either (he came in third).

Here's the link in case anyone's interested. Its fun

CNN Matchmaker

edit: Also wow, I tried picking the most die-hard conservative answers, like climate change is a hoax, and apparently Rubio agrees completely? I had no idea.


Isidewith seems much better.

https://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential-quiz

95% Bernie
90% Jill Stein
88% Hillary

Donald Trump LITERALLY worst with 18%. Kinda surprised that Ted Cruzed got a 41%. What did I do to deserve that
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
March 08 2016 20:52 GMT
#64545
On March 09 2016 05:50 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2016 05:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 09 2016 04:46 radscorpion9 wrote:
Hey did you guys play the CNN 2016 Candidate matchmaker? As an outsider who has a very light knowledge on most of these issues, I thought it did a good job of keeping things simple, but deep enough to have meaningful differences.

I got good old Hillary Clinton, with O'Malley in second. I think I'm happy with that, Hillary is pretty cool. But I certainly wouldn't mind Sanders either (he came in third).

Here's the link in case anyone's interested. Its fun

CNN Matchmaker

edit: Also wow, I tried picking the most die-hard conservative answers, like climate change is a hoax, and apparently Rubio agrees completely? I had no idea.


Isidewith seems much better.

https://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential-quiz

95% Bernie
90% Jill Stein
88% Hillary

Donald Trump LITERALLY worst with 18%. Kinda surprised that Ted Cruzed got a 41%. What did I do to deserve that

I took that a while ago, I think I got 95% Bernie, 90% Hillary, like 40% trump/cruz and under 20% rubio.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 08 2016 20:53 GMT
#64546
On March 09 2016 05:35 corumjhaelen wrote:
Got Jill Stein. Probably still not left in the right way to get me to vote if I could ^^

id like to vote far far left too just as a matter of choosing states of affairs. but there is no good policy to bring about such states, at least not with sanders
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-08 20:58:18
March 08 2016 20:55 GMT
#64547
On March 09 2016 05:52 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2016 05:50 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 09 2016 05:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 09 2016 04:46 radscorpion9 wrote:
Hey did you guys play the CNN 2016 Candidate matchmaker? As an outsider who has a very light knowledge on most of these issues, I thought it did a good job of keeping things simple, but deep enough to have meaningful differences.

I got good old Hillary Clinton, with O'Malley in second. I think I'm happy with that, Hillary is pretty cool. But I certainly wouldn't mind Sanders either (he came in third).

Here's the link in case anyone's interested. Its fun

CNN Matchmaker

edit: Also wow, I tried picking the most die-hard conservative answers, like climate change is a hoax, and apparently Rubio agrees completely? I had no idea.


Isidewith seems much better.

https://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential-quiz

95% Bernie
90% Jill Stein
88% Hillary

Donald Trump LITERALLY worst with 18%. Kinda surprised that Ted Cruzed got a 41%. What did I do to deserve that

I took that a while ago, I think I got 95% Bernie, 90% Hillary, like 40% trump/cruz and under 20% rubio.

yeah rubio and carson are in the 20's for me as well. The only Republicans that made it into the 40's are Kasich (which I get) and Cruz oO

lol what's that answer:
Should the government be allowed to seize private property, with reasonable compensation, for public or civic use?
Ted Cruz: No, unless it is for an oil pipeline project
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24130 Posts
March 08 2016 20:58 GMT
#64548
Not sure how long ago they added Stein (glad they did though).


Also not sure how they decide which quotes/votes to use as a candidates position. Must be especially hard to pin Trump down on anything.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
March 08 2016 21:06 GMT
#64549
On March 09 2016 05:53 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2016 05:35 corumjhaelen wrote:
Got Jill Stein. Probably still not left in the right way to get me to vote if I could ^^

id like to vote far far left too just as a matter of choosing states of affairs. but there is no good policy to bring about such states, at least not with sanders

I agree for once. Probably for very different reasons though.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
March 08 2016 21:16 GMT
#64550
Sixty-one percent of Americans agree that "continued immigration into the country jeopardizes the United States," according to a new poll commissioned by management consulting firm A.T. Kearney in partnership with market researcher NPD Group that revealed pessimism across a wide range of issues.

The degree of concern is remarkable considering that the question was about all immigration, including the legal kind. Even Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has said he supports legal immigration into the U.S.

A.T. Kearney and NPD Group gave Bloomberg Businessweek an exclusive first look at the results of the survey, which covers 2,590 respondents and is part of an America@250 study that's intended to gauge the nation's direction with 10 years to go before its 250th birthday. The study, which will be posted online later this month, was conducted last October and November.
Bloomberg

Speaking of polls ...
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 08 2016 21:20 GMT
#64551
A major issue is immigration? And Rubio's amnesty position isn't winning him southern states? What a surprise!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 08 2016 21:21 GMT
#64552
What I can take from that article is that I am 100% against authors who cite polls and data, but refuse to link to it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18356 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-08 21:40:43
March 08 2016 21:38 GMT
#64553
On March 09 2016 06:21 Plansix wrote:
What I can take from that article is that I am 100% against authors who cite polls and data, but refuse to link to it.

I took a poll among my neurons. Turns out I'm only 93.6% against. A further 4.1% are undecided.

In Daily Mirror words, that means 2 billion neurons (give or take) are in favor of citing polls without reference!!!!
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 08 2016 21:42 GMT
#64554
well they prob would sell you a detailed copy for 700
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 08 2016 21:45 GMT
#64555
I like how they said it was a "sneak peek" like a pool is something special and not a thing we read about ever day.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
March 08 2016 21:46 GMT
#64556
Well, not as many people are as informed as us, right or left.
I post only when my brain works.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
March 08 2016 22:15 GMT
#64557
On March 09 2016 06:16 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
Sixty-one percent of Americans agree that "continued immigration into the country jeopardizes the United States," according to a new poll commissioned by management consulting firm A.T. Kearney in partnership with market researcher NPD Group that revealed pessimism across a wide range of issues.

The degree of concern is remarkable considering that the question was about all immigration, including the legal kind. Even Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has said he supports legal immigration into the U.S.

A.T. Kearney and NPD Group gave Bloomberg Businessweek an exclusive first look at the results of the survey, which covers 2,590 respondents and is part of an America@250 study that's intended to gauge the nation's direction with 10 years to go before its 250th birthday. The study, which will be posted online later this month, was conducted last October and November.
Bloomberg

Speaking of polls ...


I would say there's a pretty good chance the questions preceding that one either involved terrorism or illegal immigration.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 08 2016 22:18 GMT
#64558
A bold claim sir. Bold. I don’t know what part of sample question could lead to you believe this is a push poll.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
trulojucreathrma.com
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
United States327 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-08 22:19:02
March 08 2016 22:18 GMT
#64559
I love how the CNN says:

What is the scariest?

[...]

Nuclear weapons in the wrong hands

Read: Nuclear weapons in non-US hands.

If you are US, this is a right-wing answer as it is about Iran 99%. If you aren't, it is left wing.
Let's not forget we (the US) let Pakstan, N Korea, India, UK and Israel get nukes for free.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6303 Posts
March 08 2016 22:23 GMT
#64560
On March 09 2016 07:18 trulojucreathrma.com wrote:
I love how the CNN says:

What is the scariest?

[...]

Nuclear weapons in the wrong hands

Read: Nuclear weapons in non-US hands.

If you are US, this is a right-wing answer as it is about Iran 99%. If you aren't, it is left wing.
Let's not forget we (the US) let Pakstan, N Korea, India, UK and Israel get nukes for free.

Many of those were mistakes.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
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