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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 08 2016 22:25 GMT
#64561
More like those were nations we couldn’t stop. There are a limited number of nations we can prevent from obtaining nukes.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 08 2016 22:25 GMT
#64562
nah pakistan didn't get nukes with u.s. approval. they got it from china.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-08 22:29:02
March 08 2016 22:27 GMT
#64563
On March 09 2016 07:25 oneofthem wrote:
nah pakistan didn't get nukes with u.s. approval. they got it from china.

With some involuntary and unintended help from the Dutch.

E: it's also laughable to claim that N. Korea got nukes with US approval.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22345 Posts
March 08 2016 22:28 GMT
#64564
On March 09 2016 07:25 oneofthem wrote:
nah pakistan didn't get nukes with u.s. approval. they got it from china.

The 'mistake' was not giving them approval for a nuke. It was not going to war to stop them. You know, like some people want to do to Iran despite having just signed a treaty with them to stop the development of a nuke...
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-08 22:31:57
March 08 2016 22:31 GMT
#64565
I think the more scary part about nuclear proliferation is potential non-state actors in the future, for actual states nukes are more of a political than a military tool.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 08 2016 22:35 GMT
#64566
The problem with the isidewith thing is that it's like asking you that if costs and rules were no issue what car would you drive. It has very little bearing on what you drive in real life.

For the third or fourth time in a row, I side with Jill Stein (95) the most. Next it's Sanders (93), Hillary (92).
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 08 2016 22:36 GMT
#64567
On March 09 2016 07:28 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2016 07:25 oneofthem wrote:
nah pakistan didn't get nukes with u.s. approval. they got it from china.

The 'mistake' was not giving them approval for a nuke. It was not going to war to stop them. You know, like some people want to do to Iran despite having just signed a treaty with them to stop the development of a nuke...

pakistan is a security state, especially in the 70's. the ISI ran a tight ship.

going to war vs pakistan wasn't going to stop them from getting nukes from china eventually, especially after india got it. it was a balance between china and india since the 60's.

and let's not talk so cavalierly about starting wars in that region, highly dangerous.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
March 08 2016 22:37 GMT
#64568
Yeah. Agree with Nyx. Not terribly worried even Pakistan would use nukes. But if someone steals or sells a DPRK or Pakistani nuke? No city in the world would really be safe. Briefcase bombs (probably more like Pickup Truck, but still scary shit
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-08 22:42:33
March 08 2016 22:40 GMT
#64569
uh one should be extremely concerned over the stability of pakistan and its nuclear program. that region has seen actual war between nuclear powers as well as an active arms race between rising powers. (india-china-pakistan)

dirty bombs on the other hand are pretty overrated.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22345 Posts
March 08 2016 22:43 GMT
#64570
On March 09 2016 07:36 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2016 07:28 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 09 2016 07:25 oneofthem wrote:
nah pakistan didn't get nukes with u.s. approval. they got it from china.

The 'mistake' was not giving them approval for a nuke. It was not going to war to stop them. You know, like some people want to do to Iran despite having just signed a treaty with them to stop the development of a nuke...

pakistan is a security state, especially in the 70's. the ISI ran a tight ship.

going to war vs pakistan wasn't going to stop them from getting nukes from china eventually, especially after india got it. it was a balance between china and india since the 60's.

and let's not talk so cavalierly about starting wars in that region, highly dangerous.

I am certainly not saying that they should have gone to war.
But when people say "we should not have let X get a nuke" then war is what they are referring to.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
oGsChess
Profile Joined September 2015
23 Posts
March 08 2016 22:45 GMT
#64571
There's bad things aaaaall over America
We never win anymore
Tremendous problems in our country
Mexican rapists and drug dealers
Without a wall we are no country
Aaaaand my penis is huge


.... u guys wanna talk about T he real problem in your country?
The father, the son and the holy spirit of ByuN
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9845 Posts
March 08 2016 22:48 GMT
#64572
On March 09 2016 07:45 oGsChess wrote:
There's bad things aaaaall over America
We never win anymore
Tremendous problems in our country
Mexican rapists and drug dealers
Without a wall we are no country
Aaaaand my penis is huge



Dude that's such a crass simplification of Trump. lol.

And haven't you heard???? Apparently he's going to completely change if he wins the nomination. He's basically going to turn into Mother Theresa as soon as the results come in.
RIP Meatloaf <3
trulojucreathrma.com
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
United States327 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-08 22:52:06
March 08 2016 22:49 GMT
#64573
On March 09 2016 07:25 oneofthem wrote:
nah pakistan didn't get nukes with u.s. approval. they got it from china.


They got pieces from the US, from the Netherlands and figured the rest out themselves.
The Dutch government wanted to apprehend the spy, Khan, that stole the technology, but the US intervened at the last moment at the very highest level, president to prime minister, and Khan was able to board a plane back to Pakistan.
The rest is history.
Question remains if US letting Khan escape was intentional or just incompetence.

Either way, the US supported Pakistani dictators all the way through. Read up Zia-ul-Haq. He is the cause of 70% of the problems in that region.

They are also the most dangerous nuclear state. Far more dangerous than N Korea. And remember, Iran doesn't even have a nuclear weapons program, as far as we know.


ISI didn't run a tight ship. One sector of the ISI was killing the Pakistani prime minster, who was an ISI agent himself, because he was of the wrong wrong sector of the ISI.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 08 2016 22:50 GMT
#64574
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-08 22:51:50
March 08 2016 22:51 GMT
#64575
On March 09 2016 07:45 oGsChess wrote:
There's bad things aaaaall over America
We never win anymore
Tremendous problems in our country
Mexican rapists and drug dealers
Without a wall we are no country
Aaaaand my penis is huge


.... u guys wanna talk about T he real problem in your country?


It's not our country...we don't own it...the 1%ers OWN it, that's the real problem in this country!
"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-08 23:05:47
March 08 2016 23:00 GMT
#64576
University kids so Lazy. Just saw something from my Alma mater's (Michigan State) paper that there is low voter turn out in East Lansing and on campus. I remember when I was on campus when Obama was running the 1st time...election day was busy busy busy.
Never Knows Best.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
March 08 2016 23:03 GMT
#64577
Msu's campus paper fucking sucks but yeah, the college voter antipathy is real.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
March 08 2016 23:05 GMT
#64578
On March 09 2016 07:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/poconnorWSJ/status/707325656321888261

......that can't be nationally, can it?
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 08 2016 23:08 GMT
#64579
Hilariously (get it?), UM Ann Arbor endorsed Hillary.
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4951 Posts
March 08 2016 23:10 GMT
#64580
On March 09 2016 08:05 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2016 07:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/poconnorWSJ/status/707325656321888261

......that can't be nationally, can it?


Think it's voters in states that have not voted yet. Or maybe that's the other one.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
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