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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On March 04 2016 15:39 oBlade wrote: Romney of course having already proved in 2012 that his campaign would be broker. But just imagine if Romney could run for president but skip the GOP primary, so that he doesn't have to turn hard to the right and take back half the positions he held as governor. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9770 Posts
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
'Not even my wife knows': secret Donald Trump voters speak out The Hispanic attorney (29, Florida) ‘He has demonstrated that he is, at heart, a caring person’ On paper, I probably look like a guaranteed Cruz or Rubio vote. I’m a millennial woman, my parents immigrated from Castro’s Cuba, I work as a trial attorney in Miami and I’m a born-again Christian. But I’m voting for Donald Trump, and I’ve convinced all my friends and family to do so as well. The scientist who likes both Bernie and Donald (48, California) ‘I’m very concerned about radical Muslims’ I moved to San Francisco from the UK in 2000. I’m a citizen now and I voted for Obama. I am a closet Trump supporter and I haven’t told any of my friends or co-workers. They would think of me as a meat-head if they knew. The funny thing is that I like Trump and Sanders, and there’s no party or politician for me. I’m pro abortion and pro equal pay for women. I’m pro gay marriage. I want to increase the minimum wage and I’m prepared to pay higher taxes and higher prices for groceries and fast food to cover it. Source really interesting viewpoints. Those that think people will "come to their senses" in the general are not paying close enough attention to the race up to this point. | ||
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Introvert
United States4907 Posts
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On March 04 2016 16:21 Introvert wrote: Trump/Bernie 2016. Now that ought to scare Hillary! Sanders isn't supporting Trump in the general election for obvious reasons. The only significant group that supports both Sanders and Trump is the one that only cares about burning Washington D.C. to the ground. Which is, admittedly, a fairly sizable group. If not one large enough to win an election. | ||
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Introvert
United States4907 Posts
On March 04 2016 16:27 acker wrote: Sanders isn't supporting Trump in the general election for obvious reasons. The only significant group that supports both Sanders and Trump is the one that only cares about burning Washington D.C. to the ground. Which is, admittedly, a fairly sizable group. If not one large enough to win an election. I was being only semi-serious. It's an interesting thought though, I'd bet they could pull off a lot of Democrats. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
As for the debate...well, given that the Republican Party is busy burning itself to the ground right now, I don't think the DNC has any pressing worries at this time. | ||
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
On March 04 2016 16:40 acker wrote: I don't think that the Democrats would vote for the physical embodiment of privilege. Republicans definitely wouldn't vote for the reincarnation of Karl Marx. As for the debate...well, given that the Republican Party is busy burning itself to the ground right now, I don't think the DNC has any pressing worries at this time. If you don't think the Democrats are just as fractured, you'd be wrong. People are tired of being caricatured along party lines, and apparently are willing to blow up the system to prove it. Donald is that bomb. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On March 04 2016 16:49 strongwind wrote: If you don't think the Democrats are just as fractured, you'd be wrong. People are tired of being caricatured along party lines, and apparently are willing to blow up the system to prove it. Donald is that bomb. Although Democrats do have their fault lines, I believe they are unified by a blind faith in arithmetic. For example, when think tanks point out that a 5% GDP growth rate is greater than the average long-run GDP growth rate of 2%, Sanders' poll numbers go down. When Sanders points out that 1,000 dollars in extra taxes is better than 10,000 dollars in forced private spending for healthcare, his poll numbers go up. For all their differences, Democrats seem to follow the same theology on this one issue. However, I find that there is a greater debate within the Republican field on the relative importance of numbers in society. For example, although 80 billion dollars in drug spending is smaller than 300 billion dollars in proposed drug spending cuts, I predict that the Republican field will be equally divided on whether or not these numbers actually mean anything. After all, perhaps it's only the philosophy that matters. Numbers might better be seen as signaling or indicative of voter preferences; what's larger or smaller or real or imaginary may be quite irrelevant. However, from what I've witnessed, Republicans tend to be split on this issue and fracture readily due to it. Maybe I've been reading too much establishment media to fully grasp voter preferences. Maybe Reason and National Review are shilling for the establishment. Perhaps the only mainstream nonestablishment media in existence is Trump's twitter feed. I really don't know; I'm not a conservative. Perhaps sc2superfan101 might know, but I haven't seen him around for this election cycle. | ||
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JW_DTLA
242 Posts
On March 04 2016 16:49 strongwind wrote: If you don't think the Democrats are just as fractured, you'd be wrong. People are tired of being caricatured along party lines, and apparently are willing to blow up the system to prove it. Donald is that bomb. The fractured Democrats approve of the sitting Democratic president by an average of 86.7 versus 9.9 for a +76.8 spread. Show me the fracturing. Show it in numbers. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval_among_democrats-1046.html http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/2016-presidential-debates-democrats-barack-obama-213540 http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/12/presidential-job-approval-ratings-from-ike-to-obama/ | ||
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levelping
Singapore759 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On March 04 2016 17:45 levelping wrote: The things you recall, what stuck out to you that made the country amazing, those feelings are feeding his slogan: Make America Great Again. You picked three examples, his supporters have dozens more. There's this general feeling of what's been lost. What an amazing country that did all these things, except, we're now a country that doesn't win anymore. We don't win anymore. When was the last time we won? We don't win on trade. We don't win on the military. We don't beat ISIS. We don't do anything. We're not good. We're just not the same place. We are going to win, so muchI am gobsmacked that the amazing country that brought humanity to the moon, lander robots on mars, gave me most of my childhood cartoons.... has large groups of people wanting Trump to be the President. Dear America, you guys are already great and you don't need to build a stupid wall to be great again. | ||
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puerk
Germany855 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4383 Posts
On March 04 2016 16:49 strongwind wrote: If you don't think the Democrats are just as fractured, you'd be wrong. People are tired of being caricatured along party lines, and apparently are willing to blow up the system to prove it. Donald is that bomb. Sarandon : Hollywood stars afraid to come out in support of Sanders.Especially women it seems.They are afraid of being "shamed" for not backing Clinton.Orwell called it "Groupthink". http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/susan-sarandon-says-bernie-sanders-872493 | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
real talk, in order for the gop to split the trump crowd has to see through or dont buy the establishment story. when trump tells them why they should ditch some of the partyline, that vague but strong feeling of frustration takes cogent shape. but without such a leader that crowd would still be under the gop. then you consider trump supporters include a considerable amount of new republicans. this attack trump plan was weighted against driving away the new people, may explain their reluctance to handle trump until recently | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4383 Posts
Could have a large impact on fed meeting in a fortnight. Could the USA have negative rates by November? If so goodbye dems. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4383 Posts
On March 04 2016 20:45 oneofthem wrote: that is not even a fracture. if it is then every argument over dinner choice would be a divorce They probably got spooked by Albrights comments.... Real inclusive right? | ||
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puerk
Germany855 Posts
so you say something ridiculous about russia... disappear for a whilea and come right back with more new absurd claims without ever acknowloging any of the counter arguments?.. that is not how a discussion works | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4383 Posts
On March 04 2016 20:52 puerk wrote: @iPlaY.NettleS so you say something ridiculous about russia... disappear for a whilea and come right back with more new absurd claims without ever acknowloging any of the counter arguments?.. that is not how a discussion works I work, i'm not on here 24/7.When i come back here the thread has advanced 30 pages. Really though, the USA has not run a trade surplus for 40 years, they're 19 trillion in debt with Obama adding half that in the past 8 years and it took them a decade to raise rates 0.25%.The USA has a zombie economy kept "alive" by exponential debt growth and an extremely corrupt financial sector that became supercharged with the removal of Glass-Steagal by Clinton. That is why this election does not matter, it's just a freak show as far as i am concerned.No candidate can drag America out of the hole it's in, the debt is just too goddamn big.So when i say Russia is in better shape i mean it. | ||
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