EPTAlso, pandering to men doesn't happen? WTF do you think this is?
Is this entire spot doing anything other than yelling at the top of his lungs: "I AM A MACHO MACHO MAN. GUNS! BACON! GUNS! MACHO MACHO MAN!"
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Acrofales
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Also, pandering to men doesn't happen? WTF do you think this is? Is this entire spot doing anything other than yelling at the top of his lungs: "I AM A MACHO MACHO MAN. GUNS! BACON! GUNS! MACHO MACHO MAN!" | ||
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GreenHorizons
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Plansix
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ErectedZenith
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On February 18 2016 11:09 Plansix wrote: Holy fucking shit, how is that YouTube video real? How is Cruz a real person? Hey it was a pretty innovative way of getting bacon done. | ||
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Warfie
Norway2849 Posts
On February 18 2016 11:05 Acrofales wrote: Also, pandering to men doesn't happen? WTF do you think this is? + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaZGaJrd3x8 Is this entire spot doing anything other than yelling at the top of his lungs: "I AM A MACHO MACHO MAN. GUNS! BACON! GUNS! MACHO MACHO MAN!" LOOOOOL I don't even I'm currently studying in the US, and I'm enjoying the shit out of the election. If anyone said anything remotely like what American candidates say back in Norway, they would be the nation's laughing stock for years to come | ||
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Simberto
Germany12087 Posts
On February 18 2016 10:11 CannonsNCarriers wrote: Yes yes, Bernie's campaign doesn't have to answer gender questions. But Hillary's does and necessarily has to. Like when Albright stepped over the offensive line and made claims about women supporting other women. We all freaked out that Hillary was making a gender play. Grand paens were written by men clutching their pearls that they might be excluded from an appeal and Hillary simply must repudiate her offensive gender politics. The line that Hillary has to tiptoe around does not exist for Bernie, and doesn't exist for the male Republican candidates. The "line" being that Hillary must not claim too much feminism lest she be accused of playing gender politics. I am not attacking Bernie here. I am trying to point out a systemic bias going on and provoke some posters here to question just why we have to have these discussions about Hillary being too feminist. Imagine the following situation: Some friend of Bernie Sanders gets on stage and proclaims "There is a special place in hell for men who don't support other men.", formulating an argument that you should vote for Sanders because he is male and Hillary is female. You really see that flying well with...anybody? Yet hillary does the exact same thing gender-reversed, and you think it is not ok to criticize that, because she is female and Bernie is male. It is not about "being too feminist" (As long as we talk about the strain of feminism that has equality as a goal), it is about judging a situation exactly like you would judge it if it were gender-reversed. Your judgement of the reactions shows poor debate culture in my opinion. Instead of trying to figure out if there is a reasonable point being made, you immediately and instinctively come to the conclusion that you need to support the weak female against the bullying males, who obviously just "clutch their pearls that they might be excluded from an appeal". I am a nerd. A lot of appeals are made to people who are obviously not me, yet i still don't "clutch my pearls" every time that happens, and neither do you insinuate that i would. Only when gender is the point of the discussion, you immediately come to the conclusion that that must be the case. That doesn't sound like you really view men and women as equals to me. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On February 18 2016 11:05 Acrofales wrote: Obviously when she says that she isn't targeting male voters... duh. And yeah, it's pandering to women. But wtf do you think Bernie was doing taking Al Sharpton to some black restaurant in Harlem? Pandering happens because it works. Rubio pandered to Latinos with his standup comedy slam at Cruz for not speaking Spanish. Also, pandering to men doesn't happen? WTF do you think this is? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaZGaJrd3x8 Is this entire spot doing anything other than yelling at the top of his lungs: "I AM A MACHO MACHO MAN. GUNS! BACON! GUNS! MACHO MACHO MAN!" US politics make me hungry | ||
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killa_robot
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Nyxisto
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On February 18 2016 10:50 IgnE wrote: I probably wouldn't vote for Stiglitz the Academy Trained Economist, but I might for Stiglitz the Human Being. Hillary is barely a real person. She buried Hillary the Human Being shortly after college, probably about the same time she made a deal to marry Bill. how much do u know about stiglitz the human being though? how do you know hillary's motivation. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12087 Posts
On February 18 2016 11:26 Nyxisto wrote: that is like every stereotype about the US distilled into one Youtube video. A remarkable work of art I am also pretty sure that that is not the first time i saw that being done. I distinctly remember a video like that from a few years back. Though it is the first time a presidential candidate thinks that that is a good way to market yourself. I must say that i am amazed by the republican campaigns. It appears to me that they are barely sufficient when attempting to get elected to class president in high school. How people doing videos like that are serious contenders for a nomination to presidential candidate by one of your two only parties is beyond me. In Germany a campaign like that might possibly come from such a serious party as the APPD with an official party program of "Drink away all of the campaign money we get!" | ||
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
On February 18 2016 10:59 Acrofales wrote: This is kinda dumb. I'd like a president to make an informed decision based on the good of the country, weighing the evidence and reasoning through the outcomes of some policy decision. Emotions obviously play a part in decision making, but I would like them to be tempered by someone I respect as an intellectual. Given the debates, I believe both Hillary and Bernie meet that bar. I have so far seen no spark of anything resembling intelligence from any of the Republicans, except perhaps Kasich, and we all know he's never going to win. Jeb! sometimes comes close. The rest range from shrewd to moronic. Stiglitz the Human Being is not entirely ruled by his emotions. He just has an expanded imaginary that is not confined by his academy training. Educated Americans these days suffer from a serious imagination deficit. Look at poor ticklish. He's only just graduated from college and he already knows "how it works" with healthcare. There's a narrow track of things "that work" and everything else is preposterous. It's a criticism that 20 years ago you would have heard about the Chinese intelligentsia: "yeah they are good at math problems in books, but they aren't innovative." On February 18 2016 11:26 oneofthem wrote: how much do u know about stiglitz the human being though? how do you know hillary's motivation. I don't know much about Stiglitz the human being. That's why I said I might. I get the feeling based on a couple odd comments in the press that he at least has read Marx and has leftist sympathies though, which is more than I can say for Hillary. I don't know Hillary's motivation any more than I can know any celebrity's motivation. She does have a pretty long record though, having been a political figure for my entire adult life, and she hasn't convinced me otherwise. You are delving into deep questions about character and the essence of judgment, and there's stuff to be said about it, but I don't have any serious doubts about my judging ability, at least compared to the average member of the electorate. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24512 Posts
official party program of "Drink away all of the campaign money we get!" Somewhere a Jeb Bush staffer is wishing they would of thought of that. Probably would of done better hiring 100,000 people to drink some beer and wear a Jeb t-shirt for a few weeks. | ||
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
I would trade Stiglitz for Costas Lapavitsas any day. | ||
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oneofthem
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it is no good trying to judge people based on if they really appreciate marx tho | ||
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IgnE
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{CC}StealthBlue
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama is preparing to visit Cuba as soon as March, a person briefed on the matter said on Wednesday, a major step in the thaw between former Cold War foes the United States and Communist-run Cuba. Obama said in December that he would consider visiting Cuba as part of an opening to Havana that saw the two countries restore diplomatic ties and take steps toward expanded commercial relations. A U.S. official, asked about the prospects for a March visit by Obama, declined to discuss the timing for such a trip. "The president has said he would like to go if the conditions are right," the official said. The White House declined comment. In December 2014, Obama and Cuban President Raul Castro shocked the world by announcing the former adversaries would normalize relations after a 54-year break. Obama said in a December interview with Yahoo News that he hoped to visit Cuba in 2016 but only if enough progress had been made in bilateral relations and he was able to meet with political dissidents as part of an effort to "nudge the Cuban government in a new direction." A Cuban foreign ministry official said in reaction to the December interview that Obama was welcome to visit Cuba but not meddle in the country's internal affairs. Washington and Havana restored diplomatic ties in July, but commerce remains limited by the U.S. trade embargo, which includes a ban on American tourism to the island. Source | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
was playing around with this 538 demographics turnout simulator. seems like the democrats really need a high black turnout in florida and PA. http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-swing-the-election/ | ||
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
2) I don't think Hillary is capable of a "personality campaign" of the type you envision. She is what she is. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 18 2016 12:11 oneofthem wrote: this entire line of discussion could be avoided by some sort of personality campaign by hillary. if she was not constantly in public focus for twenty years hillary's profile would be pretty interesting. certainly obama level if not better. was playing around with this 538 demographics turnout simulator. seems like the democrats really need a high black turnout in florida and PA. http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-swing-the-election/ This is hilarious. Hillary's unlikabiliy has been baked into the cake for at least 20 years. I bet if I looked, I'd see that she was unlikable as the governor's wife in Arkansas, too. Her personality is way beyond redemption. | ||
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