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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 13 2016 22:36 GMT
#58281
On February 14 2016 07:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
But the question is that the Republicans hold the Senate majority but will they approve of a moderate, sure as hell not a Liberal.

The problem is that they will be hard pressed to deny a judge based on politically leaning without looking like they are holding up the process on the national stage. Unlike the appeals court appointments, these nominations are covered nationally and constantly.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-13 22:44:02
February 13 2016 22:38 GMT
#58282
gg scalia

expect a lot of people confusing ideology with consistency in the coming days
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
February 13 2016 22:45 GMT
#58283
On February 14 2016 07:36 Introvert wrote:
The GOP is so weak Obama could get a pretty liberal justice. This is terrible.

They have Congress, so it'll be difficult.

That said, I don't think they'll be able to block this until the next president (like some are starting to clamor for.) It's a major election year and leaving the seat empty for 9+ months is pretty unprecedented. If they keep rejecting nominee after nominee, it'll look incredibly bad in the general election, in which case they'll lose the seat (and possibly their own) anyways.
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kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
February 13 2016 22:45 GMT
#58284
I'm sad for the man and his friends and relatives, but I'm incredibly happy for the Supreme Court and the U.S. in general.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23720 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-13 22:47:21
February 13 2016 22:45 GMT
#58285
On February 14 2016 07:36 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2016 07:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
But the question is that the Republicans hold the Senate majority but will they approve of a moderate, sure as hell not a Liberal.

The problem is that they will be hard pressed to deny a judge based on politically leaning without looking like they are holding up the process on the national stage. Unlike the appeals court appointments, these nominations are covered nationally and constantly.


I don't disagree that they are in an untenable position, just that they the president has to put up a strong liberal (at least from a republican perspective), and Republicans can't risk looking weak without ending their shot at keeping the Senate. The political pressure for them to fight will be so much stronger than for them to fold.

Trump (and Cruz) is going to beat it to death if they even hint at accepting anything less than a rigid conservative.

It's not a fast process, they can drag it out with claims of vetting until the election, pretty easily.

I think the idea of Obama resigning and Biden putting him up would be pretty hilarious.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 13 2016 22:48 GMT
#58286
4th quarter Obama welcomes this opportunity to score another touchdown

I wouldn't surprised for him to pick the most liberal (but squeaky clean) candidate he feels he can get away with, then use the bully pulpit to call out Republican stalling as unprecedented and shameful. He'll pick someone they'll hate but eventually have to approve after having done significant damage to their own reputation.
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4908 Posts
February 13 2016 22:50 GMT
#58287
On February 14 2016 07:45 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2016 07:36 Introvert wrote:
The GOP is so weak Obama could get a pretty liberal justice. This is terrible.

They have Congress, so it'll be difficult.

That said, I don't think they'll be able to block this until the next president (like some are starting to clamor for.) It's a major election year and leaving the seat empty for 9+ months is pretty unprecedented. If they keep rejecting nominee after nominee, it'll look incredibly bad in the general election, in which case they'll lose the seat (and possibly their own) anyways.


The only "moderate" that would be appointed is a moderate by the Sanders' left definition. Almost 100% it will be a liberal unless the GOP suddenly grow a spine.

On a more cynical note, this is an opportunity for someone like Cruz, who has made his name by getting in the way of "normal politics" in the Senate. Assuming he's still in the race by the time appointment discussion comes up.

"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-13 22:53:33
February 13 2016 22:52 GMT
#58288
On February 14 2016 07:50 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2016 07:45 Jibba wrote:
On February 14 2016 07:36 Introvert wrote:
The GOP is so weak Obama could get a pretty liberal justice. This is terrible.

They have Congress, so it'll be difficult.

That said, I don't think they'll be able to block this until the next president (like some are starting to clamor for.) It's a major election year and leaving the seat empty for 9+ months is pretty unprecedented. If they keep rejecting nominee after nominee, it'll look incredibly bad in the general election, in which case they'll lose the seat (and possibly their own) anyways.


The only "moderate" that would be appointed is a moderate by the Sanders' left definition. Almost 100% it will be a liberal unless the GOP suddenly grow a spine.

On a more cynical note, this is an opportunity for someone like Cruz, who has made his name by getting in the way of "normal politics" in the Senate. Assuming he's still in the race by the time appointment discussion comes up.



An opportunity for Cruz to throw his trademark tantrum where everyone else (including conservatives) kind of just roll their eyes and ignore him because by this time he has probably alienated the majority of congress and they have seen his song and dance before.
Never Knows Best.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4908 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-13 22:54:49
February 13 2016 22:54 GMT
#58289
On February 14 2016 07:52 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2016 07:50 Introvert wrote:
On February 14 2016 07:45 Jibba wrote:
On February 14 2016 07:36 Introvert wrote:
The GOP is so weak Obama could get a pretty liberal justice. This is terrible.

They have Congress, so it'll be difficult.

That said, I don't think they'll be able to block this until the next president (like some are starting to clamor for.) It's a major election year and leaving the seat empty for 9+ months is pretty unprecedented. If they keep rejecting nominee after nominee, it'll look incredibly bad in the general election, in which case they'll lose the seat (and possibly their own) anyways.


The only "moderate" that would be appointed is a moderate by the Sanders' left definition. Almost 100% it will be a liberal unless the GOP suddenly grow a spine.

On a more cynical note, this is an opportunity for someone like Cruz, who has made his name by getting in the way of "normal politics" in the Senate. Assuming he's still in the race by the time appointment discussion comes up.



An opportunity for Cruz to throw his trademark tantrum where everyone else (including conservatives) kind of just roll their eyes and ignore him because by this time he has probably alienated the majority of congress and they have seen his song and dance before.


I for one approve fighting as hard as possible to make the next justice as "moderate" as possible (since they obviously won't be a conservative, if appointed by Obama).
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23720 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-13 22:56:28
February 13 2016 22:55 GMT
#58290
On February 14 2016 07:48 ticklishmusic wrote:
4th quarter Obama welcomes this opportunity to score another touchdown

I wouldn't surprised for him to pick the most liberal (but squeaky clean) candidate he feels he can get away with, then use the bully pulpit to call out Republican stalling as unprecedented and shameful. He'll pick someone they'll hate but eventually have to approve after having done significant damage to their own reputation.



Trump and Cruz aren't going to play that, and they are the leading contenders for the Republican nomination. Republicans will alienate their base beyond description by accepting anyone Obama would approve of.

If people think Trump is going to concede the news cycles to some boring hearing or some shaming from Obama you must be watching a different election.

Cruz will be in the Senate screaming from the rafters over this no matter what. For as long as the person sits Republicans wouldn't hear the end of it.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
February 13 2016 22:55 GMT
#58291
We have 3 ticking time bombs (2 liberal and 1 conservative) who are at least 79 years old. This is a good example of Democrats uniting around the eventual nominee (despite what your personal opinions are of either Bernie or Hillary) to prevent a Republican presidency.
rip passion
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-13 22:57:03
February 13 2016 22:56 GMT
#58292
I will be very sad when the Notorious RBG no longer presides.

Honestly, I didn't expect Scalia to kick the bucket. I mean, he wasn't exactly healthy, but he also didn't look like he was anywhere near death's door.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
February 13 2016 23:00 GMT
#58293
Not going to lie.. I laughed. Bad day for him and his family, great day for America.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-13 23:08:02
February 13 2016 23:02 GMT
#58294
obama will nominate a woman again? i am in favor of women in these positions.

jennifer granholm or diane wood mebbe
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23720 Posts
February 13 2016 23:02 GMT
#58295
Remember everyone there is a Debate tonight. Prepare for a Scalia love fest.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 13 2016 23:06 GMT
#58296
Can a 8 person court still hear cases?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 13 2016 23:07 GMT
#58297
Ted "I clerked for the Supreme Court" Cruz will say something along the lines of how it would be disrespectful to Scalia to let a liberal replace him
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4908 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-13 23:08:03
February 13 2016 23:07 GMT
#58298
On February 14 2016 08:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Can a 8 person court still hear cases?


Yes, everything continues to run the same.

Edit: quoted wrong post.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
February 13 2016 23:08 GMT
#58299
Dunno, but given the contentious things to still be decided, like Obamacare stuff and immigration, 4-4s are looking very likely.

The question is whether or not the White House can convince 5-7 Republicans that his nomination is non-liberal enough, otherwise I don't see it happening.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 13 2016 23:09 GMT
#58300
What probably will happen is what Maddow suggested a Obama cabinet official will probably be nominated.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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