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On February 14 2016 07:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
But the question is that the Republicans hold the Senate majority but will they approve of a moderate, sure as hell not a Liberal.
The problem is that they will be hard pressed to deny a judge based on politically leaning without looking like they are holding up the process on the national stage. Unlike the appeals court appointments, these nominations are covered nationally and constantly.
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gg scalia
expect a lot of people confusing ideology with consistency in the coming days
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On February 14 2016 07:36 Introvert wrote:
The GOP is so weak Obama could get a pretty liberal justice. This is terrible.
They have Congress, so it'll be difficult.
That said, I don't think they'll be able to block this until the next president (like some are starting to clamor for.) It's a major election year and leaving the seat empty for 9+ months is pretty unprecedented. If they keep rejecting nominee after nominee, it'll look incredibly bad in the general election, in which case they'll lose the seat (and possibly their own) anyways.
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I'm sad for the man and his friends and relatives, but I'm incredibly happy for the Supreme Court and the U.S. in general.
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On February 14 2016 07:36 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2016 07:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
But the question is that the Republicans hold the Senate majority but will they approve of a moderate, sure as hell not a Liberal. The problem is that they will be hard pressed to deny a judge based on politically leaning without looking like they are holding up the process on the national stage. Unlike the appeals court appointments, these nominations are covered nationally and constantly.
I don't disagree that they are in an untenable position, just that they the president has to put up a strong liberal (at least from a republican perspective), and Republicans can't risk looking weak without ending their shot at keeping the Senate. The political pressure for them to fight will be so much stronger than for them to fold.
Trump (and Cruz) is going to beat it to death if they even hint at accepting anything less than a rigid conservative.
It's not a fast process, they can drag it out with claims of vetting until the election, pretty easily.
I think the idea of Obama resigning and Biden putting him up would be pretty hilarious.
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4th quarter Obama welcomes this opportunity to score another touchdown
I wouldn't surprised for him to pick the most liberal (but squeaky clean) candidate he feels he can get away with, then use the bully pulpit to call out Republican stalling as unprecedented and shameful. He'll pick someone they'll hate but eventually have to approve after having done significant damage to their own reputation.
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On February 14 2016 07:45 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2016 07:36 Introvert wrote:
The GOP is so weak Obama could get a pretty liberal justice. This is terrible. They have Congress, so it'll be difficult. That said, I don't think they'll be able to block this until the next president (like some are starting to clamor for.) It's a major election year and leaving the seat empty for 9+ months is pretty unprecedented. If they keep rejecting nominee after nominee, it'll look incredibly bad in the general election, in which case they'll lose the seat (and possibly their own) anyways.
The only "moderate" that would be appointed is a moderate by the Sanders' left definition. Almost 100% it will be a liberal unless the GOP suddenly grow a spine.
On a more cynical note, this is an opportunity for someone like Cruz, who has made his name by getting in the way of "normal politics" in the Senate. Assuming he's still in the race by the time appointment discussion comes up.
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On February 14 2016 07:50 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2016 07:45 Jibba wrote:On February 14 2016 07:36 Introvert wrote:
The GOP is so weak Obama could get a pretty liberal justice. This is terrible. They have Congress, so it'll be difficult. That said, I don't think they'll be able to block this until the next president (like some are starting to clamor for.) It's a major election year and leaving the seat empty for 9+ months is pretty unprecedented. If they keep rejecting nominee after nominee, it'll look incredibly bad in the general election, in which case they'll lose the seat (and possibly their own) anyways. The only "moderate" that would be appointed is a moderate by the Sanders' left definition. Almost 100% it will be a liberal unless the GOP suddenly grow a spine. On a more cynical note, this is an opportunity for someone like Cruz, who has made his name by getting in the way of "normal politics" in the Senate. Assuming he's still in the race by the time appointment discussion comes up.
An opportunity for Cruz to throw his trademark tantrum where everyone else (including conservatives) kind of just roll their eyes and ignore him because by this time he has probably alienated the majority of congress and they have seen his song and dance before.
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On February 14 2016 07:52 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2016 07:50 Introvert wrote:On February 14 2016 07:45 Jibba wrote:On February 14 2016 07:36 Introvert wrote:
The GOP is so weak Obama could get a pretty liberal justice. This is terrible. They have Congress, so it'll be difficult. That said, I don't think they'll be able to block this until the next president (like some are starting to clamor for.) It's a major election year and leaving the seat empty for 9+ months is pretty unprecedented. If they keep rejecting nominee after nominee, it'll look incredibly bad in the general election, in which case they'll lose the seat (and possibly their own) anyways. The only "moderate" that would be appointed is a moderate by the Sanders' left definition. Almost 100% it will be a liberal unless the GOP suddenly grow a spine. On a more cynical note, this is an opportunity for someone like Cruz, who has made his name by getting in the way of "normal politics" in the Senate. Assuming he's still in the race by the time appointment discussion comes up. An opportunity for Cruz to throw his trademark tantrum where everyone else (including conservatives) kind of just roll their eyes and ignore him because by this time he has probably alienated the majority of congress and they have seen his song and dance before.
I for one approve fighting as hard as possible to make the next justice as "moderate" as possible (since they obviously won't be a conservative, if appointed by Obama).
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On February 14 2016 07:48 ticklishmusic wrote:
4th quarter Obama welcomes this opportunity to score another touchdown
I wouldn't surprised for him to pick the most liberal (but squeaky clean) candidate he feels he can get away with, then use the bully pulpit to call out Republican stalling as unprecedented and shameful. He'll pick someone they'll hate but eventually have to approve after having done significant damage to their own reputation.
Trump and Cruz aren't going to play that, and they are the leading contenders for the Republican nomination. Republicans will alienate their base beyond description by accepting anyone Obama would approve of.
If people think Trump is going to concede the news cycles to some boring hearing or some shaming from Obama you must be watching a different election.
Cruz will be in the Senate screaming from the rafters over this no matter what. For as long as the person sits Republicans wouldn't hear the end of it.
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We have 3 ticking time bombs (2 liberal and 1 conservative) who are at least 79 years old. This is a good example of Democrats uniting around the eventual nominee (despite what your personal opinions are of either Bernie or Hillary) to prevent a Republican presidency.
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I will be very sad when the Notorious RBG no longer presides.
Honestly, I didn't expect Scalia to kick the bucket. I mean, he wasn't exactly healthy, but he also didn't look like he was anywhere near death's door.
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Not going to lie.. I laughed. Bad day for him and his family, great day for America.
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obama will nominate a woman again? i am in favor of women in these positions.
jennifer granholm or diane wood mebbe
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Remember everyone there is a Debate tonight. Prepare for a Scalia love fest.
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Can a 8 person court still hear cases?
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Ted "I clerked for the Supreme Court" Cruz will say something along the lines of how it would be disrespectful to Scalia to let a liberal replace him
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On February 14 2016 08:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Can a 8 person court still hear cases?
Yes, everything continues to run the same.
Edit: quoted wrong post.
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Dunno, but given the contentious things to still be decided, like Obamacare stuff and immigration, 4-4s are looking very likely.
The question is whether or not the White House can convince 5-7 Republicans that his nomination is non-liberal enough, otherwise I don't see it happening.
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What probably will happen is what Maddow suggested a Obama cabinet official will probably be nominated.
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