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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 15 2016 02:59 GMT
#54821
"We're not against you"

"You're petulant child"
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 15 2016 03:00 GMT
#54822
Yeah Chris Christie is desperate for air time and hopes for higher polling.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24367 Posts
January 15 2016 03:00 GMT
#54823
It's impressive that they can cram so much cognitive dissonance in just 60 second responses.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
January 15 2016 03:01 GMT
#54824
It's mind-numbing, these arguments. The problem isn't guns, it's people? So Americans are just more violent than the rest of the world, that's why we have more gun violence? That's essentially what Rubio was saying.

And Trump's answer: "if Paris had guns pointing the other way"? WTF does that even mean? Soccer arenas and concert halls should have mounted machine-guns?
Big water
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-15 03:03:29
January 15 2016 03:02 GMT
#54825
On January 15 2016 12:01 Leporello wrote:
It's mind-numbing, these arguments. The problem isn't guns, it's people? So Americans are just more violent than the rest of the world, that's why we have more gun violence? That's essentially what Rubio was saying.

And Trump's answer: "if Paris had guns pointing the other way"? WTF does that even mean? Soccer arenas and concert halls should have mounted machine-guns?

If the Paris terrorists had targeted a concert hall around my area with a similar capacity as the Bataclan, they would be outnumbered roughly 5 to 1 by people with concealed carry licenses.

It took the police 15 minutes to respond to the Bataclan shootings...and the initial response consisted of one armed officer. All of the killings were done prior to the armed response.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 15 2016 03:02 GMT
#54826
Cruz just insulted the the entire Northeast.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
January 15 2016 03:03 GMT
#54827
On January 15 2016 12:02 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 12:01 Leporello wrote:
It's mind-numbing, these arguments. The problem isn't guns, it's people? So Americans are just more violent than the rest of the world, that's why we have more gun violence? That's essentially what Rubio was saying.

And Trump's answer: "if Paris had guns pointing the other way"? WTF does that even mean? Soccer arenas and concert halls should have mounted machine-guns?

If the Paris terrorists had targeted a concert hall around my area with a similar capacity as the Bataclan, they would be outnumbered roughly 5 to 1 by people with concealed carry licenses.

Maybe he thinks everyone will carry a gun if they're allowed to.
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Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
January 15 2016 03:04 GMT
#54828
ok, so that's pretty blatant bullshit. the channel (fox news business) basically sets up cruz as the establishment candidate. it's insane how much air time he gets.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-15 03:05:20
January 15 2016 03:04 GMT
#54829
On January 15 2016 12:03 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 12:02 acker wrote:
On January 15 2016 12:01 Leporello wrote:
It's mind-numbing, these arguments. The problem isn't guns, it's people? So Americans are just more violent than the rest of the world, that's why we have more gun violence? That's essentially what Rubio was saying.

And Trump's answer: "if Paris had guns pointing the other way"? WTF does that even mean? Soccer arenas and concert halls should have mounted machine-guns?

If the Paris terrorists had targeted a concert hall around my area with a similar capacity as the Bataclan, they would be outnumbered roughly 5 to 1 by people with concealed carry licenses.

Maybe he thinks everyone will carry a gun if they're allowed to.

Or enough people. I don't think even the majority of off-duty officers can carry guns in France.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 15 2016 03:04 GMT
#54830
On January 15 2016 12:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Cruz just insulted the the entire Northeast.


Trump is ripping him apart for it now, god I love Trump just because I dislike him less than the others <3
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 15 2016 03:05 GMT
#54831
Yeah Cruz knows he stepped in it.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-15 03:05:38
January 15 2016 03:05 GMT
#54832
On January 15 2016 12:04 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 12:03 The_Templar wrote:
On January 15 2016 12:02 acker wrote:
On January 15 2016 12:01 Leporello wrote:
It's mind-numbing, these arguments. The problem isn't guns, it's people? So Americans are just more violent than the rest of the world, that's why we have more gun violence? That's essentially what Rubio was saying.

And Trump's answer: "if Paris had guns pointing the other way"? WTF does that even mean? Soccer arenas and concert halls should have mounted machine-guns?

If the Paris terrorists had targeted a concert hall around my area with a similar capacity as the Bataclan, they would be outnumbered roughly 5 to 1 by people with concealed carry licenses.

Maybe he thinks everyone will carry a gun if they're allowed to.

Or enough people. I don't think even off-duty officers can carry guns in France.


Having random people shoot weapons in a packed concert hall, what could go wrong
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
January 15 2016 03:05 GMT
#54833
wow. trump with the 9/11 line. ripped cruz a new one ^^
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
January 15 2016 03:06 GMT
#54834
There's some kind of sweet irony in Trump saying "that was a very offensive statement"
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Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-15 03:10:39
January 15 2016 03:06 GMT
#54835
On January 15 2016 12:02 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 12:01 Leporello wrote:
It's mind-numbing, these arguments. The problem isn't guns, it's people? So Americans are just more violent than the rest of the world, that's why we have more gun violence? That's essentially what Rubio was saying.

And Trump's answer: "if Paris had guns pointing the other way"? WTF does that even mean? Soccer arenas and concert halls should have mounted machine-guns?

If the Paris terrorists had targeted a concert hall around my area with a similar capacity as the Bataclan, they would be outnumbered roughly 5 to 1 by people with concealed carry licenses.

It took the police 15 minutes to respond to the Bataclan shootings...and the initial response consisted of one armed officer. All of the killings were done prior to the armed response.


I don't believe anywhere in America this is true. You're not allowed to bring guns into sports arenas, and if such an incident occurred in America, I would expect the police to resolve the issue. Someone with a concealed-carry outside the arena isn't going to storm in and save the day.

Look, what happened in Paris could happen anywhere. These fantasies of self-protection and vigilantism are just narratives compared to the fact that we have a large amount of gun-violence.

Why is it so hard to admit that the country that imports and manufactures the most guns, also has the most gun-violence as a rather direct, plain, simple, obvious correlation. The problem with gun-violence isn't mental health, or ISIS, it's guns.
Big water
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
January 15 2016 03:06 GMT
#54836
On January 15 2016 12:05 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 12:04 acker wrote:
On January 15 2016 12:03 The_Templar wrote:
On January 15 2016 12:02 acker wrote:
On January 15 2016 12:01 Leporello wrote:
It's mind-numbing, these arguments. The problem isn't guns, it's people? So Americans are just more violent than the rest of the world, that's why we have more gun violence? That's essentially what Rubio was saying.

And Trump's answer: "if Paris had guns pointing the other way"? WTF does that even mean? Soccer arenas and concert halls should have mounted machine-guns?

If the Paris terrorists had targeted a concert hall around my area with a similar capacity as the Bataclan, they would be outnumbered roughly 5 to 1 by people with concealed carry licenses.

Maybe he thinks everyone will carry a gun if they're allowed to.

Or enough people. I don't think even off-duty officers can carry guns in France.


Having random people shoot weapons in a packed concert hall, what could go wrong


Just aim for the people that look different from you, things'll get sorted out
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
January 15 2016 03:07 GMT
#54837
On January 15 2016 12:05 Nyxisto wrote:

Having random people shoot weapons in a packed concert hall, what could go wrong

Relative to the alternative? Literally nothing.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24367 Posts
January 15 2016 03:07 GMT
#54838
On January 15 2016 12:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:
There's some kind of sweet irony in Trump saying "that was a very offensive statement"


He's taking the GOP playbook and tossing out any semblance of common decency and Republicans are eating it up.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-15 03:11:18
January 15 2016 03:09 GMT
#54839
On January 15 2016 12:06 Leporello wrote:
I don't believe anywhere in America this is true. You're not allowed to bring guns into sports arenas, and if such an incident occurred in America, I would expect the police to resolve the issue. Someone with a concealed-carry outside the arena isn't going to storm in and save the day.

This is not a federal law; state law varies by the region. It's quite legal to carry into concerts depending on your location in the United States.

Hell, you can carry into schools with a permit in most states.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24367 Posts
January 15 2016 03:10 GMT
#54840
On January 15 2016 12:09 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 12:06 Leporello wrote:
I don't believe anywhere in America this is true. You're not allowed to bring guns into sports arenas, and if such an incident occurred in America, I would expect the police to resolve the issue. Someone with a concealed-carry outside the arena isn't going to storm in and save the day.

This is not a federal law. State law varies by the region. It's quite legal to carry into concerts depending on your location in the United States.


The NFL won't let you in any of their stadiums, not sure about the other leagues though.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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